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SandyinTex

SandyinTex

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I come as no beggar unto my Father but stand tall as an heir to His estate.

From the book God I Am, from Tragic to Magic by Peter O. Erbe
 
fairsheet said:
I'm unsatisfied. Might you illucidate? To my limited mind, this quote suggests two sides of the same coin.
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We are not expected to beg the Father for anything because we are his heirs. He gladly and lovingly gives so there is no need to beg.
 
SandyinTex said:
We are not expected to beg the Father for anything because we are his heirs. He gladly and lovingly gives so there is no need to beg.
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I think the "begging" comes from each individual trying to 'even the playing field.' Thus if I am experiencing infertility, but watching my neighbor easily have multiple children, or if I am experiencing dibilitating disease but watching my brother frolic with his children, I might want to "beg" for the ability to do what I see others do. But then again, I think that's a lot of why we invented Gods to beg to. I might beg my father (i.e., 'dad') to share food equally with me and my siblings; as I grow to adulthood and see limits to my parents (or the end of their responsibility to provide), I might want to imagine there is a Father (i.e., 'God') that will then care for me. Hence begging (i.e., praying). He (God) may 'share' in the grander scheme - perhaps we will all get into heaven? - but that doesn't mean that my cancer-ridden child will recover does it. Again, hence 'begging.'
 
SandyinTex said:
I think that would be a very good idea. Who are they going to 'try' and torment if we are not there? You described them perfectly and no, we do not want to become like them.
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I find it amusing to watch, sort of like viewing animals in a zoo. I rarely play, but am entertained by watching. Although too, sometime I get a bit concerned knowing that there are those who possess such an odd view of others. But then again, I think it's better to be forewarned.
 
the part i find so interesting is the fact that so many profess to be proud of living in a land of freedoms, especially of speech, but would be more than happy to crush your skull if you say something they dont agree with!! lol
 
BobbyT said:
I think the "begging" comes from each individual trying to 'even the playing field.' Thus if I am experiencing infertility, but watching my neighbor easily have multiple children, or if I am experiencing dibilitating disease but watching my brother frolic with his children, I might want to "beg" for the ability to do what I see others do. But then again, I think that's a lot of why we invented Gods to beg to. I might beg my father (i.e., 'dad') to share food equally with me and my siblings; as I grow to adulthood and see limits to my parents (or the end of their responsibility to provide), I might want to imagine there is a Father (i.e., 'God') that will then care for me. Hence begging (i.e., praying). He (God) may 'share' in the grander scheme - perhaps we will all get into heaven? - but that doesn't mean that my cancer-ridden child will recover does it. Again, hence 'begging.'
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I'm of the mind that if we have a loving father there would be no need to beg. I've never begged my father [dad] for anything because I knew he would not give it. I have begged God for things because I thought that is what I was expected to do but I no longer believe that.

The earth is a school for learning and if we have a disease it is no doubt teaching us and those around us a lesson.

Yes, I'm new agey. :)
 
You are all too close to them.

I pop in sometimes but won't be pulled into their games, not on either side.

Hard to back off though once in, I can imagine.
 
Back on topic, you old gossips you :)
Doesn't an awful lot or even all of our probems with the OT and therefore since they were married, the NT too,all boil down to the mis interperated Symbolism of the Serpent ?

If Adam and Eve were innocence, ignorance, naked as in nothing and they ate from the tree of knowledge, differing variations of who what or why but the Serpant always had something to do with it .......Now the Serpent is the Symbol of the Devil only, therefore knowledge is evil and so we are unclean but it was Mysogyne which carved away the greaterand deeper understinding/meaning of the Serpent, therefore changing both the attitude to knowledge and ourselves.

You can find ya own links :) xxxxxx

First one I found but there are very very many

http://maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/publications/jbms/?vol=10&num=2&id=254
 
Queen Titania said:
Back on topic, you old gossips you :)
Doesn't an awful lot or even all of our probems with the OT and therefore since they were married, the NT too,all boil down to the mis interperated Symbolism of the Serpent ?

If Adam and Eve were innocence, ignorance, naked as in nothing and they ate from the tree of knowledge, differing variations of who what or why but the Serpant always had something to do with it .......Now the Serpent is the Symbol of the Devil only, therefore knowledge is evil and so we are unclean but it was Mysogyne which carved away the greaterand deeper understinding/meaning of the Serpent, therefore changing both the attitude to knowledge and ourselves.

You can find ya own links :) xxxxxx

First one I found but there are very very many

http://maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/publications/jbms/?vol=10&num=2&id=254
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Not sure how your response is relevant to my TP but I may have missed something which is the case more often than not.

I know what the serpent otherwise known as satan represents...the ego! "Who told you you were naked?" Yes, we see it right there in the garden. The ego always makes one doubt and always counters God.
 
Adam and Eve were a blank page, ok they were in Paradise but they were ignorant of it ............it is us ........ and there is the tree of knowledge, that we must eat from in order to see and know Paradise, so that we can one day walk back to Paradise with our eyes open knowing it really. The Serpent is in a sense Wisdom and all that is good as well as bad, the highs and the pitfalls. There was a very interesting Religion in Iraq before the War, now lost, which was all about the Serpent.

The theme is the same in all the Philosophies really. That we go 'home' as pure as we left but with Knowledge so that we can now see it ....and so it has relevence and so it is right, the changing of the Serpents meaning is where we came to be unclean and unworthy. Beggers.
 
Yup I can see that.

I was being very simplistc,gabby and it is only part of the meaning, many depths to these little stories

And know I don't know them all,
 
Queen Titania said:
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The theme is the same in all the Philosophies really. That we go 'home' as pure as we left but with Knowledge so that we can now see it ....and so it has relevence and so it is right, the changing of the Serpents meaning is where we came to be unclean and unworthy*. Beggers.
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Only in our own minds. ;)

*bold mine
 
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