Question

[Jen]

Jen, agreed that there are likely kooks on both sides, but can you point to one instance where a majority of the dems in congress gave so much credence to extreme liberal views that the nutwings were running the show?

Yes. The recent Trayvon Martin thing where Fredericka was shrieking "hunted down like a dog", Obama was pontificating "if I had a son....Trayvon".......... and they made it into a nation-wide race debate when there was no racial motivation involved in the actual incident.

Zimmerman may have been a zealot. But he was committed to making his neighborhood safe and had a white person been doing exactly the same thing as Trayvon was doing and had a white person reacted with exactly the same responses as Trayvon did, the results would have been the same. Yet.............. Democrat kooks made it racial and many in the nation chose to follow along.

 

[Figjam]

...it is simple Judy. The republicans lack precisely what they accuse Obama of - they LACK LEADERSHIP. Boehner is a leadership VOID. The small minority tp'ers have the republicans paralyzed with fear. Because you know, once elected job#1 is to work for re-election.

 

[Figjam]

Yes. The recent Trayvon Martin thing where Fredericka was shrieking "hunted down like a dog", Obama was pontificating "if I had a son....Trayvon".......... and they made it into a nation-wide race debate when there was no racial motivation involved in the actual incident.

Zimmerman may have been a zealot. But he was committed to making his neighborhood safe and had a white person been doing exactly the same thing as Trayvon was doing and had a white person reacted with exactly the same responses as Trayvon did, the results would have been the same. Yet.............. Democrat kooks made it racial and many in the nation chose to follow along.

...Zimmerman is certifiable - republicans consistent defense of this pox on society is amazing...

 

[Dawg]

 

[Figjam]

...we are also not planning for the future passing 2-month spending bills either. In fact, it is much more harmful to business but patently republicans don't care about business or the economy.

 

[Jen]

...Zimmerman is certifiable - republicans consistent defense of this pox on society is amazing...

Not defending Zimmerman at all (had you read my post you would have seen that). What I was and will continue to speak out about is the nasty habit of profiteering from perceived racism. You can talk all day about Zimmerman being in the wrong and I will agree with you UNTIL you inject racism into it. At that point.............I will disagree. There was no racism. But the profiteers (Fredericka, Waters, et al) needed it there to further their agenda. And some idiots bought into that.

 

[Figjam]

Not defending Zimmerman at all (had you read my post you would have seen that). What I was and will continue to speak out about is the nasty habit of profiteering from perceived racism. You can talk all day about Zimmerman being in the wrong and I will agree with you UNTIL you inject racism into it. At that point.............I will disagree. There was no racism. But the profiteers (Fredericka, Waters, et al) needed it there to further their agenda. And some idiots bought into that.

...saying he was dedicated to keeping his neighborhood safe, is, from my perspective a rationalization of someone who has quite clearly revealed himself to be unstable and a bad decisionmaker.

...what President Obama was trying to point out was, how race plays a role in our society. This may not be what we want to hear, but it is something we need to hear.

 

[Jen]

...saying he was dedicated to keeping his neighborhood safe, is, from my perspective a rationalization of someone who has quite clearly revealed himself to be unstable and a bad decisionmaker.

...what President Obama was trying to point out was, how race plays a role in our society. This may not be what we want to hear, but it is something we need to hear.

Yes. On the first part. Zimmerman was, perhaps overly-dedicated to keeping his neighborhood safe (which is why I said he was a "zealot") and yes, Zimmerman has definitely revealed himself to be unstable and a bad decision-maker.

But he is not a racist. And to pretend he is a racist to profit from it is wrong. Maybe we do need to hear about racism, but it's not effective when fake racism is used and your comment that Obama made it racism because we "need to hear it" is exactly what I meant by "profiteering". Profiteering is not always money. It can be pushing an agenda. And you said that Obama was doing just that.

It seems you agree with me.

 

[Judy1]

Yes. The recent Trayvon Martin thing where Fredericka was shrieking "hunted down like a dog", Obama was pontificating "if I had a son....Trayvon".......... and they made it into a nation-wide race debate when there was no racial motivation involved in the actual incident.

Zimmerman may have been a zealot. But he was committed to making his neighborhood safe and had a white person been doing exactly the same thing as Trayvon was doing and had a white person reacted with exactly the same responses as Trayvon did, the results would have been the same. Yet.............. Democrat kooks made it racial and many in the nation chose to follow along.

Nope, wrong...I am talking about government. I don't give a damn about Zimmerman and what he got away with, doesn't affect me. I'm talking about showing me one instance where Dems in Congress kow-towed to the looney left and put them in control of the government. Can you find an example? .....No, you can't, because they don't put looneys in charge out of fear of being primaried. Focus.

 

[Dawg]

...we are also not planning for the future passing 2-month spending bills either. In fact, it is much more harmful to business but patently republicans don't care about business or the economy.

Fig my California friend.........apparently it's not just the republicans that don't care.......if 'O' could delay for a year ACA for business.......why not for ALL......it's a fact ACA is far from being ready for WE THE PEOPLE........what's a year.....nothing when it could be the disaster majority of WE THE PEOPLE think it will be.......√

 

[Dawg]

...saying he was dedicated to keeping his neighborhood safe, is, from my perspective a rationalization of someone who has quite clearly revealed himself to be unstable and a bad decisionmaker.

...what President Obama was trying to point out was, how race plays a role in our society. This may not be what we want to hear, but it is something we need to hear.

Fig..........I so hate using that lard-asses name--Zimmerman.........he's not much different from millions of cops already in uniform......power goes to their head and they are depriving citizens of their rights and we know why......they have a badge & a gun..........I learned this when I turned 16, got my DL's and had a state trooper that for some reason had it in for me........if I left home either in my car or later my motorcycle........this sob stopped me for bs.......improper mufflers or whatever he wanted to harass me with..........hell he wasn't but like early 20's......I didn't know his age.......come to find out, we both were screwing the same girl.......yeah she was a teen...........it's how I remember 'plastic-snap-on -Sgt' in basic training.......once they snapped on those Sgt. Stripes.........punk mfer's thought they were IT..........before the 8 weeks were up.........they learned they were not.√

 

[Dawg]

Nope, wrong...I am talking about government. I don't give a damn about Zimmerman and what he got away with, doesn't affect me. I'm talking about showing me one instance where Dems in Congress kow-towed to the looney left and put them in control of the government. Can you find an example? .....No, you can't, because they don't put looneys in charge out of fear of being primaried. Focus.

Praise air......'damn Zimmerman'...........what ya seek is there........I'm just to lazy to search for it........√

 

[Mytzlplk]

Obviously there are some nutcases on the right in Congress. Is there some reason why the more moderate faction of the republicans in office couldn't just tell the teaparty wing that they can't caucus with them? I admit I don't totally understand congressional rules etc, but it seems like more would get done if the republicans in Congress just excommunicated them on certain pieces of legislation. Or is it that there aren't enough moderates in the house to form a majority without them? GOP gives TP way too much power. Thoughts?

for starters, it may be in part because they'd have to abandon this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hastert_Rule for starters, given that there are as I recall, around 60 or so members in the TP caucus, and who knows how many sympathizers.

secondly, it's more about the threat to those vulnerable/up for election in 2014, of a TP primary challenge should they go to far astray.

 

[Renee]

Obviously there are some nutcases on the right in Congress. Is there some reason why the more moderate faction of the republicans in office couldn't just tell the teaparty wing that they can't caucus with them? I admit I don't totally understand congressional rules etc, but it seems like more would get done if the republicans in Congress just excommunicated them on certain pieces of legislation. Or is it that there aren't enough moderates in the house to form a majority without them? GOP gives TP way too much power. Thoughts?

It's about reelection

 

[Jen]

Nope, wrong...I am talking about government. I don't give a damn about Zimmerman and what he got away with, doesn't affect me. I'm talking about showing me one instance where Dems in Congress kow-towed to the looney left and put them in control of the government. Can you find an example? .....No, you can't, because they don't put looneys in charge out of fear of being primaried. Focus.

It WAS the government doing that profiteering, but I understand that there will be something wrong with anything I would use as an example so I'm done with this game.

 

[Renee]

Not defending Zimmerman at all (had you read my post you would have seen that). What I was and will continue to speak out about is the nasty habit of profiteering from perceived racism. You can talk all day about Zimmerman being in the wrong and I will agree with you UNTIL you inject racism into it. At that point.............I will disagree. There was no racism. But the profiteers (Fredericka, Waters, et al) needed it there to further their agenda. And some idiots bought into that.

And if you are blinded to the reality that there was racism here....you are part of the problem, you always accuse us of calling you racist....look in the mirror

 

[Jen]

And if you are blinded to the reality that there was racism here....you are part of the problem, you always accuse us of calling you racist....look in the mirror

Is every bone in your body just plain nasty???
I'm pretty sure of it.

 

[Figjam]

Yes. On the first part. Zimmerman was, perhaps overly-dedicated to keeping his neighborhood safe (which is why I said he was a "zealot") and yes, Zimmerman has definitely revealed himself to be unstable and a bad decision-maker.

But he is not a racist. And to pretend he is a racist to profit from it is wrong. Maybe we do need to hear about racism, but it's not effective when fake racism is used and your comment that Obama made it racism because we "need to hear it" is exactly what I meant by "profiteering". Profiteering is not always money. It can be pushing an agenda. And you said that Obama was doing just that.

It seems you agree with me.

I could not disagree with you more -

...in reference to z - I never said he was racist but it is NOT outside the realm of possibilities. Do you know all of his thoughts and motivations? I do not.

...about Obama - the majority of conservative leaning posters here would never agree with Obama - even if he did everything right, which he doesn't, the right would not agree with him. Our Nation has a race problem - and part of the problem is we do not honestly address it - Obama was right and people do not want to listen - profiteering? Seriously, you need to consider that remark...

 

[Renee]

Is every bone in your body just plain nasty???
I'm pretty sure of it.

Gee....upset about my being nasty......and you write something so nasty. Don't hold yourself morally superior when you are incapable of taking the high ground.
Ps I have the sweetest shin bone,

 

[Renee]

I could not disagree with you more -

...in reference to z - I never said he was racist but it is NOT outside the realm of possibilities. Do you know all of his thoughts and motivations? I do not.

...about Obama - the majority of conservative leaning posters here would never agree with Obama - even if he did everything right, which he doesn't, the right would not agree with him. Our Nation has a race problem - and part of the problem is we do not honestly address it - Obama was right and people do not want to listen - profiteering? Seriously, you need to consider that remark...

Just look here...the teabaggers still question his birth certificate and we all know it is because he isn't one of "us". This would never have been an issue if he were white. Racism is insidious and masked , like the birther movement.