People really are stupid, some comments I have read!

[IndependentinWis]

Statement 1: Even if Obama was born in Hawaii he can't be president as Hawaii isn't attached to the mainland of North America and thus he wan't born in America.

Statement 2: Even if Ted Cruz was born in Canada he can still be president. Cananda isn't really "foriegn soil" as it is part of North America.

Those are two of the stupidest statements I have ever read. Because at least one of their parents are American, both Obama and Cruz are both eligible to be president period.

 

[Corruptbuddha]

Statement 1: Even if Obama was born in Hawaii he can't be president as Hawaii isn't attached to the mainland of North America and thus he wan't born in America.

Statement 2: Even if Ted Cruz was born in Canada he can still be president. Cananda isn't really "foriegn soil" as it is part of North America.

Those are two of the stupidest statements I have ever read. Because at least one of their parents are American, both Obama and Cruz are both eligible to be president period.

Hmm....I tend to think Natural Born means born in the country. Thus Nerobama was eligible and Cruz is not.

 

[Wahbooz]

Hmm....I tend to think Natural Born means born in the country. Thus Nerobama was eligible and Cruz is not.

The weight of legal and historical authority indicates that the term "natural born" citizen would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship "by birth" or "at birth", either by being born "in" the United States and under its jurisdiction, even those born to alien parents; by being born abroad to U.S. citizen-parents; or by being born in other situations meeting legal requirements for U.S. citizenship "at birth". Such term, however, would not include a person who was not a U.S. citizen by birth or at birth, and who was thus born an "alien" required to go through the legal process of "naturalization" to become a U.S. citizen.[1] (Congressional Research Report)

 

[Jen]

Hmm....I tend to think Natural Born means born in the country. Thus Nerobama was eligible and Cruz is not.

If that is the case, then McCain was not eligible either. He was born in Panama.

 

[Friday13]

The weight of legal and historical authority indicates that the term "natural born" citizen would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship "by birth" or "at birth", either by being born "in" the United States and under its jurisdiction, even those born to alien parents; by being born abroad to U.S. citizen-parents; or by being born in other situations meeting legal requirements for U.S. citizenship "at birth". Such term, however, would not include a person who was not a U.S. citizen by birth or at birth, and who was thus born an "alien" required to go through the legal process of "naturalization" to become a U.S. citizen.[1] (Congressional Research Report)

When McCain's "natural born status" was questioned (he was born in PCZ when those born there were not given citizenship) a bill was sponsored by Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton to declare him "natural born". Too bad the RWNJs won't give the same consideration to Obama, who is "natural born" having been born in HI.

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2008/05/01/clinton-obama-sponsor-mccain-citizenship-bill/

 

[Zoar]

Republicans would have run Arnold Schwartneiger if they could. If he decides to run the Repugs will say "Well if it was okay for Obama it is okay for Arnold", in their crazy right wing pretzel logic brains.

 

[Boca]

Hmm....I tend to think Natural Born means born in the country. Thus Nerobama was eligible and Cruz is not.

As dual citizens at birth, neither Cruz (Canadian) or Obama (British) are eligible to be President in that neither are natural born citizens.

Couldn't be simpler.

While the Constituion may not strictly define natural born citizenship, in 1875 the Supreme Court was unambiguous in it's opinion re: the case of Minor vs. Happersett....

At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens [that means both] became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also.
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To have it otherwise would mean that any child sired by Vlaimir Putin, Hugo Chavez, or Mao Tsung ( to name a few ), of an American woman on American soil would be eligible. Not a desirable outcome for one who would become Commander-in-Chief.

Couldn't be simpler.

Strict definition or not, the Constitution itself clearly differentiates between "citizen" and "natural born citizen"....

Article 2, Section 1

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
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The operative phrase being "OR a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution."

Two clauses, two meanings.

Couldn't be simpler.

The reason for the distinction? George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, and on down the line for 35 years, were British citizens.

 

[Renee]

Then there are people like Carol who say"I believe he was born in Hawaii but why does he show us false birth certificates?"

 

[Caroljo]

Then there are people like Carol who say"I believe he was born in Hawaii but why does he show us false birth certificates?"

Well?? All I've ever heard is the ones he's shown are fake. I don't know how to tell....but like I also said, I really don't care!

 

[middleview]

Hmm....I tend to think Natural Born means born in the country. Thus Nerobama was eligible and Cruz is not.

That would mean children born in another country due to their parents being stationed there as active duty military or members of the state department or just traveling and the baby is premature. What would be the logic of making those children ineligible to be president?

 

[middleview]

As dual citizens at birth, neither Cruz (Canadian) or Obama (British) are eligible to be President in that neither are natural born citizens.

Couldn't be simpler.

While the Constituion may not strictly define natural born citizenship, in 1875 the Supreme Court was unambiguous in it's opinion re: the case of Minor vs. Happersett....

At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens [that means both] became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also.
​

To have it otherwise would mean that any child sired by Vlaimir Putin, Hugo Chavez, or Mao Tsung ( to name a few ), of an American woman on American soil would be eligible. Not a desirable outcome for one who would become Commander-in-Chief.

Couldn't be simpler.

Strict definition or not, the Constitution itself clearly differentiates between "citizen" and "natural born citizen"....

Article 2, Section 1

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
​

The operative phrase being "OR a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution."

Two clauses, two meanings.

Couldn't be simpler.

The reason for the distinction? George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, and on down the line for 35 years, were British citizens.

1. Based on what passes for logic coming from you a number of presidents were illegal.
2. That the plural "citizens" was used is not specific enough to exclude a child who had one parent who was not a citizen. If the son of Timothy McVeigh or David Duke could be president, why are you so worried about the son of some foreigner whose politics you don't like?
3. Dual citizenship requires that the child at some time as an adult must affirm that citizenship. Neither Obama nor Cruz did that. It means nothing in terms of loyalty or ability to take the oath of office.

You are the one who couldn't be simpler....

 

[Sickofleft]

I think it's funny people are still talking about this at all. Anything to divert the attention from a failed Presidency that we are now stuck with.

 

[Boca]

I previously explained why the birth certificate was a not an issue in another thread which I have copied and pasted here:

In the United States, the right of national citizenship is defined by federal law; which legislative authority, under the Constitution, resides in Congress. In the 1950's, the Congress enacted 8 U.S.C. § 1401, et seq. defining nationals and citizens of the United States at birth.

Nothing in 8 USC § 1401 defines natural born citizen. Nor does it amend Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution which still reads...

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.​

No one is saying Obama isn't a US citizen, and, for purposes of his eligibity, he wasn't a US citizen when the Constitution was adopted.

Therefore you previously explained nothing!

 

[middleview]

I think it's funny people are still talking about this at all. Anything to divert the attention from a failed Presidency that we are now stuck with.

We certainly would love to hear what your definition of failed is. Are we better off now than we were in the last couple of years of Bush's White House? Yes.

 

[Boca]

No, that's not correct. The rights of citizenship, like all rights, are defined by law. Congress has spoken on the issue, and that's the law of the land.

What's not correct? Can you not read?

Congress can speak on any damn thing it wants to, but if they want to amend the Constitution, specifically Article 2, Section 1, they better get busy!

 

[Sickofleft]

We certainly would love to hear what your definition of failed is. Are we better off now than we were in the last couple of years of Bush's White House? Yes.

My definition of failed, this Presidency which has been 5 years of nothing.

 

[middleview]

My definition of failed, this Presidency which has been 5 years of nothing.

That all you got?

Are we losing the same number of jobs per month today as we were in December of 2008?

Do we still have thousands of troops in Iraq?

Did GM and Chrysler disappear?

 

[IndependentinWis]

My definition of failed, this Presidency which has been 5 years of nothing.

I think more than the President, the GOP members of the House have failed and their poll numbers show how much they have failed. Their desire to make sure that Obama is seen as a failed presidency has caused the slow recovery we are now enduring. They have stated straight out that they will kill any bill suggested by the President or the Dems, even ones that they have sponsored in the past. They don't seem to care about the nation as long as they can stick it to this president.

 

[bdtex]

Statement 1: Even if Obama was born in Hawaii he can't be president as Hawaii isn't attached to the mainland of North America and thus he wan't born in America.

Statement 2: Even if Ted Cruz was born in Canada he can still be president. Cananda isn't really "foriegn soil" as it is part of North America.

Those are two of the stupidest statements I have ever read. Because at least one of their parents are American, both Obama and Cruz are both eligible to be president period.

Low information Republican "birthers". Trump and Taitz are their heroes.

 

[JackDallas]

Statement 1: Even if Obama was born in Hawaii he can't be president as Hawaii isn't attached to the mainland of North America and thus he wan't born in America.

Statement 2: Even if Ted Cruz was born in Canada he can still be president. Cananda isn't really "foriegn soil" as it is part of North America.

Those are two of the stupidest statements I have ever read. Because at least one of their parents are American, both Obama and Cruz are both eligible to be president period.

I hadn't heard any of that until you made it up.