So Ferguson

[connieb]

approves deal with the Justice Dept. that could cost taxpayers of Ferguson anywhere from about a million dollars to 3.7 ( the highest and in my opinion, most inflated) number.

Now... lets think about this.... you have a piss-poor little podunk lower income mostly working class city. Except as happens in these little municipalities -you gotta keep up your pay and most definitely union pension contributions... So, you turn to your cops to have "quotas" and write some tickets.... cause you gotta bring in some revenue. So the police do so, the Courts are in on it.. they enforce these fines and penalties. And, as poor people who by their very nature ( or they wouldn't be poor) lack the foresight, insight, ability to plan, think ahead and analyze the potential consequences of ignoring these fines and penalties.. go on to ignore them.. resulting in bigger fines and penalties.

Of course, this is happening in a predominantly minority community.A community - who has elected the people who are doing this to them... but that is neither here nor there.. because why should citizens take responsibility for how their community is run.. that is for another post. But, its mostly a minority community - and its mostly a poor an working class community - because well, quite frankly, if you have other means - you don't live in such low class crapholes....

But, back to the deal.. we have a city that is struggling with revenues to feed the beast of its Bureaucracy. As a result of poor management and poor living conditions.. many people have already fled.. thus housing prices suck.. people are trapped in their investments in homes and property.. businesses have fled courtesy of the riots and many have not come back either because its simply not worth it, or they can't afford to. And, now.. the Justice Department on its crusade to make this right, and protect this community from predatory policing.... are mandating this community institute policies which will cost them - a struggling community - even MORE money. Oh and, it demands that the police get a raise cause - you know..they are getting low class officers cause they pay so little......

This ladies and gentlemen,is lefty logic on full display.. This is what passes as well thought out policy and recommendations....

My prediction, the city of Ferguson will fully collapse.The few remaining tax payers will flee.. more boarded up homes and businesses will result, more crime.. and no justice or change will have actually been instituted... Brava,lefty.. brava...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news.../?postshare=6391458089458640&tid=ss_tw-bottom

http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2016/02/08/ferguson-weighs-costs-of-proposed-deal-with-justice-department/

 

[as seen on tv]

I don't disagree with your points. However, I WILL counter with:

• Actual wrongdoing is attendant to the government of Ferguson, and it's employees
• The people of Ferguson have evidently been re-electing this same sad crew for quite some time.
• Ferguson has less than 15% voter turnout in any given election.

I don't think that people in other states, or even other Missouri cities, should be on the hook for what Ferguson voters and their duly elected officials do. If ferguson wants to file bankruptcy, stiff the DOJ and it's other legitimate bondholders, and start over without being able to raise money in the financial markets, that is their right also.

 

[connieb]

I don't disagree with your points. However, I WILL counter with:

• Actual wrongdoing is attendant to the government of Ferguson, and it's employees
• The people of Ferguson have evidently been re-electing this same sad crew for quite some time.
• Ferguson has less than 15% voter turnout in any given election.

I don't think that people in other states, or even other Missouri cities, should be on the hook for what Ferguson voters and their duly elected officials do. If ferguson wants to file bankruptcy, stiff the DOJ and it's other legitimate bondholders, and start over without being able to raise money in the financial markets, that is their right also.

I am definitely against the tickets as revenue generator thing they had going on here. Its actually why when my little town talks about getting a police force, all I can think about is Roscoe. P.Coltrain and issuing tickets for 2 mph over the speed limit - to bump up revenue for Boss Hogg, and despite recent petty crimes and vandalism that may be stopped by having our own police, I am still against it. Inevitably this is what it turns into.

However that being said, a simply - go forth and ticket no more should have been sufficient. But, instead the DOJ is proposing a crippling level of bureaucracy and oversight.

 

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I am definitely against the tickets as revenue generator thing they had going on here. Its actually why when my little town talks about getting a police force, all I can think about is Roscoe. P.Coltrain and issuing tickets for 2 mph over the speed limit - to bump up revenue for Boss Hogg, and despite recent petty crimes and vandalism that may be stopped by having our own police, I am still against it. Inevitably this is what it turns into.

However that being said, a simply - go forth and ticket no more should have been sufficient. But, instead the DOJ is proposing a crippling level of bureaucracy and oversight.

The last sentence in your post is where it's at. DC bureaucrats trying to manage the situation half a country away is cumbersome and foolish- especially when it's liberals doing the managing. I think your prediction is spot on, though I'd also make room for some sort of bailout- unless Democrats don't win the White House, which of course is highly questionable.

 

[BitterPill]

My prediction, the city of Ferguson will fully collapse.The few remaining tax payers will flee.. more boarded up homes and businesses will result, more crime.. and no justice or change will have actually been instituted... Brava,lefty.. brava...

And whose fault would that be?

I'd blame the city government. It was the one violating people's rights.

 

[connieb]

And whose fault would that be?

I'd blame the city government. It was the one violating people's rights.

You mean the city government, elected by the citizens.... .. lol.

When the city government collapses, where praytell will all these poor and working class people go? If they have invested in this city - they will have real estate worth crap, their net worth they worked their entire lives to build, will be worth crap. If they are poor, how will they have the money to move? When the tax base completely erodes, who will pay for the pension obligations for the city public service workers and teachers? Who will pay to maintain the infrastructure for the people who are stuck there with no where else to go?

BUT by golly - the DOJ will have taught that City Government ( did I mention - the city Government elected by the people of the City ) A LESSON! I am sure the remaing citizens left to shoulder this burden or stuck in this craphole will thank them...

Wait.. they are lefties.. they probably will......

 

[BitterPill]

You mean the city government, elected by the citizens.... .. lol.

When the city government collapses, where praytell will all these poor and working class people go? If they have invested in this city - they will have real estate worth crap, their net worth they worked their entire lives to build, will be worth crap. If they are poor, how will they have the money to move? When the tax base completely erodes, who will pay for the pension obligations for the city public service workers and teachers? Who will pay to maintain the infrastructure for the people who are stuck there with no where else to go?

BUT by golly - the DOJ will have taught that City Government ( did I mention - the city Government elected by the people of the City ) A LESSON! I am sure the remaing citizens left to shoulder this burden or stuck in this craphole will thank them...

Wait.. they are lefties.. they probably will......

So the city dies, yet it will remain as a cautionary tale.

 

[connieb]

So the city dies, yet it will remain as a cautionary tale.

Yes, I am sure that is a wonderful comfort to those whose livliehoods are invested there.... Yeah.. that makes a hell of a lot of sense.......

 

[BitterPill]

Yes, I am sure that is a wonderful comfort to those whose livliehoods are invested there.... Yeah.. that makes a hell of a lot of sense.......

Sometimes life isn't fair, like when minorities are ticketed for revenue. We just have to learn a lesson and move on. We aren't perfect and we never will be, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try.

 

[connieb]

Sometimes life isn't fair, like when minorities are ticketed for revenue. We just have to learn a lesson and move on. We aren't perfect and we never will be, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try.

So the way you make it up to the minorities in Ferguson who have been ticketed for revenue is cause the costs of their government to go up necessitating that they either cut services or raise taxes. Causing more people to leave the city causing a bigger stress on the tax base causing a more of the usual city blight and further reducing the propert values. Do you seriously not get that the only people being hurt by this lesson are the very people that were unfairly targeted.?

 

[BitterPill]

So the way you make it up to the minorities in Ferguson who have been ticketed for revenue is cause the costs of their government to go up necessitating that they either cut services or raise taxes. Causing more people to leave the city causing a bigger stress on the tax base causing a more of the usual city blight and further reducing the propert values. Do you seriously not get that the only people being hurt by this lesson are the very people that were unfairly targeted.?

It's a damn shame, and it was all caused by a city unfairly and perpetually ticketing minorities.

When will we ever learn?

 

[connieb]

It's a damn shame, and it was all caused by a city unfairly and perpetually ticketing minorities.

When will we ever learn?

I know. When will low income and minority voters realize that democrats aren't actually interested in helping them but merely happy to use them even when they know they will be burdened , as long as it advances the agenda. When will they ever realize that democrats are happy to let the little guy hold the bag as long as it makes the right statement. Regardless how much that little guy at have had to do with the situation.