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MaryAnne

MaryAnne

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We spend our days here discussing such foolish things.

While we have Priests raping boys,getting away with it. Coaches molesting boys while others turn a blind eye in the name of sports.

Children being killed not only in schools,but Malls, Movie Theaters,on the streets. Drugged Sports stars being paid millions. A Congress that is living in luxury while many go without jobs because that same Congress is too controlled by the special interest that keep them in office. A USSC that thinks Companies are people.,momey is all the we need in elections. Officals changing voting laws so they can win,forcing people to wait hours to even cast a vote. Many being cheated of that right.

All this while many moan and groan they are losing their rights to carry a gun! How many of the fools on this board really care about all this crap,or are we being led.?


When are the people going to stand up and say enough? Understand,this is not a Republican/ Democrat,as they are all involved. What are we going to do? Where is that Honest Man we search for? Are we so blind we do not see him when he is with us?

We have a corrupt Media that lies each day,drags out the latest tidbit any fool is willing to say.Where does it end? When do we stop the lying to ourselves?
 
Sadly, I think most of the folks on the board actually do care about toting a gun. We are mostly left with the wackadoodle conservatives. Even the few rational ones are sick of the likes of JackDallas, Lapcat and similar.

Nor is the media particularly corrupt. They are in business. Always have been. They sell what the CENTER wants to read for the most part. Niche vendors like Fox, WashingtonTimes, MotherJones, YogaLife etc. cater to their niche audiences. That something is in print/online/bcast does not mean its true - and that ALWAYS has been the case. Remember that "the media" in the time of Jefferson and Adams carried claims such as

one having "hideous hermaphroditical character, which has neither the force and firmness of a man, nor the gentleness and sensibility of a woman." and the other side claiming their opponent was "a mean-spirited, low-lived fellow, the son of a half-breed Indian squaw, sired by a Virginia mulatto father"

Remember that at one point one Senator tried to shoot another one ON THE FLOOR OF THE Senate.
 
Yes,Degsme,I do know this has been going on forever,and all the sins against Children just were covered up,not exposed,but how long do we sit like sheep?

The Church is corrupt and so is the media. They cheered us into war,based on lies and are still doing the same thing. Nothing would please the PTB than to have another war to slobber over. I just heard Eigene Robinson say,"We need to raise the retirement age to 70.When asked if that would not hurt the poor, more than the rich,Eugene actually laughed.
 
Is that a Princess Diana rose? It sure looks like one. They are a truly beautiful hybrid.

What country is turning its back on God, and which god is it? How can you turn your back on a being that is supposed to be everywhere?

Never mind, I see that it isn't a Diana...

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What has happened in the name of God over the ages should not make one believe the answers are in the teachings of God.
The goodness that one should have in their being, is not one that should have to be learned but one that people are born with. Meanness, greed, selfishness, superiority are learned, and many have done a very good job of learning this in life.
 
jammer said:
Is that a Princess Diana rose? It sure looks like one. They are a truly beautiful hybrid.

What country is turning its back on God, and which god is it? How can you turn your back on a being that is supposed to be everywhere?

Never mind, I see that it isn't a Diana...

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It's a rose that my sister saved after my mom passed, it's probably 40 years old and is one that also smells good. Just a small family treasure we cherish.
 
Bernard_Fokke said:
This is what happens when a country starts to turn away from God and looses its values.

Here's a pic you might appreciate


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Thanks Bernard! Many Churches themselves have turned away from God.They have become money grabbers,and have been used to distort so much!

This is coming from a Church goer,who is watching it happen first hand.Read 2ND Corinthians, fifth verse about the wisdom of man vs. the wisdom of God. I spoke about how the Churches are corrupted,so please explain.
 
Bernard_Fokke said:
It's a rose that my sister saved after my mom passed, it's probably 40 years old and is one that also smells good. Just a small family treasure we cherish.
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Beautiful,Bernard. You may not know,but Red Cloud wrote a lovely poem about my red roses.

Addy found that avatar for me.I am concerned about her. She has not posted for a long time.
 
So as an agnostic, gun owner, freedom lover, and a guy who despises democrats and republicans equally I generally agree with your post. At the same time I think that everything in your post, ever opinion you put down is absolutely wrong. As are all of my opinions that I put down. The reason being is that there is not actual answer for any single question, there is only debate, disagreement, and compromise. I am an absolute freedom lover, which essentially equates to anarchy being sensible I realize that there is a role and a place for government, opinions and ideals to be expressed through law. Which in turn negates actual freedom.


That being said, how there is such minimal prosecution and exemption from law for molestors, particularely from the church, is beyond me. It is a human trait, to carry out such acts against another human, but still needs to be punishable to the highest degree we have seen fit. There is no way to stop it, prevent it, or ensure it never happens again. It will always happen regardless of what we try to do and as such is just a part of life, needless part of life.


On the issue of guns, I personally would not object to people owning tanks, jets, stinger missle launchers, or even nukes. Sounds extreme right? It is, I have often struggled with the notion that I can think that way. Then I realize why I think that way, I am that absolute advocate of freedom. Now if you're still reading :D I am also a realist, and thankfully not everyone is as staunch of an advocate for freedom. That is why we have rules and regulations in place in this country to prevent things from going haywire. I do support that in its entirety, because it is a voice of freedom when a group of people sit down and say "Hey, we need laws and we need to curtail this." I have objected only to the "assault weapons ban" and the extended magazine proposals. The rest I have generally supported whole heartedly, even though I do personally feel that there is massive potential for invasions into peoples privacy and further limitations of their freedoms. Why do I support it? Simply because the majority of US citizens also support it and feel pationately about it, however there are some things I personally can't support.


That means that I am more than willing to compromise, on a personal level, with others to achieve some sort of change in the current system. That does not mean concede to the gun control advocates every demand or idea. That does mean I care, I hope you can see that because I don't know how else to blatantly point it out. I certainly under stand gun control advocates points, and I agree that limiting firearms would decrease murder rates, I don't see that large of a need to when we are talking about .00003 percent of the country killed by firearms every year. Despite what some might think, that does not mean that I don't care about what happened in Newtown, Oregon, or Colorado.



The election process is a sham, and has been for some time. The USSC's choice to see corporations as people, endangers the rights. There does need to be some major campaign finance reform, disband the electoral college, and voting rights need to be ensured for every US citizen. In the future I can certainly see some form of voter registration, given how technologically advanced we are and will be. However, there are many who would not be afforded the right to vote as we sit right now in this country due to our limited technology during the 20th century.


The media is not what it should be, and it's impossible to work in its truest form simply because people run it, and typically for a profit. With the radical networks of Fox, and MSNBC being case a point. Whenever I need a good laugh I'll flip back and forth between the two to compare sides. The gun control debates were hillarious to watch when you flip back and forth between the two stations, one extreme to the other. I got quite a kick out of it. Our media is a sham, which is sad because people take it so literally and act upon their respectable parties extremist views. It truely is human nature though, and something that won't change.


I have dealt with death frequently in my short time on this earth. Family members, friends, people I don't know. I've seen a lot, and be through a lot with it all. That has had a major influence on the way I see things. My thoughts have no bearing on preserving life at all costs, more onto living life to its fullest when a person has it. That is why I love freedom over rules or regulations.
 
The Media leads us and tells us what to be outraged about. Fox has one line of outrage, MSNBC has another and everyone else has still another. I don't know how we escape their ability to control us since any knowledge we have of what goes on in the world comes directly from that media and they can spin it any direction they choose and there is no way for us to get any "real" information if they choose to give us lies.

For example: I believe that President Obama was an honest man at one time and although I didn't agree with his vision of what should be, I do believe he was honest. But being President taints even the honest man with corruption somehow. Even the President has to pay the Media in some way - to cover him, not to cover him, to present him in the way he wants to be presented. At the end of the day, our enemy is more the Media than it is anything else.

I don't know how we stand up to that. But I do know that it is all media, not just one segment of it. We are being led to the cliff and pushed over it by those who seek viewers and profit, nothing more. Even if most of us realize it, I'm not sure it will help.
 
Really good post,a fella!

As most of us,we have all faced losses,and had to deal with them. That is a sad part of life. We go on and try to do better for our losses.

One small thing in your post caught my eye. Why does anyone need a high capacity gun,that fires so many shots at once?

As you say there are laws against tanks and other weapons. I understand sports and hunting,but a good hunter does not need 40 shots.

Greed in the Churches covered a lot of the sins against children,the same way Sports has evolved.
 
Jen said:
The Media leads us and tells us what to be outraged about. Fox has one line of outrage, MSNBC has another and everyone else has still another. I don't know how we escape their ability to control us since any knowledge we have of what goes on in the world comes directly from that media and they can spin it any direction they choose and there is no way for us to get any "real" information if they choose to give us lies.

For example: I believe that President Obama was an honest man at one time and although I didn't agree with his vision of what should be, I do believe he was honest. But being President taints even the honest man with corruption somehow. Even the President has to pay the Media in some way - to cover him, not to cover him, to present him in the way he wants to be presented. At the end of the day, our enemy is more the Media than it is anything else.

I don't know how we stand up to that. But I do know that it is all media, not just one segment of it. We are being led to the cliff and pushed over it by those who seek viewers and profit, nothing more. Even if most of us realize it, I'm not sure it will help.
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You are quite right,Jen. The media plays to the lowest base instincts of all of us. I think that is wearing thin,too.
 
And regarding the gun issue I have this to say:

I do not own a gun, I will never own one nor do I want to own one. But I do not buy into the idea that confiscating some guns or all guns will fix the problem we have with them.

I support the President's position of banning semi-automatic weapons and ammunition that allows lots of shots to be fired. Nobody needs a gun like that in their night stand to protect them from an intruder. State laws cannot and should not be violated, so whatever part of that control that can legally fall to the Federal government I do support and I agree with urging individual states to adopt some control over semi-automatic weapons.

Furthermore, I would support making all crimes committed with a gun (any gun, not just semi-automatic guns) automatically becoming Federal crimes with stiff mandatory sentences to anyone convicted of such a crime.

That leaves us with the problem of the most recent gun crimes. That crazy person who plans to commit suicide and take a lot of people down with him. Harsh mandatory sentencing mean nothing to that person.

Controlling semi-automatic guns will help some of that, but when a person is set on dying with a crowd of people, it is hard to single them out and stop it. Thirty or forty years ago we had many of our schizophrenic people locked up in asylums. Of course we don't do that now. We can medicate them so that they can live a fairly normal life. However, nobody can assure that they take their meds, and nobody can assure that they tell any doctor enough to know they need meds. With what President Obama suggested regarding doctors, the outcome is dubious. It will mean that some people do not deal with their doctors honestly enough to be helped. But President Obama's solution is at least a start.

On this board, I am not playing politics on the gun issue. I am trying to peel back the layers of the onion one layer at a time in hopes of finding a solution. Of course, we on this board aren't in charge of anything political, but I for one, and I think most of us would like to find that kernel of truth in hopes that those who do control outcomes will find it too.
 
It is wearing quite thin with me and Fox is right there in the mix with that wearing thin thing. I'm sick of all media feeding us what will get it ratings. But we do need information and there is nowhere else to get it.

MaryAnne said:
You are quite right,Jen. The media plays to the lowest base instincts of all of us. I think that is wearing thin,too.
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No,Jen,but we do have the right to speak out on common sense. I know we cannot stop all killings,but any would be worth it to me.Mental Health care is a big problem in this country. So much is hidden as if it were a shame to get help.

There has to be a combination of many things,even including Education,jobs,etc. But we do need to start.
 
Jen said:
It is wearing quite thin with me and Fox is right there in the mix with that wearing thin thing. I'm sick of all media feeding us what will get it ratings. But we do need information and there is nowhere else to get it.
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I understand ratings are going down. Old movies are good:)

I just watched the complete videos of Downton Abby,first 2 seasons, from the Library and get the new ones on the computer from Masterpiece Theater on PBS.

Now have Lark Rise To Candleford from the library. No need to watch the pundits.
 
Agree. We have to start. I don't have a huge problem with Obama's start,but it seems to have no teeth. Mostly just a "to do" list. I wish he had thought of making crimes committed with guns Federal crimes with mandatory sentences (and worked that idea around so as not to flout state rights). We do need to do something. That is for certain.

MaryAnne said:
No,Jen,but we do have the right to speak out on common sense. I know we cannot stop all killings,but any would be worth it to me.Mental Health care is a big problem in this country. So much is hidden as if it were a shame to get help.

There has to be a combination of many things,even including Education,jobs,etc. But we do need to start.
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Jen said:
Agree. We have to start. I don't have a huge problem with Obama's start,but it seems to have no teeth. Mostly just a "to do" list. I wish he had thought of making crimes committed with guns Federal crimes with mandatory sentences (and worked that idea around so as not to flout state rights). We do need to do something. That is for certain.
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Some of that may require Congress to pass laws. We need to let them know.
 
And Congress (both sides) needs to get over the infighting and do the job we sent them there and pay them handsomely to do. I'm sick of their crap.

MaryAnne said:
Some of that may require Congress to pass laws. We need to let them know.
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