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That's the old Newt line....but it works for Scalia as well.

One thing you have to say about Scalia...he's fairly predictable. Little chance of him EVER breaking with rightwing orthodoxy even if it contradicts something else in rightwing orthodoxy.
 
Hmm, the state-run media has issued marching orders to smear Scalia. I guess the Obamacare decision isn't going to go their way after all...
 
He's a grumpy old man,driven by political ideology,not judicial philosophy.
 
Exactly. One thought experiment is to imagine how the court would be different if you took Scalia off the bench and replaced him with Rush Limbaugh. I think the answer is that it would be pretty much unchanged. The seat's vote on pretty much every major case would be identical, as would the rightwing orthodoxy underpinning the opinions, and even the tone of cranky old white dude privilege. As long as Limbaugh had the good sense to let his law clerks dress up his half-baked rants with case citations and big words, the change would be difficult to spot.
 
"Marvin Martian" is an appropriate label for someone posting from some other planet where Salon.com is "state-run media." However, I'm on Earth, and I prefer to stick to the facts as they exist on our planet.
 
"...a man who obviously no longer cares that he sounds increasingly like a right-wing talk radio host rather than a justice of the Supreme Court, and that his dissents are starting to read more like hastily drafted blog posts than sober judicial opinions."
 
"Marvin Martian" is an appropriate label for someone posting from some other planet where Salon.com is "state-run media." However, I'm on Earth, and I prefer to stick to the facts as they exist on our planet.

Yes, I'm sure they're just a ragtag bunch of renegade "journalists" who only coincidentally believe and reprint every word that tumbles out of Jay Carney's mouth...
 
That would be nice.

It's funny -- my idealism actually survived law school. Despite reading countless cases, including dozens of oft-ugly Constitutional Law cases, I left law school with the feeling that justices generally did their best to interpret the law in accordance with their judicial principles. Although I might disagree strongly with Scalia's principles, I genuinely thought he had some. Starting with Bush v. Gore, the five conservatives on the Supreme Court systematically disabused me of any idealism.

It wasn't just that the case was indefensible on its legal merits (even its semi-defenders, like Judge Richard Posner, didn't try to argue for it on its actual legal reasoning). It's that even if its legal arguments held together, they would have been exactly contrary to everything that the five conservatives had pretended to believe through most of their writings, over the course of their careers. Countless times they'd dodged cases that demanded a liberal outcome by claiming it was a political question, or settling on some failing of standing or other technical reason to decline to hear the case. But on Bush v. Gore they jumped into the fray. Countless times they'd argued the importance of states rights. In Bush v. Gore, they trampled a state's traditional right to manage its own elections. Countless times they'd argued against broad new readings of Constitutional language. In Bush v. Gore they came up with by far the broadest and least precedented reading of Equal Protection in history. Generally they'd fought for judicial minimalism, but in Bush v. Gore they stopped counting with an emergency order then made a ruling that went far beyond what was needed even to implement the supposed principles of law they'd just invented. And they even went so far as to announce it was a one-off ruling, that they warned courts never to think of using again -- a kind of one-time Constitutional principle for the sole benefit of George W. Bush. It was like a giant sign saying "principles don't matter one little bit to us, political outcomes do."

Even after Bush v. Gore, my shredded idealism survived in a traumatized state. I thought it was a one-time bit of insanity. But there were a string of cases like that, culminating in Citizens United, which destroyed those surviving shreds of respect I once had for the institution. Now I see it as nothing but a vehicle for five Republican operatives to legislate matters that the GOP hasn't been able to win in the Congress. So, I fully expect those same Republicans to strike down the individual mandate. It doesn't matter that there's absolutely no honest legal argument for striking it down. It just matters that the GOP feels strongly about it and lost in the Congress, so the five traitors on the bench will step in and impose the party's political will on the nation.
 
Great line, no? He really does sound a lot like a Rush Limbaugh rant that's been sloppily annotated by a Federalist Society law clerk.
 
That would be nice.

It's funny -- my idealism actually survived law school. Despite reading countless cases, including dozens of oft-ugly Constitutional Law cases, I left law school with the feeling that justices generally did their best to interpret the law in accordance with their judicial principles. Although I might disagree strongly with Scalia's principles, I genuinely thought he had some. Starting with Bush v. Gore, the five conservatives on the Supreme Court systematically disabused me of any idealism.

It wasn't just that the case was indefensible on its legal merits (even its semi-defenders, like Judge Richard Posner, didn't try to argue for it on its actual legal reasoning). It's that even if its legal arguments held together, they would have been exactly contrary to everything that the five conservatives had pretended to believe through most of their writings, over the course of their careers. Countless times they'd dodged cases that demanded a liberal outcome by claiming it was a political question, or settling on some failing of standing or other technical reason to decline to hear the case. But on Bush v. Gore they jumped into the fray. Countless times they'd argued the importance of states rights. In Bush v. Gore, they trampled a state's traditional right to manage its own elections. Countless times they'd argued against broad new readings of Constitutional language. In Bush v. Gore they came up with by far the broadest and least precedented reading of Equal Protection in history. Generally they'd fought for judicial minimalism, but in Bush v. Gore they stopped counting with an emergency order then made a ruling that went far beyond what was needed even to implement the supposed principles of law they'd just invented. And they even went so far as to announce it was a one-off ruling, that they warned courts never to think of using again -- a kind of one-time Constitutional principle for the sole benefit of George W. Bush. It was like a giant sign saying "principles don't matter one little bit to us, political outcomes do."

Even after Bush v. Gore, my shredded idealism survived in a traumatized state. I thought it was a one-time bit of insanity. But there were a string of cases like that, culminating in Citizens United, which destroyed those surviving shreds of respect I once had for the institution. Now I see it as nothing but a vehicle for five Republican operatives to legislate matters that the GOP hasn't been able to win in the Congress. So, I fully expect those same Republicans to strike down the individual mandate. It doesn't matter that there's absolutely no honest legal argument for striking it down. It just matters that the GOP feels strongly about it and lost in the Congress, so the five traitors on the bench will step in and impose the party's political will on the nation.

I just can not believable that a Supreme Court justice, even a nutjob like Scalia who takes whatever legal position justifies the outcome he wants is openly disputing federalism 150 years after the Civil War.
Next time , it’ll be “secession is totally OK"
 
When I was in law school in the mid 80's,I made a comment in Constitutional Law class one day to the effect that "What is and what isn't constitutional depends on who the SCOTUS Justices are at that point in time." The professor assured the class that wasn't so and proceeded to tell us in a very academic and idealistic way why it wasn't so.
 
When members of SCOTUS deteriorate to the point where they can’t maintain their dignity, shouldn’t we have a way to remove them?

Thomas would have been gone long ago...

That guy is horrible, I mean damn...he just sits there and sometimes goes to sleep...

This generations Unite States Supreme Court is a farce, a travesty of government and a blight on a grand nations history
 
Yes, I'm sure they're just a ragtag bunch of renegade "journalists" who only coincidentally believe and reprint every word that tumbles out of Jay Carney's mouth...

Here's a bit of free advice for you. If you don't want to sound like a prating imbecile, actually learn a little something about the things you comment on. Only someone with a near-total unfamiliarity with Salon.com could claim that it reprints every word the White House press secretary says. In reality, Salon.com has been home to some incredibly harsh criticism of the Obama administration. They do, indeed, have plenty of renegade journalists.

Here -- to get you started rising out of your state of humiliating ignorance, I'll point you to a few examples:

http://www.salon.com/2012/06/25/collapsing_u_s_credibility/
http://www.salon.com/2012/05/14/chomsky_on_obama/
http://www.salon.com/2012/06/21/are_liberals_national_security_hypocrites/singleton/

Your mistake is easy enough to understand. Right-wingers are typically intellectually pathetic creatures who cower within media echo chambers, where they can be assured of hearing only consistent partisan messages that reinforce their own prejudices. That means never having to hear attacks on their own dear leaders. Because of their weakness, these right wingers simply assume lefties are similar. Thus, if I post something from Salon.com, one of these right-wingers can be expected to conclude Salon.com is just the Democratic equivalent of the GOP talking-points outlets he favors. He'll figure that since his own preferred outlets merely publish recrafted versions of official GOP press releases, my own preferred outlets must have a similar relationship to Obama's White House.
 
Nice try, but you missed badly. Salon has always been and currently is a typical left-wing media outlet, at least as far as their "news" reporting goes. I've read it for a long time, and the standard left-wing anti-Semitism, anti-Americanism and pro-Islamist bias exists there just as it does at MSNBC, NBC, CNN and other state-run propaganda outlets.

A read of the comments section on Salon only reinforces the fact that they cater to the exact same type of bigoted, elitist "progressives" who currently sit in editorial offices at the networks and bird-cage lining publications like the New York Times and Newsweek...
 
Yes, I'm sure they're just a ragtag bunch of renegade "journalists" who only coincidentally believe and reprint every word that tumbles out of Jay Carney's mouth...

[video=youtube;0FhQxZnSqc0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FhQxZnSqc0&feature=related[/video]
 
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