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Philosophical Differences

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In contrast to the America of the founders, "One Nation under God..", who sensed deeply that their endeavor would inevitably founder and fail without some outside intervention.

http://johnmalcolm.me/2012/08/12/ou...pher-john-locke-in-announcement-speech-video/

http://weaselzippers.us/2012/08/11/...you-have-a-small-business-you-did-build-that/

But the Democrats only supply this while claiming to speak for the poor and downtrodden.

http://weaselzippers.us/2012/08/12/...od-fundraiser-at-pop-star-gwen-stefanis-home/

http://weaselzippers.us/2012/08/11/obama-islam-is-part-of-our-national-story/

http://weaselzippers.us/2012/08/11/...merican-patriot-during-ramadan-dinner-speech/

But of course there's more to Huma's story than Barack would care to admit publicly:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/...campaign=Feed:+BreitbartFeed+(Breitbart+Feed)

Then there's the David Brock, Barney Frank wing of the Democratic Party.
 
In contrast to the America of the founders, "One Nation under God..", who sensed deeply that their endeavor would inevitably founder and fail without some outside intervention.

Which founders were responsible for the phrase "One Nation, Under God"?
 
LeRoy: Did you build the roads that let customers get to your business? Did you build the schools that educated your workers?

Because that, you know, was what President Obama was talking about. He was saying nothing more surprising or radical than the very old observation: No man is an island.

Call that 'socialism' if you want. It just makes you sound stupid. It may be that you're used to that, by now.

Yes. I helped pay for it.

I do find it funny how the NAZI left worships govt because it "Builds roads". Hitler built roads. Hell, even Atilla the Hun built roads, but am I suppose to bow down and worship him?
 
Yes. I helped pay for it.

I do find it funny how the NAZI left worships govt because it "Builds roads". Hitler built roads. Hell, even Atilla the Hun built roads, but am I suppose to bow down and worship him?

No....be an "individualist"....and stop using "the State's" roads. :)
 
Only an exceedingly simple-minded person could think that a prosperous business was somehow built in a vacuum by a single proprietor. Prosperous businesses are only possible within a context of sound government investment. The obvious examples are the roads and electrical grids they rely on. There's also the policing and the national defense, without which some criminal or foreign government could swoop in and take whatever prosperity was generated. And there's the educated workforce, largely thanks to tax-payer-financed schooling of the public. There are also the foreign markets that have been opened to US products by government negotiation. And so on. Obama realizes that. Notwithstanding his rhetoric, so does Romney. Neither is enough of an imbecile to think that people build their own businesses all by themselves. The only serious question is how best to facilitate the creation of prosperity -- where the optimal balance is: where government best sets the stage without interfering too much.
 
No....be an "individualist"....and stop using "the State's" roads. :)

They are public roads, paid for by the public. Your god govt couldn't build a dirt hole without confiscating funds from the public first. And even with the confiscated funds, it will take your god govt 5 years and millions over budget to build a dirt hole.
 
They seem to be good at phrases, not so good at history.

American history is not one of the NAZI lefts strongest subjects.

George Washington
1st U.S. President

"While we are zealously performing the duties of good citizens and soldiers, we certainly ought not to be inattentive to the higher duties of religion. To the distinguished character of Patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian."
--The Writings of Washington, pp. 342-343.

John Adams
2nd U.S. President and Signer of the Declaration of Independence

"Suppose a nation in some distant Region should take the Bible for their only law Book, and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there exhibited! Every member would be obliged in conscience, to temperance, frugality, and industry; to justice, kindness, and charity towards his fellow men; and to piety, love, and reverence toward Almighty God ... What a Eutopia, what a Paradise would this region be."
--Diary and Autobiography of John Adams, Vol. III, p. 9.

"The general principles, on which the Fathers achieved independence, were the only Principles in which that beautiful Assembly of young Gentlemen could Unite, and these Principles only could be intended by them in their address, or by me in my answer. And what were these general Principles? I answer, the general Principles of Christianity, in which all these Sects were United: And the general Principles of English and American Liberty, in which all those young Men United, and which had United all Parties in America, in Majorities sufficient to assert and maintain her Independence.

"Now I will avow, that I then believe, and now believe, that those general Principles of Christianity, are as eternal and immutable, as the Existence and Attributes of God; and that those Principles of Liberty, are as unalterable as human Nature and our terrestrial, mundane System."
--Adams wrote this on June 28, 1813, excerpt from a letter to Thomas Jefferson.

"The second day of July, 1776, will be the most memorable epoch in the history of America. I am apt to believe that it will be celebrated by succeeding generations as the great anniversary Festival. It ought to be commemorated, as the Day of Deliverance, by solemn acts of devotion to God Almighty. It ought to be solemnized with pomp and parade, with shows, games, sports, guns, bells, bonfires and illuminations, from one end of this continent to the other, from this time forward forever."
--Adams wrote this in a letter to his wife, Abigail, on July 3, 1776.

Thomas Jefferson
3rd U.S. President, Drafter and Signer of the Declaration of Independence

"God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the Gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever; That a revolution of the wheel of fortune, a change of situation, is among possible events; that it may become probable by Supernatural influence! The Almighty has no attribute which can take side with us in that event."
--Notes on the State of Virginia, Query XVIII, p. 237.

"I am a real Christian – that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ."
--The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, p. 385.

John Hancock
1st Signer of the Declaration of Independence

"Resistance to tyranny becomes the Christian and social duty of each individual. ... Continue steadfast and, with a proper sense of your dependence on God, nobly defend those rights which heaven gave, and no man ought to take from us."
--History of the United States of America, Vol. II, p. 229.

Benjamin Franklin
Signer of the Declaration of Independence and Unites States Constitution

"Here is my Creed. I believe in one God, the Creator of the Universe. That He governs it by His Providence. That He ought to be worshipped.

"That the most acceptable service we render to him is in doing good to his other children. That the soul of man is immortal, and will be treated with justice in another life respecting its conduct in this. These I take to be the fundamental points in all sound religion, and I regard them as you do in whatever sect I meet with them.

"As to Jesus of Nazareth, my opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the system of morals and his religion, as he left them to us, is the best the world ever saw, or is likely to see;

"But I apprehend it has received various corrupting changes, and I have, with most of the present dissenters in England, some doubts as to his divinity; though it is a question I do not dogmatize upon, having never studied it, and think it needless to busy myself with it now, when I expect soon an opportunity of knowing the truth with less trouble. I see no harm, however, in its being believed, if that belief has the good consequence, as probably it has, of making his doctrines more respected and more observed; especially as I do not perceive, that the Supreme takes it amiss, by distinguishing the unbelievers in his government of the world with any peculiar marks of his displeasure."
--Benjamin Franklin wrote this in a letter to Ezra Stiles, President of Yale University on March 9, 1790.

Go to Page 2: Christian Quotes of the Founding Fathers
 
They are public roads, paid for by the public. Your god govt couldn't build a dirt hole without confiscating funds from the public first. And even with the confiscated funds, it will take your god govt 5 years and millions over budget to build a dirt hole.

So...you then would prefer private roads? Built by business for their purposes only? Can you point to a model for your non governmental roads concept?

Do you have a vote? Do you have a representative in the House?
 
American history is not one of the NAZI lefts strongest subjects.

So....no founder is responsible for the phrase, One Nation, Under God...I wasn't interested, nor did I ask for quotes regarding Christianity. I asked, quite specifically, which founder was responsible for the phrase you used. The answer is none.

Thanks.
 
So...you then would prefer private roads? Built by business for their purposes only? Can you point to a model for your non governmental roads concept?

Do you have a vote? Do you have a representative in the House?

Golden State Bridge/Brooklyn Bridge were built with private money. Not to mention your global banker run federal govt, contributes less than 2% of its confiscated funds for "roads". As if building roads was a god like miracle from govt.

Just remember, your god govt couldn't dig a dirt hole unless they first confiscate funds from the public who can pay the interest on the financing.
 
But you do seem to be a tea partier turned Mittbot who swallows anything that comes out of the vast right-wing propoganda machine hook, line, and sinker. The philosophy that comes out of the vast right-wing propoganda machine ain't much of a philosophy and is big on assertion and short on evidence.

At least I am not drinking the Obama Kool Aid and trying to justify the words and actions of a failed president.
 
Golden State Bridge/Brooklyn Bridge were built with private money. Not to mention your global banker run federal govt, contributes less than 2% of its confiscated funds for "roads". As if building roads was a god like miracle from govt.

Just remember, your god govt couldn't dig a dirt hole unless they first confiscate funds from the public who can pay the interest on the financing.

Golden State Bridge? Mean Golden Gate? No...it was funded through a taxing district passed by the legislature in 1928. Bond measures also helped.
 
So....no founder is responsible for the phrase, One Nation, Under God...I wasn't interested, nor did I ask for quotes regarding Christianity. I asked, quite specifically, which founder was responsible for the phrase you used. The answer is none.

Thanks.

While there may not be a exact quote from the founders, "One Nation Under God" there is no denying our founders were devout Christians

I'm sure our One Nation, Under Global Banker Occupation.. Is much more preferable than being under a Christian god. At least to the NAZI left.

The general principles, on which the Fathers achieved independence, were the only Principles in which that beautiful Assembly of young Gentlemen could Unite, and these Principles only could be intended by them in their address, or by me in my answer. And what were these general Principles? I answer, the general Principles of Christianity, in which all these Sects were United: And the general Principles of English and American Liberty, in which all those young Men United, and which had United all Parties in America, in Majorities sufficient to assert and maintain her Independence.

--Diary and Autobiography of John Adams, Vol. III, p. 9.
 
Golden State Bridge/Brooklyn Bridge were built with private money. Not to mention your global banker run federal govt, contributes less than 2% of its confiscated funds for "roads". As if building roads was a god like miracle from govt.

Just remember, your god govt couldn't dig a dirt hole unless they first confiscate funds from the public who can pay the interest on the financing.

Seems you're incorrect regarding the Brooklyn Bridge as well...

Brooklyn Bridge Timelineawww.pbs.org_kenburns_brooklynbridge_timeline_images_spacer.gifContemporary Events
1866:
New York state legislature passes legislation for construction of New York-Brooklyn Bridge
awww.pbs.org_kenburns_brooklynbridge_timeline_images_spacer.gifTreaty of Vienna ends Austro-Italian War; Fyodor Dostoevsky, "Crime and Punishment"; Alfred Nobel invents dynamite.

1867:
New York Bridge Company incorporated; John Roebling presents design for 1,600-foot bridge across East River; Roebling appointed engineer.
awww.pbs.org_kenburns_brooklynbridge_timeline_images_spacer.gifRussia sells Alaska to United States; Karl Marx, "Das Kapital, Part I"; Johann Strauss composes "The Blue Danube"; chemist Marie Curie born.

1868-1869:
Common Council appropriates $1.5 million for construction costs; As site surveys near completion, Roebling injured in freak accident, dies of tetanus 17 days later; son Washington Roebling becomes project engineer; President Grant signs bill approving bridge plan.
awww.pbs.org_kenburns_brooklynbridge_timeline_images_spacer.gifU.S. President Andrew Johnson impeached, acquitted by Senate; Ulysses S. Grant wins presidential election; Suez Canal opens; Mark Twain, "The Innocents Abroad"; Frank Lloyd Wright born; First Vatican Council advocates definition of papal infallibility.






http://www.pbs.org/kenburns/brooklynbridge/timeline/
 
While there may not be a exact quote from the founders, "One Nation Under God" there is no denying our founders were devout Christians

I'm sure our One Nation, Under Global Banker Occupation.. Is much more preferable than being under a Christian god. At least to the NAZI left.

I did not inquire as to the founders beliefs.

You used a specific phrase and you attributed that specific phrase to the "founders".

As we can see...it's nonsense. Some of the founders were devout Christians, others were not. Jefferson is well known for his version of the Bible. I could post plenty of quotes that showed their doubts as well.

None of that means a damn thing in the context of this conversation...and it is merely a distraction.

The phrase is what I am discussing....and it it what you are running from.

I've been told there is but one God...but you now name a "Christian" God. And one who seems very insecure.
 
So....no founder is responsible for the phrase, One Nation, Under God...I wasn't interested, nor did I ask for quotes regarding Christianity. I asked, quite specifically, which founder was responsible for the phrase you used. The answer is none.

Thanks.


Honesty is not one of WMB's strong suits. Then again, in WMB's little world, honesty doesn't even really exist -- it is merely an illusion.
 
Honesty is not one of WMB's strong suits. Then again, in WMB's little world, honesty doesn't even really exist -- it is merely an illusion.

Mr Unworldly carries the distinct aroma of mendacity.

The bridges "built with private money"...the phrase from the "founders"...

What's the point?
 
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