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Repeal and Replace?

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Romney is claiming to want to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act. The ACA contains a lot of things that people like and one thing that a lot of people don't like. So, ok Mitt, tell us what the replacement looks like before we fall for what you clearly intend to be "Repeal and pretend to have a replacement for"....

The devil is in the details and I would suggest that those who would support Mitt ask for those details before you fall for the same old republican policy of pretending to be in favor of something they have no intention of actually implementing. My proof is that the size of government has increased every year a republican is in control, the republicans have been horrible at fiscal management and there are a host of other planks of their suggested policies that they have done nothing on.

The only thing you can count on is that they will cut taxes and they will dangerously deregulate industries that we will bailout when the deregulation goes south on us.....
 
tell ya what if you can Obama to figutre whether or not it is a tax on people if the dont pay...then you can keep it
 
So you don't have anything to contribute on Romney's claim to want to repeal and replace?

I don't really care if someone with no insurance gets taxed to help pay the cost of their next visit to the E/R....that is just a matter of them being responsible for themselves. The insurance exchanges will help them with the cost of a policy. There is no excuse for not having insurance.
 
Kinda like Brewer claiming victory over the SC decision on Arizona's immigration law....The scoreboard reads Obama 3 Brewer 1 and she says she won.
 
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1. None of the Right ever "defend" Romney...they always bring up the President instead. Sort of the proof that...they don't really like the guy or support him. He's just "the default".


2. Romney LIKED today's ruling. He can talk "Repealing"...and keep his "Replacement" vague and nebulous (like his plans for undocumented workers already living in the US). We've had a PJ Righty admit it...they WANTED the law upheld...for an "issue". Their objections to it are secondary, if not irrelevatn.
 
People hate this legislation, plain and simple. If you were to avearage all the polls together that have been taken since this piece of crap was passed they are overwhelmingly in favor of getting rid of it.

Are there things people like in it? Sure. All things that would have passed as stand alone measures with bi-partisan support but the Democrats did not take that path. Had they, they may still be in charge of the house.

If this legislation is so popular lets see the President now run on it. Let this election be about the economy how great this plan is.

Last I checked the President rarely even mentions his signature piece of legislation........I think we all know why even if the Democrats will never adimit. It sucks, they lied to get it passed and the majority of Americans hate it.
 
Sickofleft said:
People hate this legislation, plain and simple. If you were to avearage all the polls together that have been taken since this piece of crap was passed they are overwhelmingly in favor of getting rid of it.

Are there things people like in it? Sure. All things that would have passed as stand along measures with bi-partisan support but the Democrats did not take that path. Had they, they may still be in charge of the house.

If this legislation is so popular lets see the President now run on it. Let this election be about the economy how great this plan is.

Last I checked the President rarely even mentions his signature piece of legislation........I think we all know why even if the Democrats will never adimit. It sucks, they lied to get it passed and the majority of Americans hate it.
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GordonGecko said:
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1. None of the Right ever "defend" Romney...they always bring up the President instead. Sort of the proof that...they don't really like the guy or support him. He's just "the default".
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See? "President" "Democrats" "President"
 
GordonGecko said:
middle

1. None of the Right ever "defend" Romney...they always bring up the President instead. Sort of the proof that...they don't really like the guy or support him. He's just "the default".


2. Romney LIKED today's ruling. He can talk "Repealing"...and keep his "Replacement" vague and nebulous (like his plans for undocumented workers already living in the US). We've had a PJ Righty admit it...they WANTED the law upheld...for an "issue". Their objections to it are secondary, if not irrelevatn.
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Middle,
1) None on the left ever bring up the President, his economic record or anything else he has done. It's Mitt 24/7 as if he is running against an empty suit in the Oval.......oh wait he is.

2) Romney did like todays ruling, either way it was going to help him. Perhaps todays helps him more because now the only way to get rid of this legislation is to elect a Republican President.
 
GordonGecko said:
See? "President" "Democrats" "President"
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See...never talk about the actual Presidents legislation or how much people actual hate it..just talk about the two things people like and focus on that just like the DNC pamphlets tell you....

Good boy..Gordo...Good boy.....
 
The only thing people seem to oppose is the mandate. The funny thing is that the right was in favor of it until it became part of the law. I'd be in favor of re-examining that part of the bill. Everything else is overwhelmingly supported. I was worried that I wouldn't be able to keep my son on my plan after he graduated from college. The pre-existing and recision parts of the bill are also widely supported.

I find it funny that Mitt sounds like he is condemning his own legislation in Massachusetts....every single point he makes as he is criticising the ACA could be made against RomneyCare....
 
middleview said:
The only thing people seem to oppose is the mandate. The funny thing is that the right was in favor of it until it became part of the law. I'd be in favor of re-examining that part of the bill. Everything else is overwhelmingly supported. I was worried that I wouldn't be able to keep my son on my plan after he graduated from college. The pre-existing and recision parts of the bill are also widely supported.

I find it funny that Mitt sounds like he is condemning his own legislation in Massachusetts....every single point he makes as he is criticising the ACA could be made against RomneyCare....
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Everything else is NOT overwhelmingly supported, IPAB panel, the double counting of the Medicare funds, the gutting of Medicare to begin with, the Corhusker kickback (to get the thing passed in the first place). The fact that the President lied repeatedly when he stated "if you like the health care you have now you can keep it".... CBO estimates upwards of 20 million people (perhaps even more) will be dumped from employee insurance into these exchanges. etc. etc. etc.

Not to mention the repeated toll it takes on small buisness when it comes to taxes especially in this economy. It is nothing but a paved road to bankruptcy for the entire country.

OBAMA BIDEN 2012 STOCKTON HERE WE COME!!
 
1. Insurance companies make decisions all the time on things that will or won't be covered. It is entirely equivalent to the IPAB.

The Independent Payment Advisory Board, or IPAB, is a fifteen-member United States Government agency created in 2010 by sections 3403 and 10320 of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act which has the explicit task of achieving specified savings in Medicare without affecting coverage or quality. Under previous and current law, changes to Medicare payment rates and program rules are recommended by MedPAC but require an act of Congress to take effect. The new system grants IPAB the authority to make changes to the Medicare program with the Congress being given the power to overrule the agency's decisions.

If people don't like the IPAB it is because they've been told it is the "Death Panel" which is such complete bullshit that it is really quite evident of the right wing tendency to lie if they don't have a leg to stand on.

2. Taxes have gone down.

3. The people who will probably lose the policies they have are primarily on plans called MiniMed insurance. It is such a complete rip off it is hard to believe anyone likes them except for companies like McDonalds where they got a kickback from the insurance companies for carrying them. Dude, they cost $500 per year for $1000 of max coverage. Very profitable for the insurance company.
 
middle, consider this too...

if the Right and Repubs go with "It's a tax"?...that means admitting Mitt Romney RAISED TAXES when he implemented HIS health care reform with an individual mandate.
 
3. The people who will probably lose the policies they have are primarily on plans called MiniMed insurance. It is such a complete rip off it is hard to believe anyone likes them except for companies like McDonalds where they got a kickback from the insurance companies for carrying them. Dude, they cost $500 per year for $1000 of max coverage. Very profitable for the insurance company.

When, and or if this god awful legislation takes full effect. We will re-visit this topic and I think you are going to be shocked to see how many MILLIONS OF PEOPLE. Not on the "mini-med" plans are dumped into these Goverment exchanges.

In the meantime, please have the President run his re-election how great this plan is, how great the economy is and his foreign policy. Please I beg you.
 
middleview said:
Romney is claiming to want to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act. The ACA contains a lot of things that people like and one thing that a lot of people don't like. So, ok Mitt, tell us what the replacement looks like before we fall for what you clearly intend to be "Repeal and pretend to have a replacement for"....

The devil is in the details and I would suggest that those who would support Mitt ask for those details before you fall for the same old republican policy of pretending to be in favor of something they have no intention of actually implementing. My proof is that the size of government has increased every year a republican is in control, the republicans have been horrible at fiscal management and there are a host of other planks of their suggested policies that they have done nothing on.

The only thing you can count on is that they will cut taxes and they will dangerously deregulate industries that we will bailout when the deregulation goes south on us.....
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If Romney and the Republicans want to repeal and replace the ACA with single payer, they might even get bipartisan support. I know I'd be interested.
 
middleview said:
Romney is claiming to want to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act. The ACA contains a lot of things that people like and one thing that a lot of people don't like. So, ok Mitt, tell us what the replacement looks like before we fall for what you clearly intend to be "Repeal and pretend to have a replacement for"....

The devil is in the details and I would suggest that those who would support Mitt ask for those details before you fall for the same old republican policy of pretending to be in favor of something they have no intention of actually implementing. My proof is that the size of government has increased every year a republican is in control, the republicans have been horrible at fiscal management and there are a host of other planks of their suggested policies that they have done nothing on.

The only thing you can count on is that they will cut taxes and they will dangerously deregulate industries that we will bailout when the deregulation goes south on us.....
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Now, now, middle, be patient and just elect Romoney and then he'll let the Kochs tell you what he's going to do.
 
middleview said:
The only thing people seem to oppose is the mandate. The funny thing is that the right was in favor of it until it became part of the law. I'd be in favor of re-examining that part of the bill. Everything else is overwhelmingly supported. I was worried that I wouldn't be able to keep my son on my plan after he graduated from college. The pre-existing and recision parts of the bill are also widely supported.

I find it funny that Mitt sounds like he is condemning his own legislation in Massachusetts....every single point he makes as he is criticising the ACA could be made against RomneyCare....
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Isn't there a difference between supporting a HC plan on a state level vs a national one?
 
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