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Simple. When one posts a moral critique of those not relevant to a given subject, then he is engaged in dilution of the actual subject at hand. The above top post was a case in which clear moral trespass was committed. The prevailing response by others here was criticism of historic Christianity and/or the West in lieu of a single word of critique of those relevant to the subject.

Rather straightforward, I would say.
 
So those shown in the top post merit no critique whatsoever, whereas Christians - who had nothing at all to do with it - do.

Roger that. :-/
 
I defended no racist blather. I did, however, note the deconstructionist bent of many here who can't manage to post on topic.

I'm no racist. Thanks.
 
RickWA said:
Simple. When one posts a moral critique of those not relevant to a given subject, then he is engaged in dilution of the actual subject at hand. The above top post was a case in which clear moral trespass was committed. The prevailing response by others here was criticism of historic Christianity and/or the West in lieu of a single word of critique of those relevant to the subject.

Rather straightforward, I would say.
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Why, Rick, I actually agree with Craig, who posted that people who desecrate graves are pigs. People of WHATEVER religion, whether it be Muslims, Christians, or Jews. But your original post in this thread simply presented an historically inaccurate view of America, and America's founding. You wrote:

Rick: Entirely predictable are the uncritical (other than to bash Christians, of course) responses you draw on this forum. PJ is is largely infested with deconstructionist types. If it can be in any way perceived to be a defense of things decent, traditional, or Western - then you can bet the hordes will descend upon a strand to vent their anti-Christian, bitterly-secularist, illiberal, intolerant, anti-pluralist, deconstructionist wrath.

From Cub Scouts to Christianity - just sit back and watch the bitterness. The pure, undiluted hatred is palpable. It is self-hate, of course..self-hate inflicted upon the West as a whole - but especially on traditional America and it's values. You have to tear it down before you can re-make it. Many are fully committed to the demolition. Never are they more enthused than when decrying the prevailing Judeo-Christian culture. Just a little extra spring in the step, I guess.

LeRoy: The Founding Fathers clearly intended for America to be a secular republic, Rick. Which is WHY I posted that famous James Madison quote. And, by the way, the phrase "Judeo-Christian" was never heard until after World War II, when the Holocaust death camps came to light. One suspects that folks like you then started talking about "Judeo-Christian values" out of some guilt complex.
 
LeRoy_Was_Here said:
LeRoy: The Founding Fathers clearly intended for America to be a secular republic, Rick. Which is WHY I posted that famous James Madison quote. And, by the way, the phrase "Judeo-Christian" was never heard until after World War II, when the Holocaust death camps came to light. One suspects that folks like you then started talking about "Judeo-Christian values" out of some guilt complex.
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You may feel free to project whatever motivations you like, LeRoy. Most academics wouldn't, but feel free in any case. I feel no particular guilt, but thanks for the concern.

As for the secular republic comment, that's partially true. Any student of state constitutions would quickly find that most "cultural" ties were more local than federal (read a few of the original state charters - heavily steeped in public declarations of specific faith). In any case, it is lazy to turn what I wrote into some debate about theocracy (or my desire for same). I made no reference to state-faith. Statists tend to reflexively go straight for that angle when reading any reference to secularist hostility. It seems they can envision the holding of no value or faith independent of a massive, coercive state.

I have no such handicap. :)
 
Obviously that's not what I said...but why let that stop you, eh?

Why are there so few honest people here?
 
RickWA said:
You may feel free to project whatever motivations you like, LeRoy. Most academics wouldn't, but feel free in any case. I feel no particular guilt, but thanks for the concern.

As for the secular republic comment, that's partially true. Any student of state constitutions would quickly find that most "cultural" ties were more local than federal (read a few of the original state charters - heavily steeped in public declarations of specific faith). In any case, it is lazy to turn what I wrote into some debate about theocracy (or my desire for same). I made no reference to state-faith. Statists tend to reflexively go straight for that angle when reading any reference to secularist hostility. It seems they can envision the holding of no value or faith independent of a massive, coercive state.

I have no such handicap. :)
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On the contrary, Rick, James Madison understood....as you do not....that religious freedom was most likely to flourish in a SECULAR republic. As indeed has proven to be true in the case of America. America is far more religious than Sweden, for example, even though Lutheranism is the official state religion of Sweden.
 
RickWA said:
All disgusting, foul, and unequivocally wrong.

(See how easy that was)?
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Good for you, Rick. But you'll notice that our top poster has yet to condemn these equally vile cases of grave-site vandalism. There's probably a reason for that, you know.
 
"On the contrary" to what? I don't disagree (and please don't presume to tell me what I understand of Madison or any other founder - that's silly, you have no basis from which to make such a judgment).

If I were to reference clear evidence anti-Christian bigotry, it doesn't follow that I prefer any sort of theocratic order.
 
Interesting that few among the left have done so either for the non-Jew/non-Christian offenders.

And here we are...yes? That's the deconstructionist "Westy-loathing" thingey at play. Perhaps it is now time to work smallpox blankets into the conversation...I do believe we're overdue.
 
Hey, whatever odd rituals turn your crank, Craig. I'm a live and let live kinda guy. ;)
 
RickWA said:
Interesting that few among the left have done so either for the non-Jew/non-Christian offenders.

And here we are...yes? That's the deconstructionist "Westy-loathing" thingey at play. Perhaps it is now time to work smallpox blankets into the conversation...I do believe we're overdue.
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So, you are saying, my friend, that all of us, who knows barb's posting for years and see her CONTINUOS one-sided biased posts regarding all the bad possible things committed only by muslims and blacks, we all hate West?
 
RickWA said:
Hey, whatever odd rituals turn your crank, Craig. I'm a live and let live kinda guy. ;)
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Here's the lesson Rick: If someone posts a video showing Muslims doing something most people would condemn, that provides an opportunity for bashing Christians.

Now, if someone posted a video showing Christians doing something most people would condemn, that also would provide an opportunity for bashing Christians.

That's just how some peoples brains are wired. You'll never win an argument with them, because were you use logic and reason, they use hate and hysteria. Every point you make they will counter with calling you a name.



"Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig likes it."
 
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