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"Peak Stuff"...

Craig

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I've commented on this previously, although not with such a pithy phrase. Our society is largely consumer based. But what happens when most consumers have everything they need...and even everything they want? What then will drive the consumer society?

The vast amount of transactions will involve needs based objects. Food, of course, always a good bet. Limited clothing. Energy. Sure...it's fairly cheap right now...but it remains a need. One thing is certain...I don't need a damn thing from IKEA...:cool:

“If we look on a global basis, in the west we have probably hit peak stuff. We talk about peak oil. I’d say we’ve hit peak red meat, peak sugar, peak stuff … peak home furnishings,” Steve Howard said at a Guardian Sustainable Business debate. He said the new state of affairs could be called “peak curtains”...

http://www.theguardian.com/business...k-home-furnishings-says-ikea-boss-consumerism
 
What happens when people have everything they need? Never happen something will always be created deemed better than what you have. Want or the lack of having is the driving force for everything. I have plenty of guns more than enough but I always find one that I want and always will.
 
I've commented on this previously, although not with such a pithy phrase. Our society is largely consumer based. But what happens when most consumers have everything they need...and even everything they want? What then will drive the consumer society?

The vast amount of transactions will involve needs based objects. Food, of course, always a good bet. Limited clothing. Energy. Sure...it's fairly cheap right now...but it remains a need. One thing is certain...I don't need a damn thing from IKEA...:cool:

“If we look on a global basis, in the west we have probably hit peak stuff. We talk about peak oil. I’d say we’ve hit peak red meat, peak sugar, peak stuff … peak home furnishings,” Steve Howard said at a Guardian Sustainable Business debate. He said the new state of affairs could be called “peak curtains”...

http://www.theguardian.com/business...k-home-furnishings-says-ikea-boss-consumerism
what are you? like 80 years old?

you sound like my grandmother. she poo-poohed, laptops, cell phones, HD TV (most of the shows I watch are in black and white anyway!), microwave ovens . . .

or how about this hilarious quote from "the experts"?

"Everything that can be Invented has been Invented" (head of the US patent office, 1899) http://patentlyo.com/patent/2011/01...g-that-can-be-invented-has-been-invented.html

this a twofer - not only does it demonstrate the ever present "luddite" impulse in some people, but he was a government bureaucrat to boot.
 
Some people think they MUST have all the new gadgets that come out every month. Just bought a new I-phone 3 months ago (BD)? Well we have a new improved one for you! For me, I'll wait until the prices come down before I even consider purchasing something. And I've gotten really good at talking myself out of things that I really don't need. My husband on the other hand isn't that good about it. Like Constitutional Sheepdog....he has several guns/rifles, but if he sees a deal on one he thinks he has to have it! Same with knives...he probably owns about 200 of them (mostly bone handle) and he continues to collect them.
 
I've commented on this previously, although not with such a pithy phrase. Our society is largely consumer based. But what happens when most consumers have everything they need...and even everything they want? What then will drive the consumer society?

The vast amount of transactions will involve needs based objects. Food, of course, always a good bet. Limited clothing. Energy. Sure...it's fairly cheap right now...but it remains a need. One thing is certain...I don't need a damn thing from IKEA...:cool:

“If we look on a global basis, in the west we have probably hit peak stuff. We talk about peak oil. I’d say we’ve hit peak red meat, peak sugar, peak stuff … peak home furnishings,” Steve Howard said at a Guardian Sustainable Business debate. He said the new state of affairs could be called “peak curtains”...

http://www.theguardian.com/business...k-home-furnishings-says-ikea-boss-consumerism
I think it's cultural, rather than a question of people having enough stuff. If you'd shown someone from the 1930s what the average family from the 1970s would already have, I'm sure they would have expected the family from the 1970s would be content and not particularly interested in acquiring more stuff. After all, by the 1970s most families were living in homes that made those of an average 1930s family look like hovels. Most had cars, too, and sometimes two of them. They had multiple color TVs. There was at least one telephone in every house -- and not party lines, either: everyone had the luxury of a private line just for their family. Even middle-class families had refrigerators instead of ice boxes, and they had washing machines and dishwashers, and so on. And the closets of someone from the 1970s would be packed with more outfits than a 1930s family could imagine you ever needing. Surely, from the perspective of a 1930s family, those 1970s families were poised to step their consumption way back, because they already had just about everything a person could want.

Yet, as we know, the 1980s ended up being a time of increased consumption. People found they just had to have a bunch of products that either didn't exist or were an extreme luxury or novelty in prior eras -- personal computers, pagers, cordless phones, CD players, video game systems, VCRs, cable TV, third cars, Jacuzzi tubs, microwave ovens, and on and on.

The irony here is that right-wing policies "broke" the culture, from a right-wing perspective. The government austerity they imposed resulted in sustained high unemployment, especially for young people, and it broke people of the habit of thinking in terms of keeping up with the Joneses. The conservative policies unintentionally trained people to think about success in non-material terms, such that a person could be living unemployed in her parent's basement and still think of herself as very successful based on her twitter follower count, how popular her crafts are on pinterest, and how cheaply she manages to get by using extreme couponing. We're not all rushing out to buy 3D printers, home-automation tech, 4000 square foot houses, VR gaming suites, and whatever else the next big consumer craze might be. We went long enough with a depressed economy that the culture changed in a way that's less favorable for the producers of consumer products. The conservative policies made the rat race so depressing for everyone except the ultra-rich, that a lot of people stopped even trying. In a way, they made our culture more European -- in that Europe long had a less materialistic culture forged in part by sustained high unemployment among youths. Basically, the ultra-rich killed the golden goose.
 
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what are you? like 80 years old?

you sound like my grandmother. she poo-poohed, laptops, cell phones, HD TV (most of the shows I watch are in black and white anyway!), microwave ovens . . .

or how about this hilarious quote from "the experts"?

"Everything that can be Invented has been Invented" (head of the US patent office, 1899) http://patentlyo.com/patent/2011/01...g-that-can-be-invented-has-been-invented.html

this a twofer - not only does it demonstrate the ever present "luddite" impulse in some people, but he was a government bureaucrat to boot.

How old is the IKEA boss?
 
Some people think they MUST have all the new gadgets that come out every month. Just bought a new I-phone 3 months ago (BD)? Well we have a new improved one for you! For me, I'll wait until the prices come down before I even consider purchasing something. And I've gotten really good at talking myself out of things that I really don't need. My husband on the other hand isn't that good about it. Like Constitutional Sheepdog....he has several guns/rifles, but if he sees a deal on one he thinks he has to have it! Same with knives...he probably owns about 200 of them (mostly bone handle) and he continues to collect them.
Actually I have about 150 different knives I carry at least three KA Bar for the heavy work digging cutting metal and wire, if I need to hit something Karshaw if I need to make fine cut's and a garbage knife if I don't care what happens to the knife.
 
Actually I have about 150 different knives I carry at least three KA Bar for the heavy work digging cutting metal and wire, if I need to hit something Karshaw if I need to make fine cut's and a garbage knife if I don't care what happens to the knife.
I keep a KA Bar in my car and bring it when I'm camping, too. Really solid knife. I also have a kershaw folding knife. I'm not a collector, though. Between those two, a filet knife for fishing, and the knife I have in my "Leatherman," I feel like I'm set on the knife front (other than the various kitchen knives we have).
 
I've commented on this previously, although not with such a pithy phrase. Our society is largely consumer based. But what happens when most consumers have everything they need...and even everything they want? What then will drive the consumer society?

The vast amount of transactions will involve needs based objects. Food, of course, always a good bet. Limited clothing. Energy. Sure...it's fairly cheap right now...but it remains a need. One thing is certain...I don't need a damn thing from IKEA...:cool:

“If we look on a global basis, in the west we have probably hit peak stuff. We talk about peak oil. I’d say we’ve hit peak red meat, peak sugar, peak stuff … peak home furnishings,” Steve Howard said at a Guardian Sustainable Business debate. He said the new state of affairs could be called “peak curtains”...

http://www.theguardian.com/business...k-home-furnishings-says-ikea-boss-consumerism

Maybe thats when we need to sell all the stuff we all now have to lesser nations that don't have all the stuff they want yet?

Maybe.
 
Maybe thats when we need to sell all the stuff we all now have to lesser nations that don't have all the stuff they want yet?

Maybe.

It's part of the process today...

Surplus:

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I keep a KA Bar in my car and bring it when I'm camping, too. Really solid knife. I also have a kershaw folding knife. I'm not a collector, though. Between those two, a filet knife for fishing, and the knife I have in my "Leatherman," I feel like I'm set on the knife front (other than the various kitchen knives we have).
Is your KA-Bar stamped Clean, N.Y.? Typo meant to say Olean, N.Y.
 
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There's two (plus) billion potentially acquisitive middle class people just in China and India. There's some deflationary pain between here and there but new growth in consumption is coming. The question is, will the west have any businesses left that can supply it? Not if the progressives win the political war...
 
I'm not sure. I didn't notice any stamp.
The reason I asked a KA-Bar will have that stamped on it. a knockoff off brand will not. I know a few people who think they bought a KA-Bar paid the KA-Bar price to find out it was a knock off. But you said that you used it for camping and it works for what you need it for.
 
There's two (plus) billion potentially acquisitive middle class people just in China and India. There's some deflationary pain between here and there but new growth in consumption is coming. The question is, will the west have any businesses left that can supply it? Not if the progressives win the political war...

Yes, Johnny One Note...

“If we look on a global basis, in the west...
 
The reason I asked a KA-Bar will have that stamped on it. a knockoff off brand will not. I know a few people who think they bought a KA-Bar paid the KA-Bar price to find out it was a knock off. But you said that you used it for camping and it works for what you need it for.
I got it through Amazon, and the customer reviews are good, which seems unlikely if people had picked upon the fact it was a knock-off:

http://www.amazon.com/KA-BAR-Fighti...ie=UTF8&qid=1453478658&sr=8-2&keywords=ka+bar
 
Yes, Johnny One Note...

“If we look on a global basis, in the west...

Yes, it was simply crypto hand wringing over the economic decline brought about by the progressive anti-capitalist agenda. Why worry about it? We can just print our way to prosperity...
 
"we don't need any more stuff" is straight out of the playbook of the American socialist/anarchist manifesto.

they want to destroy free markets, replace national democracy with "world government by unelected officials", everyone should live in a yurt, ride a bicycle, and only buy food produced in their own community.

these are the same people who have iPhones, covet $10,000 Italian 10 speed bicycles, smoke out of state weed, and think starbucks is destroying the planet.

I blame America's failing pubic schools for this sort of disconnect
 
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