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Romney straightened out some myths that the Obama campaign has spread about him.

It was an excellent debate....... Romney kept his eyes on Obama while Obama looked down and hesitated to look at Romney. Obama was on defense and that is how it needed to be.

It was a good debate.:usa2:
 
President Obama won on the facts. I know that facts are irrelevant to Romney's supporters, but he obviously didn't need to win them over.
 
Romney won in every aspect. The President had to ask Lehrer to "change the subject". Obama has never been faced with questions and he just didn't stand up to the heat. Even Democrats are giving it to Romney hands down.

Even Bill Maher said Romney won. LINK Maher realizes that Obama really does need a teleprompter. And he does.

Your President was exposed tonight for the empty suit he is.

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Congratulations and enjoy the moment now Jen, cause when the fact checkers get done with chameleon Romney, you won't have much to celebrate. ;)
 
Jen said:
Romney straightened out some myths that the Obama campaign has spread about him.

It was an excellent debate....... Romney kept his eyes on Obama while Obama looked down and hesitated to look at Romney. Obama was on defense and that is how it needed to be.

It was a good debate.:usa2:
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Really JEN? what were they? The only thing I saw was Romney saying things that he is on record as being 180 degrees different.
To lie is OK if you don't get caught I guess, but when they have you on tape and on TV saying what you just changed, it's not going to be so easy. But please tell us what lies Obama has been telling about Romney! We will be glad to fact check it for you!
 
Maher gave a million bucks to the Obama campaign.

Sure he is "independent", Arkady.:nod:
 
You might need to worry more about Obama's lies. Romney went through his points and Obama regurgitated the points he was fed and were memorized (which weren't the same as the "true" points). I think Obama will be the loser on fact check too.

Judy1 said:
Congratulations and enjoy the moment now Jen, cause when the fact checkers get done with chameleon Romney, you won't have much to celebrate. ;)
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Well, at least you, IRP and a few others will think Obama won no matter who thinks otherwise. obama needs that. Good for you.

888888 said:
Really JEN? what were they? The only thing I saw was Romney saying things that he is on record as being 180 degrees different.
To lie is OK if you don't get caught I guess, but when they have you on tape and on TV saying what you just changed, it's not going to be so easy. But please tell us what lies Obama has been telling about Romney! We will be glad to fact check it for you!
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He's a registered independent. You didn't say "Obama donors."You said "Democrats." Please try to stay on topic.
 
Romney didn't straighten anything out. What he did was set himself up for "Now and Then" ads. All over the place, Sorry a 20% cut in $16Tr in spending is $5.2 Trillion. And Romney can't run away from that.

That said Romney did well. He solidified his based and threw some punches. But he didn't do well enough with women. Obama did what he needed to do to win CO.
 
This was funny.. and more so considering who the moderator was.

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Romney: “I love Big Bird”

The candidates were asked what they would do to cut waste out of the federal budget and each took a decidedly different approach. But the most memorable response goes to Romney, who took a direct shot at the beloved "Sesame Street" character, Big Bird.

"I'm sorry, Jim, I'm going to stop the subsidy to PBS," Romney said to debate moderator Jim Lehrer. "I'm going to stop other things. I like PBS, I love Big Bird. Actually I like you, too. But I'm not going to -- I'm not going to keep on spending money on things to borrow money from China to pay for [it]."

Obama did not specifically defend PBS, but instead gave a more general answer about his efforts to cut government spending: "We went after medical fraud in Medicare and Medicaid very aggressively, more aggressively than ever before, and have saved tens of billions of dollars, $50 billion of waste taken out of the system."
The president continued: "I worked with Democrats and Republicans to cut a trillion dollars out of our discretionary domestic budget. That's the largest cut in the discretionary domestic budget since Dwight Eisenhower."
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/romney-love-big-bird-020014103--election.html
 
Jen said:
Well, at least you, IRP and a few others will think Obama won no matter who thinks otherwise. obama needs that. Good for you.
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No Jen. Obama did not win the debate generally.. but he did what he needed to do in the swing state of CO - winning women.

That does not change that Romney, while doing better than expected, did not really restart his campaign. And Romney just opened himself up for a slew of "before and after" ads. Ads that may take some of his base into demotivational territory.

After all, Romney just disavowed his spending cut plan of 20%..
 
Jen said:
You might need to worry more about Obama's lies. Romney went through his points and Obama regurgitated the points he was fed and were memorized (which weren't the same as the "true" points). I think Obama will be the loser on fact check too.
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Um no Jen. Obama didn't lie about anything. And Romney did play fast and loose. The most egregious being the "I won't cut $5 Trillion"... Um pray tell what is 20% of $15 Tril.
 
Since I react to things based on facts and figures, not the kind of emotional reaction that most people decide on, I don't have any meaningful opinion on who won the debate. I'm just no good at gauging what normal people find appealing. But, just in terms of what I've seen in the meta commentary and the instapolls, it looks like a Romney win, which is consistent with my predictions about Romney being a decent and practiced debater, and Obama not being skilled enough to outweigh the effect of being less practiced. After seeing how Obama got schooled by Hillary Clinton I was worried, and it seems I was right to be. Still, it wasn't a must-win for Obama the way it was for Romney. And there's hope that even in winning the night Romney further hurt his campaign, by giving fodder to flip-flopper ads and merciless fact-checking.
 
Arkady said:
Since I react to things based on facts and figures, not the kind of emotional reaction that most people decide on, I don't have any meaningful opinion on who won the debate. I'm just no good at gauging what normal people find appealing. But, just in terms of what I've seen in the meta commentary and the instapolls, it looks like a Romney win, which is consistent with my predictions about Romney being a decent and practiced debater, and Obama not being skilled enough to outweigh the effect of being less practiced. After seeing how Obama got schooled by Hillary Clinton I was worried, and it seems I was right to be. Still, it wasn't a must-win for Obama the way it was for Romney. And there's hope that even in winning the night Romney further hurt his campaign, by giving fodder to flip-flopper ads and merciless fact-checking.
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if to win the debate one has to totally reverse his/her positions, that is not much of a win. I guess Obama was just stunned how easily Romney disavowed the positions he had the other day.
 
I don't think it was a quesiton of debate experience/practice. rather Ark, I think its political pundits wanting to see "go for the jugular" when Obama's GOAL was to specifically not do so.

Obama came across as more likeable. And that's what he's focussed on.

Obama came across as the more reasonable, And that's what he's focussed on

Obama came across as the more cooperative And that's what he's focussed on


Because it is those three things that have had him Ahead of Romney since the outset.
 
degsme said:
I don't think it was a quesiton of debate experience/practice. rather Ark, I think its political pundits wanting to see "go for the jugular" when Obama's GOAL was to specifically not do so.

Obama came across as more likeable. And that's what he's focussed on.

Obama came across as the more reasonable, And that's what he's focussed on

Obama came across as the more cooperative And that's what he's focussed on


Because it is those three things that have had him Ahead of Romney since the outset.
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That's fine, if that strategy works. If almost everybody says he lost the debate, but Mitt doesn't get any kind of bump in the polls, then it was a big win for Obama in the big picture. But if Romney gets a big bump in he polls, gets a bump in fundraising, and things are suddenly much closer, then it looks like a weak strategy. Or, maybe, a weak debater. At this point, I am hoping for a very strong jobs report at the end of the week to change the subject.
 
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