Question

[Judy1]

Obviously there are some nutcases on the right in Congress. Is there some reason why the more moderate faction of the republicans in office couldn't just tell the teaparty wing that they can't caucus with them? I admit I don't totally understand congressional rules etc, but it seems like more would get done if the republicans in Congress just excommunicated them on certain pieces of legislation. Or is it that there aren't enough moderates in the house to form a majority without them? GOP gives TP way too much power. Thoughts?

 

[Boltlady]

Obviously there are some nutcases on the right in Congress. Is there some reason why the more moderate faction of the republicans in office couldn't just tell the teaparty wing that they can't caucus with them? I admit I don't totally understand congressional rules etc, but it seems like more would get done if the republicans in Congress just excommunicated them on certain pieces of legislation. Or is it that there aren't enough moderates in the house to form a majority without them? GOP gives TP way too much power. Thoughts?

Their constituents give them power. That still counts in some quarters.

 

[Bluedog]

Obviously there are some nutcases on the right in Congress. Is there some reason why the more moderate faction of the republicans in office couldn't just tell the teaparty wing that they can't caucus with them? I admit I don't totally understand congressional rules etc, but it seems like more would get done if the republicans in Congress just excommunicated them on certain pieces of legislation. Or is it that there aren't enough moderates in the house to form a majority without them? GOP gives TP way too much power. Thoughts?

If we can agree that our country is a democratic republic and that the American people themselves fall into the categories represented in Congress, than good,bad, or indifferent, their voices will be heard also.

Jmo

 

[Judy1]

Their constituents give them power. That still counts in some quarters.

Agreed that TP are acting on their constituents wishes, but the percentage of tp devotees is a small fraction of americans, it certainly does not constitute a majority. If we are a representative government, and if TP consists of 10% of electorate, why should they be given all the power?

 

[Judy1]

If we can agree that our country is a democratic republic and that the American people themselves fall into the categories represented in Congress, than good,bad, or indifferent, their voices will be heard also.

Jmo

But our voices aren't being heard, see my reply to Boltlady

 

[UnleashedInTheEast]

It appears you don't understand our system. Voters elect representatives. Representatives go to DC and forward the wishes of the voters who elected them.

But maybe you're on to something here. Maybe the moderate, rational Democrats should just ignore the fringoid kooks like Nancy "There are no cuts left to make" Pelosi. After all, who cares about what her voters want?

 

[UnleashedInTheEast]

Agreed that TP are acting on their constituents wishes, but the percentage of tp devotees is a small fraction of americans, it certainly does not constitute a majority. If we are a representative government, and if TP consists of 10% of electorate, why should they be given all the power?

What nonsense. The establishment Republican goons have dissed the Tea Party at almost every opportunity.

 

[Judy1]

What nonsense. The establishment Republican goons have dissed the Tea Party at almost every opportunity.

yes, some moderates have come out and dissed the TP, but when push comes to shove, how do they vote. They fear the TP because they fear the primary.

 

[JuliefromOhio]

Obviously there are some nutcases on the right in Congress. Is there some reason why the more moderate faction of the republicans in office couldn't just tell the teaparty wing that they can't caucus with them? I admit I don't totally understand congressional rules etc, but it seems like more would get done if the republicans in Congress just excommunicated them on certain pieces of legislation. Or is it that there aren't enough moderates in the house to form a majority without them? GOP gives TP way too much power. Thoughts?

Boehner is afraid of the radicals in his party. he's being extorted by them, same as the country.
today I finally heard someone say the repubs fit the definition of insanity......doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.
they've voted 40+ times to abolish ObamaCare....losing each time, yet expecting a different result.

 

[Bluedog]

Boehner is afraid of the radicals in his party. he's being extorted by them, same as the country.
today I finally heard someone say the repubs fit the definition of insanity......doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.
they've voted 40+ times to abolish ObamaCare....losing each time, yet expecting a different result.

Guess what, if the majority electorate of those reps keeps telling them to repeal PPACA, than they are representing their voice in The House.

 

[Dawg]

Agreed that TP are acting on their constituents wishes, but the percentage of tp devotees is a small fraction of americans, it certainly does not constitute a majority. If we are a representative government, and if TP consists of 10% of electorate, why should they be given all the power?

I understand how this confuses you judy, few lib constituents expect their reps to work for them, the lib constituents just do as their reps say do........doesn't work that way with TP.......

 

[Dawg]

Boehner is afraid of the radicals in his party. he's being extorted by them, same as the country.
today I finally heard someone say the repubs fit the definition of insanity......doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.
they've voted 40+ times to abolish ObamaCare....losing each time, yet expecting a different result.

insanity is a Senator voted not to raise the debt ceiling in 2006 because it's proves a failure of leadership and in 2013 asking for debt ceiling to be raised.....'O' hypocrisy at it's finest:

 

[Jen]

It appears you don't understand our system. Voters elect representatives. Representatives go to DC and forward the wishes of the voters who elected them.

But maybe you're on to something here. Maybe the moderate, rational Democrats should just ignore the fringoid kooks like Nancy "There are no cuts left to make" Pelosi. After all, who cares about what her voters want?

Oh I would love to see the more moderate Democrats ignoring fringoid kooks (being kind here) like Nancy, Maxine Waters, Fredericka Wilson, Charlie Rangel (who also seems to be battling dementia at times).
If the rule applied to both left fringoids and right fringoids............it would be a good one.

 

[Bo-4]

Obviously there are some nutcases on the right in Congress. Is there some reason why the more moderate faction of the republicans in office couldn't just tell the teaparty wing that they can't caucus with them? I admit I don't totally understand congressional rules etc, but it seems like more would get done if the republicans in Congress just excommunicated them on certain pieces of legislation. Or is it that there aren't enough moderates in the house to form a majority without them? GOP gives TP way too much power. Thoughts?

Yes, they are given ENTIRELY too much power. The problem is that most of these House TeaFleas hail from districts that are SO rural and SO conservative that they have nothing to fear other than being primaried from the right.

Combine that with the reality that primaries are notoriously low turnout, and the most frothy, drooling, angry sorts are the ones who show up to vote.

But yes, the Republicans need to ignore and ultimately purge this contingency who represent a minority.. even in the House if they plan on ever winning another national election.

What they don't seem to understand is that in doing so, they will attract more moderates, minorities and women voters than they will lose in TeaFleas.

My hunch is, that the TP will (probably by early 2014) split off from the Republican Party.

 

[JuliefromOhio]

Guess what, if the majority electorate of those reps keeps telling them to repeal PPACA, than they are representing their voice in The House.

those repub legislators will never be mistaken for leaders with that nonsense. MISleading their gullible constituents to believe they could nullify established law is deceitful and political malpractice.
the fun thing will be when those same constituents realize they've been taken for a ride. will they be so pissed that they sit out the 2014 election? could happen.

 

[Judy1]

I understand how this confuses you judy, few lib constituents expect their reps to work for them, the lib constituents just do as their reps say do........doesn't work that way with TP.......

Dawg, I do understand your point, of course representatives have some duty to their constituents, but those TP members in congress do not represent the rest of the country, yet the moderate Republican give them more power than the TP members actually represent. Dems would never give such a small faction of their party that much power. why do suppose that is?

If i were nutty enough to belong to a small percentage of liberals who might want us to to want us to eliminate 95% of our military spending, is it realistic to expect that the rest of country go along with it?

is it in the country's best interest to give that small group of people all the power when it comes to getting legislation passed? its my right to be represented in Congress, but to allow a small group like that to seize control of the whole process is irresponsible. The good news is that our system should still work, and those nutwings will likely be voted out in the next election. In the meantime, nothing gets done. Of course the rest of your party will suffer too, but that's politics.

 

[Bluedog]

those repub legislators will never be mistaken for leaders with that nonsense. MISleading their gullible constituents to believe they could nullify established law is deceitful and political malpractice.
the fun thing will be when those same constituents realize they've been taken for a ride. will they be so pissed that they sit out the 2014 election? could happen.

If what u state is correct than the electorate should punish them in 2014. We will have to wait and see. Jmo

 

[Dawg]

Judy, all three houses are so corrupt, there may not be a possibility of HOPE unless a third party can bring CHANGE..............may not be the TP but gawd we need a third party strong enough to right the ship........listin' left for a few years, listin' to the right for a few years and we're getting nowhere but deeper in debt.........when the majority pays NO Income taxes.........the ship will sink.

 

[Judy1]

Oh I would love to see the more moderate Democrats ignoring fringoid kooks (being kind here) like Nancy, Maxine Waters, Fredericka Wilson, Charlie Rangel (who also seems to be battling dementia at times).
If the rule applied to both left fringoids and right fringoids............it would be a good one.

Jen, agreed that there are likely kooks on both sides, but can you point to one instance where a majority of the dems in congress gave so much credence to extreme liberal views that the nutwings were running the show?

 

[Judy1]

Judy, all three houses are so corrupt, there may not be a possibility of HOPE unless a third party can bring CHANGE..............may not be the TP but gawd we need a third party strong enough to right the ship........listin' left for a few years, listin' to the right for a few years and we're getting nowhere but deeper in debt.........when the majority pays NO Income taxes.........the ship will sink.

okay, now you're making a little sense. depending on who the leaders of said 3rd party were, and as long as they aren't bent on giving it all away to the top 1 percent, I'm with you on that.