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Boca

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is there any reason I should ever vote for a Democrat again? What the hell happened when I wasn't lookin'? There are still some democrats that earn my vote and support, but geezus...how much am I supposed to just look over and ignore?

I reckon some personal history is called for at this point.

I was born a Democrat. My father died a fire breathin' Democrat when I was 7 years old and he was 44. In the family album there's a picture of Dad and Mom chattin' it up with FDR and Eleanor when they visited our neck of the West Virginia woods in 1936 long before I was born. There's a picture of "Unkie " Wally and his daughter Nancy, my sometimes playmate. "Unkie" Wallace Barron would later beome Governor of West Virginia. His Attorney General was "Unkie" Bonn who lived five doors down the street.

Can't find any pictures of "Unkie" Jay or "Unkie" Bob who would stop by the house occassionally to sip a little Old Crow sour mash around our kitchen table with Dad. But, even without pictures, childhood visions and names sometimes stick with ya. Don't know exactly why that is? Maybe it was because some people are impressionable. Jennings Randolph, the late US Senator from West Virginia, and college friend of Dad, must have been impressionable on my little mind for some reason. I don't think "Unkie" Bob was even in politics at the time. I do know he laid in his coffin in the United States Capitol building not that long ago.

So...seriuosly...with that background...and votin' for Lyndon Johnson my first time as a registered Democrat and Bill Clinton once, my last time as registered Democrat, can any of you ideologically worthless pricks give me any reason to go back to my roots?

It better be damn good....
 
Sure doesn't sound like you're in Mitt Rmoney's 'class', Boca. Don't know why you would vote for him, when he would look down his long nose at you and think you're a piece of human trash. He would make fun of your cookies, ridicule your raincoat, steal your pension, and use the money to build an elevator for his (other) car.

Obama is in the tradition of FDR. Mitt Rmoney ain't. If you think he is, you need to take a closer look at the man.
 
I said it had to be a damn good reason LeRoy. Equatin' Obama with Mr. Roosevelt is actually sort of insulting....but then as you can tell I'm old school.
 
Let's see, in your Mon and dad's lifetime a rich person was someone who had a better car, more expensive house, took better vacations, and their kids had a better chance at getting to college.

Now a wealthy person is some one who can lose 100,000 in the couch and it would be like a middle class guy losing a quarter.
He owns not a house and a cabin but 8 houses, many boats, planes and much land along with their line of auto's in each home.
They set up under the tax codes they have gotten rich with, large sums of tax exempt funds for their children that means that they and their kids will never worry about anything for the rest of time.

Yeah, keep voting for a group of people who use their political power to enrich themselves by passing laws and regulations that allow them to have things that 90% of normal Americans don't have and never will. At the same time expecting the average guy to make sure the country can support their business interest by providing an infrastructure they need to run their wealthy business interest but does little to help the average guy except to survive.

Yep your pappy and mommy would be proud of you.

A ceo/business owner used to make 10/30 times what his people made, now that figure is 200/400 times. Yes by all means keep the fairness moving forward, pretty soon we will be a country of the wealthy few and the rest of us who can share the crumbs that fall off the plates of those rich bastards.
 
There's absolutely no reason to. There are not interested in steering this country in the proper direction. They demonize success, they punish innovation, and reward failure. They don't believe in American exceptionalism and are attempting to speed us in a direction that will surely end it once and for all.
 
I said it had to be a damn good reason LeRoy. Equatin' Obama with Mr. Roosevelt is actually sort of insulting....but then as you can tell I'm old school.

Schooling had little of nothing to do with your stances, if your trying to say learning is how you came to your new found beliefs that your parents never stood for.
 
Yor're not endearing me to ya, let alone giving me any reason to switch back to the snarky, ankle biting, deranged, and small minded group yer supposedly representin' here in this thread.

Maybe it was "pappy and mommy" that did it?
 
There's absolutely no reason to. There are not interested in steering this country in the proper direction. They demonize success, they punish innovation, and reward failure. They don't believe in American exceptionalism and are attempting to speed us in a direction that will surely end it once and for all.

That's a crock of SHT. What were saying is fairness is what this country needs. Using your wealth to pass laws so you can use your wealth in a way thatr 90% of the population can't so you can become more wealthy is what Republican Politicians have and are doing for the few who are really wealthy. They are selling a BS scam that its the other poor people who are your problem why your not filty rich like them and your dumb enough to buy it.

They don't want to pay for the right to get rich as they can, they want you and me to pick up the tab, and say thanks.
 
No brainchild...schooling has nothing to do with it...it's an expression that means old fashioned.

Back to yer sandbox now.
 
Yor're not endearing me to ya, let alone giving me any reason to switch back to the snarky, ankle biting, deranged, and small minded group yer supposedly representin' here in this thread.

Maybe it was "pappy and mommy" that did it?

Your a member of the greedy bastards squad called the republican party of today, and there isn't anything that will ever make someone who has such dark blinders on as you do that will ever change you. Your only fooling yourself, not us with your life story.
It's all HOGWASH
 
is there any reason I should ever vote for a Democrat again? What the hell happened when I wasn't lookin'? There are still some democrats that earn my vote and support, but geezus...how much am I supposed to just look over and ignore?

I reckon some personal history is called for at this point.

I was born a Democrat. My father died a fire breathin' Democrat when I was 7 years old and he was 44. In the family album there's a picture of Dad and Mom chattin' it up with FDR and Eleanor when they visited our neck of the West Virginia woods in 1936 long before I was born. There's a picture of "Unkie " Wally and his daughter Nancy, my sometimes playmate. "Unkie" Wallace Barron would later beome Governor of West Virginia. His Attorney General was "Unkie" Bonn who lived five doors down the street.

Can't find any pictures of "Unkie" Jay or "Unkie" Bob who would stop by the house occassionally to sip a little Old Crow sour mash around our kitchen table with Dad. But, even without pictures, childhood visions and names sometimes stick with ya. Don't know exactly why that is? Maybe it was because some people are impressionable. Jennings Randolph, the late US Senator from West Virginia, and college friend of Dad, must have been impressionable on my little mind for some reason. I don't think "Unkie" Bob was even in politics at the time. I do know he laid in his coffin in the United States Capitol building not that long ago.

So...seriuosly...with that background...and votin' for Lyndon Johnson my first time as a registered Democrat and Bill Clinton once, my last time as registered Democrat, can any of you ideologically worthless pricks give me any reason to go back to my roots?

It better be damn good....

I prefer retards stick with republicans. No switch.
 
No brainchild...schooling has nothing to do with it...it's an expression that means old fashioned.

Back to yer sandbox now.

We don't live in a world of old fashion living, and it ain't going to return. 2 people can't have the same job and when there a group of people who are gamming the system by controling the laws so they can improve their share of the wealth while making the rest of the population pay for it, it's total BS. Just like your story
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Yep...that's pretty much my take of it...you'll notice no one has offered me any reason to switch back. In fact the two sick little puppies I've heard from so far only convince me I made the right decision.

LeRoy is not one of 'em by the way. Leroy is pretty cool...a little mixed up maybe, but cool. Ya can actually talk to him and when he talks back he ain't spittin' and spreadin' disease.
 
is there any reason I should ever vote for a Democrat again?

Of course not, Boca. You're a Republican. You can't help that any more than gay folks can help being gay or black folks can help being black. It's not as if you have a choice. It's just in your nature. Don't worry about how your parents voted. You aren't like them.
 
is there any reason I should ever vote for a Democrat again? What the hell happened when I wasn't lookin'? There are still some democrats that earn my vote and support, but geezus...how much am I supposed to just look over and ignore?

I reckon some personal history is called for at this point.

I was born a Democrat. My father died a fire breathin' Democrat when I was 7 years old and he was 44. In the family album there's a picture of Dad and Mom chattin' it up with FDR and Eleanor when they visited our neck of the West Virginia woods in 1936 long before I was born. There's a picture of "Unkie " Wally and his daughter Nancy, my sometimes playmate. "Unkie" Wallace Barron would later beome Governor of West Virginia. His Attorney General was "Unkie" Bonn who lived five doors down the street.

Can't find any pictures of "Unkie" Jay or "Unkie" Bob who would stop by the house occassionally to sip a little Old Crow sour mash around our kitchen table with Dad. But, even without pictures, childhood visions and names sometimes stick with ya. Don't know exactly why that is? Maybe it was because some people are impressionable. Jennings Randolph, the late US Senator from West Virginia, and college friend of Dad, must have been impressionable on my little mind for some reason. I don't think "Unkie" Bob was even in politics at the time. I do know he laid in his coffin in the United States Capitol building not that long ago.

So...seriuosly...with that background...and votin' for Lyndon Johnson my first time as a registered Democrat and Bill Clinton once, my last time as registered Democrat, can any of you ideologically worthless pricks give me any reason to go back to my roots?

It better be damn good....

Well, at least you asked. While I too grew up with democrat parents, and I stayed that way for quite a few years, there's probably only one reason that I can think of anymore to vote for a democrat. That is that they don't fall into lockstep quite as tightly as the republicans do. There's a better chance for compromise with a few wild cards in the bunch.

The biggest problem that I see is that people tend to think of the parties the way they were years ago. They are each something completely different now so the old mores no longer apply. For some reason people keep thinking they do and argue accordingly but it just ain't so. It does pose a dilemma.

While I've made no secret that my support goes to Ron Paul, that is certainly not because he's a republican. It's very much in spite of the fact. My preferences lie with some liberal ideas and some conservative. Even that is not with today's version, that is with the way they used to be.

Good luck figuring it out.
 
George Wallace ain't coming back. You just gotta choose one, or the other, or toss a vote away on a third party candidate. Doesn't matter much. It's only one vote. You don't even have to bother with voting, if you don't want to. Nobody will notice.
 
I think this is a good reason...

GOP Chooses Millionaires Over Military
Jul 27, 2012 | By ThinkProgress War Room

Republicans to Blame for Impending Defense Cuts

Earlier this week, Mitt Romney denounced the president’s “radical cuts” to the military. Republican Sens. John McCain (AZ), Kelly Ayotte (NH), and Lindsey Graham (SC) are launching a road show to attack the president for automatic defense spending cuts set to take effect January 1, 2013 — cuts that would still leave defense spending above 2006 levels.

The only problem with their argument? Republicans — including those three senators — are directly responsible for these cuts and they will only have themselves to blame if the cuts go into effect come January.

Let’s take a closer look at how Republicans put these cuts into place.

MAY 9, 2011: Boehner Gets The Ball Rolling

After taking the full faith and credit of the United States (and basically the entire economy along with it) hostage, House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) set out the GOP’s demands. He said any tax increases were “off the table” and, for the very first time in history, demanded that the increase in the nation’s borrowing limit be accompanied by spending cuts of equal or greater size.

(Almost a year to the day later, Boehner made the same set of demands regarding the next debt ceiling increase, due in early 2013.)

SUMMER 2011: GOP’s Manufactured Crisis Kicks Economy While It’s Down
The acrimonious negotiations with Republicans over the summer spooked financial markets, particularly as many Republicans began to openly advocate for defaulting on our nation’s obligations. Mitt Romney and dozens of other Republicans even signed a pledge explicitly calling for default unless Congress passed a Balanced Budget Amendment – a near impossibility

SUMMER 2011: Boehner Walks Away From a Grand Bargain — Twice
President Obama was pursuing a grand bargain $4 TRILLION that would have included spending cuts, changes to entitlements, and a relatively modest amount of new tax revenue — revenue that would’ve come from closing loopholes, not raising tax rates. In private, Boehner agreed to such a deal — twice, but got yanked back into line by an extreme Republican caucus in thrall to the Tea Party and lobbyist Grover Norquist’s anti-tax pledge.

The second time he walked away from a deal, Boehner even refused to take a phone call from the president. At the time, President Obama had this to say of Boehner:

“At some point, I think if you want to be a leader, then you’ve got to lead.”

AUGUST 2, 2011: Republicans Vote En Masse for Deal Including Defense Cuts
On the brink of a first-ever national default, Republicans finally agreed to a deal. The Budget Control Act, as it was known, specified the following:

A multi-stage increase in the debt ceiling

Spending cuts of $972 BILLION over ten years

The creation of a so-called Congressional “Super Committee,” which was to find additional deficit reduction through cuts or revenue increases of up to $1.5 TRILLION. Any deal would’ve been subject to expedited consideration, could not have been filibuster, and would not have been subject to amendment.

If the Super Committee failed to agree to a deal, then $1.2 TRILLION over ten years in automatic cuts (split evenly during the first two years between defense and domestic discretionary spending) would take effect on January 1, 2013.

This deal — which explicitly included the potential for automatic cuts to defense — received overwhelming support from Republicans. Boehner, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA), Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy (R-CA), Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-WI), Armed Services Committee Chairman Buck McKeon (R-CA) and 169 other House Republicans — fully 72 percent of House Republicans — voted for the deal. By contrast, only 95 Democrats — exactly half — voted for it. On the other side of the Capitol, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY), Minority Whip Kyl (R-AZ), Senate Armed Service Committee Ranking Member John McCain (R-AZ) and 26 other Senate Republicans voted for the deal.

OCTOBER-NOVEMBER 2011: Republicans Put Millionaires Before Military, Torpedoing Super Committee
Republicans refused to ask millionaires and billionaires to pay their fair share, guaranteeing that the Super Committee would fail and the automatic cuts would kick in. Here’s a look at the numerous very generous offers that Republicans refused to accept:

October 26, 2011: Democrats first super committee offer is $3 trillion in deficit reduction comprised of about $1.3 trillion in revenues and $1.7 trillion in spending cuts, including cuts to Medicare and Medicaid. Republicans immediately reject it. Republicans’ first super committee offer is $2.2 trillion in deficit reduction, which includes no new tax revenues.

November 8, 2011: Republicans’ second super committee offer is $1.5 trillion in deficit reduction. It does include $300 billion in new tax revenue, but in exchange for extending the Bush tax cuts and lowering the top tax rate. The plan would ultimately cut taxes for the wealthy and raise them for everyone else.

November 10, 2011: Democrats’ second offer is $2.3 trillion in deficit reduction, consisting of $1.3 trillion in spending cuts and $1 trillion in revenue. The revenue would be split between $350 billion in concrete measures and $650 billion in future tax reform. Republicans reject it.

November 11, 2011: Democrats agree to Republicans’ top lines including just $400 billion in revenues and $875 billion in spending cuts, but refuse to accept the GOP’s tax cut for the rich. Republicans reject it and make their final offer: $640 billion in spending cuts and $3 billion in revenues.

What this timeline shows is just how much Democrats have been willing to bend, only to have Republicans reject very generous offers. Back in June, Democrats reportedly offered a mere $400 billion in tax increases as part of a $2.4 trillion deficit reduction package — a 83:17 ratio of spending cuts to tax increases. Republicans said no to making millionaires pay more and said yes (again) to automatic cuts to defense and domestic programs.

Where We Stand Today

What’s clear is that Republicans walked away from numerous opportunities to agree to a balanced deal that would have canceled the deep cuts to defense spending and important domestic programs. The president has made equally clear that he doesn’t want these cuts to take effect either, but a deal is a deal and unless Republicans come to the table with a serious offer, the cuts will go into effect. There’s still plenty of time for Republicans to agree to a balanced approach and prevent these cuts from taking place.

IN ONE SENTENCE: If Republicans stopped putting millionaires ahead of the military, we could have a deal today to stop automatic cuts to defense and vital domestic programs.
 
You're not going to convert a Republican simply by exposing them to facts.

You're wasting your time. Boca doesn't actually want to be converted -- he's just bored.
 
What a hoot? A lib out of the blue suddenly defending the military and it's budget?

After 8 years of "cold blooded killers" (John Murtha) or "there's no reason young American soldiers need to be going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children...." (John Kerry), or threatening to cut off the money in Iraq when our troops were in the field (Pelosi and Reid I think).

The list of similar outrageous anti-military public sentiments expressed by Democrats is way too long.

So, if ya happen to be thinkin' yer inane attempt is a good reason I oughta go back to my Democrat roots, yer mistaken. In fact that little bit of hypocrisy is so reflective of the Party itself, I'm reminded it's another reason I left.

Thanks for remindin' me...but it's not just you Sandy that convince me I did the right thing. It's also guys like Swimmer below who can't seem to get enough of wadin' around in the shallow end of the think tank.

See ya.
 
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