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Protesters block traffic

TBLee said:
Apparently help to clear the road is on the way…
abc7news.com

38 Pro-Palestinian protesters arrested after shutdown of Golden Gate Bridge, I-880 in Oakland: CHP

Pro-Palestinian protesters shut down the Golden Gate Bridge and I-880 in Oakland for hours on Monday as part of a worldwide economic blockade in solidarity with Gaza.
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We have a right to be free as long as that freedom does not interfere with others' right to be free. If it does, it needs to be dealt with so that the others' rights can be respected.

If the interference endangers anybody then it should be considered criminal and be treated accordingly. Surely we can have opinions without being destructive.
 
Boltlady said:
We have a right to be free as long as that freedom does not interfere with others' right to be free. If it does, it needs to be dealt with so that the others' rights can be respected.

If the interference endangers anybody then it should be considered criminal and be treated accordingly. Surely we can have opinions without being destructive.
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That is the way it should be, but as we have seen that is not the way it often is.
 
Boltlady said:
I should have included the destruction of property should be criminal too. People are trying to destroy fine art and other things with little or no repercussions. That's very wrong.
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It IS a crime to do so, but often nothing happens. It is pathetic. Protest all you want, but when you infringe on the safety of others, or damage property then there should be charges.
 
Boltlady said:
We have a right to be free as long as that freedom does not interfere with others' right to be free. If it does, it needs to be dealt with so that the others' rights can be respected.

If the interference endangers anybody then it should be considered criminal and be treated accordingly. Surely we can have opinions without being destructive.
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The harm principle.

"Your right to swing your fists ends at my nose".
 
TBLee said:
Apparently help to clear the road is on the way…
abc7news.com

38 Pro-Palestinian protesters arrested after shutdown of Golden Gate Bridge, I-880 in Oakland: CHP

Pro-Palestinian protesters shut down the Golden Gate Bridge and I-880 in Oakland for hours on Monday as part of a worldwide economic blockade in solidarity with Gaza.
abc7news.com abc7news.com
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Idiotic tactic. Guaranteed to piss people off and will fail to get support. So far about 20 people arrested on the Golden Gate. More on I80 in Oakland. I kinda like the water cannon used in other countries.
 
middleview said:
Idiotic tactic. Guaranteed to piss people off and will fail to get support. So far about 20 people arrested on the Golden Gate. More on I80 in Oakland. I kinda like the water cannon used in other countries.
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M-4's work better than water cannons
 
TBLee said:
Apparently help to clear the road is on the way…
abc7news.com

38 Pro-Palestinian protesters arrested after shutdown of Golden Gate Bridge, I-880 in Oakland: CHP

Pro-Palestinian protesters shut down the Golden Gate Bridge and I-880 in Oakland for hours on Monday as part of a worldwide economic blockade in solidarity with Gaza.
abc7news.com abc7news.com
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Well, if they charge them with kidnapping or false imprisonment (charges that have been used in the past under similar circumstances and are still are available) then your assertion of help coming might be true.

People exercising their 1st cannot force others to listen if they do not want to. It is a crime.
 
Boltlady said:
We have a right to be free as long as that freedom does not interfere with others' right to be free. If it does, it needs to be dealt with so that the others' rights can be respected.

If the interference endangers anybody then it should be considered criminal and be treated accordingly. Surely we can have opinions without being destructive.
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Agree , that's why it is great to see the Jan 6 thugs tossed in prison
 
Boltlady said:
We have a right to be free as long as that freedom does not interfere with others' right to be free. If it does, it needs to be dealt with so that the others' rights can be respected.

If the interference endangers anybody then it should be considered criminal and be treated accordingly. Surely we can have opinions without being destructive.
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If no one is ever inconvenienced, there is no reason for the powers that be to alter the status quo.
 
middleview said:
Idiotic tactic. Guaranteed to piss people off and will fail to get support. So far about 20 people arrested on the Golden Gate. More on I80 in Oakland. I kinda like the water cannon used in other countries.
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I'm not part of their movement and can't really judge their tactics from the outside, but I think you're right. As a publicity stunt it gets a lot of attention, but the opinion of the large minority opposing Israel's war is already well known. It seems the organization of large mass demonstrations as we've seen with ANSWER, Refuse & Resist, etc., in recent months, is a more realistic approach of building the solidarity that can win concessions.

I certainly don't condone an escalation of brutality by police as we've seen to such horrific effect in recent years.

Blocking roads CAN be an effective tactic though. We've seen that with truckers in the U.S. and France who used their alliance with farmers to win concessions through their control of essential supplies. We also saw it with the Kootenai War of 1974 when they blocked those highways in Idaho, because it occurred with the already established support of much of the local population and because their tactics were not so overly aggressive as to alienate sympathetic people or become an excuse for violent retailiation.
 
Jack4freedom said:
These ass holes remind me of the morons down in Texas who ran Hillary Clinton’s campaign bus off the road. Blocking off main highways is a dangerous and stupid move.
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I think so too, though again I'm not there.

"Adventurism" is the (term used by Marxists for the) attempt to shortcut the historical class struggle by substituting the will of a small group for patient political organization among the masses. Representing a despair at the conservatism and capitulations of an "opportunist" leadership selling out the masses for a seat at the ruling class's table, as well as the filling of a vacuum of working-class leadership by a middle-class layer infected by bourgeois (romantic-individualist, conspiratorial, bellicose) ideology, it is frequently found among other middle-class "ultraleftist" deviations as well as right-wing opportunist deviations from the scientifically correct from the standpoint of social revolution (communist) path.

This looks like adventurism from where I'm sitting. It will have almost no impact on tax collection much less aid to Israel or Israel's war. What it will do is turn a bunch of people against Palestine, get people unnecessarily hurt, and set up the police to mop up all the protests, including many that have nothing to do with this.

Though, again, I'm not there.
 
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