Peace?

[Zam-Zam]

Sounds like perhaps things aren't going as planned, and Joe is looking for an exit strategy:

U.S., European officials broach topic of peace negotiations with Ukraine, sources say
The conversations have included very broad outlines of what Ukraine might need to give up to reach a deal with Russia.


WASHINGTON — U.S. and European officials have begun quietly talking to the Ukrainian government about what possible peace negotiations with Russia might entail to end the war, according to one current senior U.S. official and one former senior U.S. official familiar with the discussions.

The conversations have included very broad outlines of what Ukraine might need to give up to reach a deal, the officials said. Some of the talks, which officials described as delicate, took place last month during a meeting of representatives from more than 50 nations supporting Ukraine, including NATO members, known as the Ukraine Defense Contact Group, the officials said.


The discussions are an acknowledgment of the dynamics militarily on the ground in Ukraine and politically in the U.S. and Europe, officials said.

They began amid concerns among U.S. and European officials that the war has reached a stalemate and about the ability to continue providing aid to Ukraine, officials said. Biden administration officials also are worried that Ukraine is running out of forces, while Russia has a seemingly endless supply, officials said. Ukraine is also struggling with recruiting and has recently seen public protests about some of President Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s open-ended conscription requirements.


Complete text: U.S., European officials broach topic of peace negotiations with Ukraine, sources say (nbcnews.com)


I wonder how our ally Ukraine feels about this.

I wonder if it matters.

 

[Raoul_Luke]

I don't know...probably duped. They bought the neocon siren song and now it is becoming obvious they were lying to Ukraine when they told them they could win (with our help). Now their country is "wrecked" and we're telling them to settle by giving Russia what they requested before the war. It is incredibly sad that Ukraine was sacrificed, by NATO, on the MIC's alter of perpetual war.

It's simple mathematics, as I have been pointing out from the beginning. Ukraine was never going to if NATO didn't join the effort. At the very least by imposing a "no-fly" zone, if not "boots on the ground." I'm not happy about being 100% correct about this war, but I'm not ashamed of it either. Being a realist requires one to check their feelings at the door on the way in. The left felt bad for Ukraine and really really wanted them to win, so they ignored the real in favor of the "Ukraine is winning" narrative pushed 24/7/365 by the establishment media. Just one more thing they could not have been more wrong about. Yet they keep denigrating my news sources which had this nailed from the get go...

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

Sounds like perhaps things aren't going as planned, and Joe is looking for an exit strategy:

U.S., European officials broach topic of peace negotiations with Ukraine, sources say
The conversations have included very broad outlines of what Ukraine might need to give up to reach a deal with Russia.


WASHINGTON — U.S. and European officials have begun quietly talking to the Ukrainian government about what possible peace negotiations with Russia might entail to end the war, according to one current senior U.S. official and one former senior U.S. official familiar with the discussions.

The conversations have included very broad outlines of what Ukraine might need to give up to reach a deal, the officials said. Some of the talks, which officials described as delicate, took place last month during a meeting of representatives from more than 50 nations supporting Ukraine, including NATO members, known as the Ukraine Defense Contact Group, the officials said.


The discussions are an acknowledgment of the dynamics militarily on the ground in Ukraine and politically in the U.S. and Europe, officials said.

They began amid concerns among U.S. and European officials that the war has reached a stalemate and about the ability to continue providing aid to Ukraine, officials said. Biden administration officials also are worried that Ukraine is running out of forces, while Russia has a seemingly endless supply, officials said. Ukraine is also struggling with recruiting and has recently seen public protests about some of President Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s open-ended conscription requirements.


Complete text: U.S., European officials broach topic of peace negotiations with Ukraine, sources say (nbcnews.com)


I wonder how our ally Ukraine feels about this.

I wonder if it matters.

There’s not much choice. The Trump cult that controls the House is poised to cut off the Ukraine funding, throwing Ukraine to the Russian wolves.

 

[Sickofleft]

Sounds like perhaps things aren't going as planned, and Joe is looking for an exit strategy:

U.S., European officials broach topic of peace negotiations with Ukraine, sources say
The conversations have included very broad outlines of what Ukraine might need to give up to reach a deal with Russia.


WASHINGTON — U.S. and European officials have begun quietly talking to the Ukrainian government about what possible peace negotiations with Russia might entail to end the war, according to one current senior U.S. official and one former senior U.S. official familiar with the discussions.

The conversations have included very broad outlines of what Ukraine might need to give up to reach a deal, the officials said. Some of the talks, which officials described as delicate, took place last month during a meeting of representatives from more than 50 nations supporting Ukraine, including NATO members, known as the Ukraine Defense Contact Group, the officials said.


The discussions are an acknowledgment of the dynamics militarily on the ground in Ukraine and politically in the U.S. and Europe, officials said.

They began amid concerns among U.S. and European officials that the war has reached a stalemate and about the ability to continue providing aid to Ukraine, officials said. Biden administration officials also are worried that Ukraine is running out of forces, while Russia has a seemingly endless supply, officials said. Ukraine is also struggling with recruiting and has recently seen public protests about some of President Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s open-ended conscription requirements.


Complete text: U.S., European officials broach topic of peace negotiations with Ukraine, sources say (nbcnews.com)


I wonder how our ally Ukraine feels about this.

I wonder if it matters.

They should have moved to do this well over a year ago it would have saved thousands of lives.

Absent NATO troops the idea that Russia was going to lose this war was insane.

 

[as seen on tv]

Sounds like perhaps things aren't going as planned, and Joe is looking for an exit strategy:

U.S., European officials broach topic of peace negotiations with Ukraine, sources say
The conversations have included very broad outlines of what Ukraine might need to give up to reach a deal with Russia.


WASHINGTON — U.S. and European officials have begun quietly talking to the Ukrainian government about what possible peace negotiations with Russia might entail to end the war, according to one current senior U.S. official and one former senior U.S. official familiar with the discussions.

The conversations have included very broad outlines of what Ukraine might need to give up to reach a deal, the officials said. Some of the talks, which officials described as delicate, took place last month during a meeting of representatives from more than 50 nations supporting Ukraine, including NATO members, known as the Ukraine Defense Contact Group, the officials said.


The discussions are an acknowledgment of the dynamics militarily on the ground in Ukraine and politically in the U.S. and Europe, officials said.

They began amid concerns among U.S. and European officials that the war has reached a stalemate and about the ability to continue providing aid to Ukraine, officials said. Biden administration officials also are worried that Ukraine is running out of forces, while Russia has a seemingly endless supply, officials said. Ukraine is also struggling with recruiting and has recently seen public protests about some of President Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s open-ended conscription requirements.


Complete text: U.S., European officials broach topic of peace negotiations with Ukraine, sources say (nbcnews.com)


I wonder how our ally Ukraine feels about this.

I wonder if it matters.

Generally when a dictator or terrorist group asks for negotiations, its just to buy time to re-arm . .

 

[Zam-Zam]

Generally when a dictator or terrorist group asks for negotiations, its just to buy time to re-arm . .

As I read the NBC peace, it seems that Putin is not the one eager to negotiate:

The Biden administration does not have any indication that Russian President Vladimir Putin is ready to negotiate with Ukraine, two U.S. officials said. Western officials say Putin still believes he can “wait out the West,” or keep fighting until the U.S. and its allies lose domestic support for funding Ukraine or the struggle to supply Kyiv with weapons and ammunition becomes too costly, officials said.