RIP Department of Education: 12/31/2018

[georgephillip]

Was Betsy confirmed to abolish the Department of Education?
If so, how will its demise affect the quality of public education?

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...bject=is-melania-trump-boycotting-her-husband

"On the same day the Senate confirmed President Trump’s secretary of Education pick by a historically narrow margin, a House Republican introduced legislation to abolish the entire department Betsy DeVos will lead.

"Kentucky Rep. Thomas Massie’s bill is only a page long, after merely stating the Department of Education would terminate on Dec. 31, 2018.

"Massie believes that policymakers at the state and local levels should be responsible for education policy, instead of a federal agency that’s been in place since 1980."

 

[marvin martian]

Was Betsy confirmed to abolish the Department of Education?
If so, how will its demise affect the quality of public education?

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...bject=is-melania-trump-boycotting-her-husband

"On the same day the Senate confirmed President Trump’s secretary of Education pick by a historically narrow margin, a House Republican introduced legislation to abolish the entire department Betsy DeVos will lead.

"Kentucky Rep. Thomas Massie’s bill is only a page long, after merely stating the Department of Education would terminate on Dec. 31, 2018.

"Massie believes that policymakers at the state and local levels should be responsible for education policy, instead of a federal agency that’s been in place since 1980."

This would be fantastic! I hope it happens.

 

[georgephillip]

This would be fantastic! I hope it happens.

Does this sound promising to you?

"They’ll be able to slice and dice, selling off our public schools under the guise of 'state control.' Now that public school funding can be used to create a network of new Christian schools and, as Betsy Devos says, 'advance the kingdom of God.'”

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...bject=is-melania-trump-boycotting-her-husband

 

[connieb]

Was Betsy confirmed to abolish the Department of Education?
If so, how will its demise affect the quality of public education?

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...bject=is-melania-trump-boycotting-her-husband

"On the same day the Senate confirmed President Trump’s secretary of Education pick by a historically narrow margin, a House Republican introduced legislation to abolish the entire department Betsy DeVos will lead.

"Kentucky Rep. Thomas Massie’s bill is only a page long, after merely stating the Department of Education would terminate on Dec. 31, 2018.

"Massie believes that policymakers at the state and local levels should be responsible for education policy, instead of a federal agency that’s been in place since 1980."

Awesome. So much expense just to run the department for what? So they can tell local schools who can use what bathrooms? No thanks. Buh bye.

 

[georgephillip]

Awesome. So much expense just to run the department for what? So they can tell local schools who can use what bathrooms? No thanks. Buh bye.

Do you see any threat to separation of church and state?

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...bject=is-melania-trump-boycotting-her-husband

"Asked whether Christian schools should continue to rely on giving—rather than pushing for taxpayer money through vouchers—Betsy DeVos replied, 'There are not enough philanthropic dollars in America to fund what is currently the need in education...Our desire is to confront the culture in ways that will continue to advance God's kingdom.'

"Added Dick DeVos: 'As we look at many communities in our country, the church has been displaced by the public school as the center for activity...t is certainly our hope that more and more churches will get more and more active and engaged in education.'"

 

[marvin martian]

Does this sound promising to you?

"They’ll be able to slice and dice, selling off our public schools under the guise of 'state control.' Now that public school funding can be used to create a network of new Christian schools and, as Betsy Devos says, 'advance the kingdom of God.'”

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...bject=is-melania-trump-boycotting-her-husband

That's just inflammatory, anti-civil rights rhetoric, typical of the progreSSive left. I hope you don't actually buy it. At any rate, eliminating the useless Federal Department of Education would be a boon for states' rights, and would put education oversight where it belongs.

 

[georgephillip]

That's just inflammatory, anti-civil rights rhetoric, typical of the progreSSive left. I hope you don't actually buy it. At any rate, eliminating the useless Federal Department of Education would be a boon for states' rights, and would put education oversight where it belongs.

Would it put tax dollars into religious schools if that was what a majority of local parents wanted?

 

[connieb]

Do you see any threat to separation of church and state?

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...bject=is-melania-trump-boycotting-her-husband

"Asked whether Christian schools should continue to rely on giving—rather than pushing for taxpayer money through vouchers—Betsy DeVos replied, 'There are not enough philanthropic dollars in America to fund what is currently the need in education...Our desire is to confront the culture in ways that will continue to advance God's kingdom.'

"Added Dick DeVos: 'As we look at many communities in our country, the church has been displaced by the public school as the center for activity...t is certainly our hope that more and more churches will get more and more active and engaged in education.'"

No. That is just the usual liberal hysteria and smear game.

Local control is local control. It is how the educational system was run in this country until the 80's. You know.. the time when we produced the people who sent astronauts to the moon, who built the atomic bomb..... major achievements at the time.....

 

[connieb]

Would it put tax dollars into religious schools if that was what a majority of local parents wanted?

What it should do is put vouchers - which are a return of a family's tax money - back in their hands so they could chose the educational option that best suited their family. How they use that subsidy is their business.

 

[marvin martian]

Would it put tax dollars into religious schools if that was what a majority of local parents wanted?

It all comes down to choice. Parents must be given the choice of how to educate their children. A government apparatus that doesn't interfere with this freedom is off to a good start. The current Federal Department of Education serves no useful purpose. It exists solely to perpetuate itself.

 

[resident_evil]

Was Betsy confirmed to abolish the Department of Education?
If so, how will its demise affect the quality of public education?

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...bject=is-melania-trump-boycotting-her-husband

"On the same day the Senate confirmed President Trump’s secretary of Education pick by a historically narrow margin, a House Republican introduced legislation to abolish the entire department Betsy DeVos will lead.

"Kentucky Rep. Thomas Massie’s bill is only a page long, after merely stating the Department of Education would terminate on Dec. 31, 2018.

"Massie believes that policymakers at the state and local levels should be responsible for education policy, instead of a federal agency that’s been in place since 1980."

Take Federal money out of the equation and tuition will either stabilize or maybe even drop. So that once again an education may become affordable.

 

[georgephillip]

No. That is just the usual liberal hysteria and smear game.

Local control is local control. It is how the educational system was run in this country until the 80's. You know.. the time when we produced the people who sent astronauts to the moon, who built the atomic bomb..... major achievements at the time.....

If Dick and Betsy get their way, do you believe there will be $102.3 billion less spent every year on US education by 12/31/2018?

 

[georgephillip]

Take Federal money out of the equation and tuition will either stabilize or maybe even drop. So that once again an education may become affordable.

How did you arrive at the conclusion?
The federal government contributed over $100 billion to education in 2015. How will eliminating those dollars lower the cost of education?

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/da...ral-education-funding-where-does-the-money-go

"Government spending on education has surged over the last decade and a half, with money being funneled to federal programs for low-income students, students with disabilities and a slate of competitions that the Obama administration launched through the economic stimulus package.."

 

[georgephillip]

It all comes down to choice. Parents must be given the choice of how to educate their children. A government apparatus that doesn't interfere with this freedom is off to a good start. The current Federal Department of Education serves no useful purpose. It exists solely to perpetuate itself.

It pumped over $100 billion into US education in 2015.
Where will you go to replace those missing dollars if it is done away with?

 

[georgephillip]

What it should do is put vouchers - which are a return of a family's tax money - back in their hands so they could chose the educational option that best suited their family. How they use that subsidy is their business.

What about the 40% of American families that don't earn enough to pay income taxes? How will their children's educational opportunities be affected?

 

[connieb]

If Dick and Betsy get their way, do you believe there will be $102.3 billion less spent every year on US education by 12/31/2018?

No. Because the states would raise the rates and spend the money.

How silly. Its like you all ignore we produced some of the greatest scientific minds, some of the greatest titans of industry and some of the coolest cutting edge science all BEFORE education was under federal control.

 

[connieb]

What about the 40% of American families that don't earn enough to pay income taxes? How will their children's educational opportunities be affected?

They too can get a voucher based on some percentage of the per-capita student cost in their district. And, do with that as they want to. With that and scholarships they may well get into good private schools they could not otherwise afford and be given the chance to succeed instead of spending all day being only exposed to other economic losers.

 

[freyasman]

Was Betsy confirmed to abolish the Department of Education?
If so, how will its demise affect the quality of public education?

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...bject=is-melania-trump-boycotting-her-husband

"On the same day the Senate confirmed President Trump’s secretary of Education pick by a historically narrow margin, a House Republican introduced legislation to abolish the entire department Betsy DeVos will lead.

"Kentucky Rep. Thomas Massie’s bill is only a page long, after merely stating the Department of Education would terminate on Dec. 31, 2018.

"Massie believes that policymakers at the state and local levels should be responsible for education policy, instead of a federal agency that’s been in place since 1980."

Can public schools actually get any worse? I'm a high school dropout with a GED and the ignorance I encounter daily from most people under 30 or so is freaking astounding.

 

[freyasman]

It pumped over $100 billion into US education in 2015.
Where will you go to replace those missing dollars if it is done away with?

Where did that 100 billion go? Because the schools suck....

 

[georgephillip]

No. Because the states would raise the rates and spend the money.

How silly. Its like you all ignore we produced some of the greatest scientific minds, some of the greatest titans of industry and some of the coolest cutting edge science all BEFORE education was under federal control.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google

The internet owes a great deal to great minds, of which there are always a few, functioning after 1980.

I have a suspicion Betsy and Dick are more concerned with establishing a for-profit model of education.

"Google is an American multinational technology company specializing in Internet-related services and products that include online advertising technologies, search, cloud computing, software, and hardware.

"Google was founded in 1996 by Larry Page and Sergey Brin while they were Ph.D. students at Stanford University, California. Together, they own about 14 percent of its shares and control 56 percent of the stockholder voting power through supervoting stock. They incorporated Google as a privately held company on September 4, 1998. An initial public offering (IPO) took place on August 19, 2004, and Google moved to its new headquarters in Mountain View, California, nicknamed the Googleplex.[6]"