Primary voting out dated?

[SW48]

Is it me or is the primary voting process out dated. Seems like it was created in the horse and buggy era where candidates would travel the country slowly and the different states would vote in their primary. The current system when Trump first ran for president gave Trump an insurmountable lead because there were so many candidates and as they dropped out his lead shrunk but it was too little too late. If the entire primary had been revoted at the end of the election season that year Trump may have lost.

It seems like the current Primary process favors the early leader and is out dated with today's media, travel, and news cycle being much quicker than it was when the process was created. It also seems that the current system allows a candidate to build a big enough lead that any bad press towards the end of the process could have no effect on the final outcome and leave a lot of early primary voter's upset they can't change their vote. Of course as an independent I don't get to vote in any primary's.

Thoughts, what am I missing?

 

[Dawg]

Is it me or is the primary voting process out dated. Seems like it was created in the horse and buggy era where candidates would travel the country slowly and the different states would vote in their primary. The current system when Trump first ran for president gave Trump an insurmountable lead because there were so many candidates and as they dropped out his lead shrunk but it was too little too late. If the entire primary had been revoted at the end of the election season that year Trump may have lost.

It seems like the current Primary process favors the early leader and is out dated with today's media, travel, and news cycle being much quicker than it was when the process was created. It also seems that the current system allows a candidate to build a big enough lead that any bad press towards the end of the process could have no effect on the final outcome and leave a lot of early primary voter's upset they can't change their vote. Of course as an independent I don't get to vote in any primary's.

Thoughts, what am I missing?

There's probably much truth in what you posted and I'm sure many would change their votes if they could.
As an Independent I can vote in primaries.

 

[SW48]

There's probably much truth in what you posted and I'm sure many would change their votes if they could.
As an Independent I can vote in primaries.

I guess I never realized an independent can vote in primaries. Maybe its just my state or maybe I don't know what I am doing?

 

[Dawg]

I guess I never realized an independent can vote in primaries. Maybe its just my state or maybe I don't know what I am doing?

Well, if you did vote we'd probably do as you posted and wish we could change our votes for the General (?)
I'm not aware of how it is in Ohio.

Open Primary – With Nonpartisan Registration
The third type of primary is the open primary with nonpartisan registration – and what this means is that any voter, irrespective of their partisan registration, can vote in whichever primary they feel like. Independent voters can participate in the Democratic and Republican primaries, and even registered Democrats can vote in the Republican primary, and vice-versa: registered Republicans can vote in the Democratic primary. Because voters aren’t required to formally affiliate with either major party, any registered voter can vote in whichever primary they please.

Because open primaries with nonpartisan registration don't require any sort of partisan affiliation, these are generally considered the easiest for independents to participate in. As long as you’re registered to vote, period, you can vote in the primaries of the following states:

• Alabama
• Arkansas
• Georgia
• Illinois
• Indiana
• Michigan
• Minnesota
• Mississippi
• Missouri
• Montana
• North Carolina
• Ohio
• South Carolina
• Tennessee
• Texas
• Vermont
• Virginia
• Wisconsin

There has been a fair amount of controversy with open primaries such as these, with opponents saying that letting anyone participate in a primary opens the door for bad-faith actors to purposely vote for who they perceive as the weaker candidate, hoping that this weaker candidate wins the nomination, but ultimately loses to the voter’s preferred candidate in the general election. In essence, opponents may argue, open primaries are themselves open to corruption by people who want to see either party nominate a “bad” candidate who would lose to their preferred candidate running on the opposing party.

However, proponents say that open primaries without partisan registration are the most democratic possible primaries, as there’s no partisan exclusivity for who gets to cast primary ballots – it’s just the voters. Because open primaries without partisan registration by definition don’t require partisan identification, there’s also fewer bureaucratic barriers that the average voter will have to contend with in order to cast their ballot. Partisan registration can often be an opaque process, and like many things in general, simplifying access improves turnout.

 

[SW48]

Well, if you did vote we'd probably do as you posted and wish we could change our votes for the General (?)
I'm not aware of how it is in Ohio.

Open Primary – With Nonpartisan Registration
The third type of primary is the open primary with nonpartisan registration – and what this means is that any voter, irrespective of their partisan registration, can vote in whichever primary they feel like. Independent voters can participate in the Democratic and Republican primaries, and even registered Democrats can vote in the Republican primary, and vice-versa: registered Republicans can vote in the Democratic primary. Because voters aren’t required to formally affiliate with either major party, any registered voter can vote in whichever primary they please.

Because open primaries with nonpartisan registration don't require any sort of partisan affiliation, these are generally considered the easiest for independents to participate in. As long as you’re registered to vote, period, you can vote in the primaries of the following states:

• Alabama
• Arkansas
• Georgia
• Illinois
• Indiana
• Michigan
• Minnesota
• Mississippi
• Missouri
• Montana
• North Carolina
• Ohio
• South Carolina
• Tennessee
• Texas
• Vermont
• Virginia
• Wisconsin

There has been a fair amount of controversy with open primaries such as these, with opponents saying that letting anyone participate in a primary opens the door for bad-faith actors to purposely vote for who they perceive as the weaker candidate, hoping that this weaker candidate wins the nomination, but ultimately loses to the voter’s preferred candidate in the general election. In essence, opponents may argue, open primaries are themselves open to corruption by people who want to see either party nominate a “bad” candidate who would lose to their preferred candidate running on the opposing party.

However, proponents say that open primaries without partisan registration are the most democratic possible primaries, as there’s no partisan exclusivity for who gets to cast primary ballots – it’s just the voters. Because open primaries without partisan registration by definition don’t require partisan identification, there’s also fewer bureaucratic barriers that the average voter will have to contend with in order to cast their ballot. Partisan registration can often be an opaque process, and like many things in general, simplifying access improves turnout.

I just looked it up and it says independents can't vote in Ohio in the presidential primary.

 

[worldlymrb]

Primary voting out dated?

Hard to believe so called democrats would tolerate the DNC Party and their anti-democrat process in selecting presidential candidates with "Super Delegates" and how the party "committee" can make up rules that prevents any competition from their chosen corpse candidate.

 

[Spamature]

Parties do not usually primary their incumbent POTUS. It seems as if you are trying to normalize the cult like attachment Republican voters have to Trump.
I doubt if any other candidates in our history could be in the lead for the nomination of their party with 4 indictments and what the judge describes as a rape conviction, hanging over their campaign and still be in the race, let alone a front runner for their party's nomination.

 

[Jack4freedom]

Parties do not usually primary their incumbent POTUS. It seems as if you are trying to normalize the cult like attachment Republican voters have to Trump.
I doubt if any other candidates in our history could be in the lead for the nomination of their party with 4 indictments and what the judge describes as a rape conviction, hanging over their campaign and still be in the race, let alone a front runner for their party's nomination.

It still amazes me how much of a hold this crooked con man has over GOP Voters.

 

[Spamature]

It still amazes me how much of a hold this crooked con man has over GOP Voters.

It amazes me in the same way that people continue to give money to Nigerian Princes, but at the same time the idea "it could never happen here" is torn to shreds. We are in part no different from all any of those tin pot dictator countries we shake our heads at in disbelief.

 

[Jack4freedom]

It amazes me in the same way that people continue to give money to Nigerian Princes, but at the same time the idea "it could never happen here" is torn to shreds. We are in part no different from all any of those tin pot dictator countries we shake our heads at in disbelief.

I disagree. With our legal system, free press and Constitution we usually expose such rampant corruption and get back on track…247 years and counting….No tin pot regime has ever lasted that long.. Trump tried to head us there and failed miserably. Now it looks like he is heading for the jail house.

 

[Spamature]

I disagree. With our legal system, free press and Constitution we usually expose such rampant corruption and get back on track…247 years and counting….No tin pot regime has ever lasted that long.. Trump tried to head us there and failed miserably. Now it looks like he is heading for the jail house.

Mueller's investigation found that Trump has obstructed justice, our legal system did nothing about that finding.

Our free press now says the Mueller investigation didn't find anything.

Our Constitution says he shouldn't even be allowed to seek public office.

Yet, he is the front-runner for the presidency.

I am sure many of those tin pot dictator run countries at one point in time had the same guardrails you think will protect us.

 

[Jack4freedom]

Mueller's investigation found that Trump has obstructed justice, our legal system did nothing about that finding.

Our free press now says the Mueller investigation didn't find anything.

Our Constitution says he shouldn't even be allowed to seek public office.

Yet, he is the front-runner for the presidency.

I am sure many of those tin pot dictator run countries at one point in time had the same guardrails you think will protect us.

Not all of our free press says that Mueller report didn’t find anything. Anybody who can read has access to information which clearly points out that the report definitely found synergy and cooperation between Trump Campaign and Russian Mobsters and Intel assets. As far as obstruction of Justice, Trump has been indicted by US DOJ and several other jurisdictions for crimes against the state. I agree that if we do not arrest and prosecute traitors like Trump and his cronies we could descend into a corrupt authoritarian dictatorship. That is why it is important for US Law enforcement to prosecute scum like this and for responsible journalists to report the TRUTH about this corruption. That’s what’s happening right now and hopefully will continue.

 

[Spamature]

Not all of our free press says that Mueller report didn’t find anything. Anybody who can read has access to information which clearly points out that the report definitely found synergy and cooperation between Trump Campaign and Russian Mobsters and Intel assets. As far as obstruction of Justice, Trump has been indicted by US DOJ and several other jurisdictions for crimes against the state. I agree that if we do not arrest and prosecute traitors like Trump and his cronies we could descend into a corrupt authoritarian dictatorship. That is why it is important for US Law enforcement to prosecute scum like this and for responsible journalists to report the TRUTH about this corruption. That’s what’s happening right now and hopefully will continue.

Yet he could make it all go away right in front of our eyes with the people knowing he is guilty as charged. All he has to do is win his election. Then the legal system will fall in line. The free press will just watch and rationalize it all. In the end, his will, will matter more than the Constitution. Finally, we will realize that the belief in our system was nothing more than misplaced vanity.

 

[worldlymrb]

Parties do not usually primary their incumbent POTUS. It seems as if you are trying to normalize the cult like attachment Republican voters have to Trump.
I doubt if any other candidates in our history could be in the lead for the nomination of their party with 4 indictments and what the judge describes as a rape conviction, hanging over their campaign and still be in the race, let alone a front runner for their party's nomination.

Democrat party can come back to me when they transition to 'Make America Great Again', rather than peddling homosexuality to children.

Kennedy vs. Carter: The 1980 Battle for the Democratic Party's Soul

 

[Spamature]

Democrat party can come back to me when they transition to 'Make America Great Again', rather than peddling homosexuality to children.

Kennedy vs. Carter: The 1980 Battle for the Democratic Party's Soul

Yes, and how did that turn out.
Did tearing down the incumbent lead to victory in the election, or a split party dooming itself to lose it ?

That is a great example as to why you don't primary your incumbent.

Still clinging to the GOP cult favorite, Pizzagate ?
I guess it makes it easier to lie about Democrats than face up to the right's gun grooming of children. Funny, though, when was homosexuality ever the leading cause of death among children, like guns have been for so very long ?

 

[worldlymrb]

Still clinging to the GOP cult favorite, Pizzagate ?
I guess it makes it easier to lie about Democrats than face up to the right's gun grooming of children. Funny, though, when was homosexuality ever the leading cause of death among children, like guns have been for so very long ?

Damn right I would want to groom a little girl on how to use a 9mm snub-nosed handgun to defend herself from a cult of Homosexual/Trans leftist wanting to surgically remove her gentile without parental consent or have her sit on the lap of some hairy 6ft dude with an erection for Drag Queen story time. Wouldn't you?

Newsom Signs Bill That Removes Children from Parents Who Oppose Transgender Treatments (christian-heritage-news.com)

 

[Spamature]

Damn right I would want to groom a little girl on how to use a 9mm snub-nosed handgun to defend herself from a cult of Homosexual/Trans leftist wanting to surgically remove her gentile without parental consent or have her sit on the lap of some hairy 6ft dude with an erection for Drag Queen story time. Wouldn't you?

Newsom Signs Bill That Removes Children from Parents Who Oppose Transgender Treatments (christian-heritage-news.com)

No, it's just your fetish you are handing down them.
A poison that kills thousands of boys and girls a year.
So you make up this fantasy that allows you to kill doctors and teachers and especially the trans people. It's all the same murder lust.
You create an enemy in your mind to give yourself the permission to fantasize.

Guns are the leading cause of death for US children and teens, since surpassing car accidents in 2020. Firearms accounted for nearly 19% of childhood deaths (ages 1-18) in 2021, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Wonder database.

 

[Jack4freedom]

Yet he could make it all go away right in front of our eyes with the people knowing he is guilty as charged. All he has to do is win his election. Then the legal system will fall in line. The free press will just watch and rationalize it all. In the end, his will, will matter more than the Constitution. Finally, we will realize that the belief in our system was nothing more than misplaced vanity.

Come on Spam. You are starting to sound like some of the right wingers here running around like chickens with their heads screaming that the sky is falling because of Joe, Hunter and now Jim Biden. If Trump wins, it will be the fault of the 50%+ of Americans who don’t bother to vote. Then, like my old man said, you get what you get. Either way, I will survive. I do what I can and try to enlighten people I interact with. I will cast my vote. I’m not worried.

 

[PNWest]

There's probably much truth in what you posted and I'm sure many would change their votes if they could.
As an Independent I can vote in primaries.

In Oregon you cannot vote in party primaries. In TX you could.

 

[PNWest]

Come on Spam. You are starting to sound like some of the right wingers here running around like chickens with their heads screaming that the sky is falling because of Joe, Hunter and now Jim Biden. If Trump wins, it will be the fault of the 50%+ of Americans who don’t bother to vote. Then, like my old man said, you get what you get. Either way, I will survive. I do what I can and try to enlighten people I interact with. I will cast my vote. I’m not worried.

Nope - It will be the fault of the Democrats who stood by silently while a mediocre 81 year old decrepit President put his ego ahead of his country and ran for re-election when it is obvious that someone younger would make a better Commander in Chief.

The ONLY reason to vote for Biden is because Trump is worse. And to many that just isn't enough. Maybe if enough people stay home the Democrats will get rid of the current party leaders and start replacing them with people that will actually fight for the things that these fossils only pay lip service to. Unfortunately there may not be a country to save by that point.