So, it is about the money...

[connieb]

That is what this rush for this "consent decree" is all about. I had heard a little bit about it this morning on the local news where they hinted that this came with some money.. of course its not fully presented in the MSM that way, so I read about 6 articles on it this morning, trying to get the root at the dough.. and htey all talk about it. You can finally see a little more of it in this article.

But, I had wondered.... why in the world is Baltimore City really pushing for this consent decree that is going to cost millions to enforce. If there are reforms they want to make to their departments... then make them... no one is stopping them.... but here it is.. the $$$$$$$$. The consent decree apparently behind the scenes, comes with some dough.. from the DOJ..

so just another example, of badly run, badly managed leftist shitholes.... who did not train and invest in their police forces and or, allowed them to be rogue units.. NOW want someone else's money invested in cleaning up their mess.

I hope the DOJ pulls back on every single one of these that they can, and immediately stops the policy if initiating more... You want to change your police and crime policies - RAISE taxes on the people who live there, or the businesses who operate there, to pay for what you want. But, as usual.. lefty causes a problem.. then looks to everyone else to fix it.https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ach-agreement-police-consent-decree/96463712/

 

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That is what this rush for this "consent decree" is all about. I had heard a little bit about it this morning on the local news where they hinted that this came with some money.. of course its not fully presented in the MSM that way, so I read about 6 articles on it this morning, trying to get the root at the dough.. and htey all talk about it. You can finally see a little more of it in this article.

But, I had wondered.... why in the world is Baltimore City really pushing for this consent decree that is going to cost millions to enforce. If there are reforms they want to make to their departments... then make them... no one is stopping them.... but here it is.. the $$$$$$$$. The consent decree apparently behind the scenes, comes with some dough.. from the DOJ..

so just another example, of badly run, badly managed leftist shitholes.... who did not train and invest in their police forces and or, allowed them to be rogue units.. NOW want someone else's money invested in cleaning up their mess.

I hope the DOJ pulls back on every single one of these that they can, and immediately stops the policy if initiating more... You want to change your police and crime policies - RAISE taxes on the people who live there, or the businesses who operate there, to pay for what you want. But, as usual.. lefty causes a problem.. then looks to everyone else to fix it.https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ach-agreement-police-consent-decree/96463712/

April 3, 2017 - Attorney General Sessions orders the doj to review all consent decrees with municipal police departments.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...a5314b56a08_story.html?utm_term=.0259765dad39

 

[connieb]

April 3, 2017 - Attorney General Sessions orders the doj to review all consent decrees with municipal police departments.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...a5314b56a08_story.html?utm_term=.0259765dad39

They still don't talk about the money either. That is what is driving me nuts about all this reporting, in the end.. its about the dollars they can get out of the DOJ to make "reforms" in institutions they ALREADY control. It is completely ridiculous that the City Gov't in Baltimore and others act like they can't make these changes and choose department leaders who will make these changes... Of course they can. You got the loons on the city council saying - we need this reform. UMMMMMM??? YOU MAKE THE FNING LAWS!!!!. you want reform and policies - do it....

But this is a way for them to doge responsibility - both for how things got to this point and proper oversight of the department and ALSO not take any financial responsibility....

And, it pisses me off that the money issue isn't blasted all over the news. That is what this is all about..

 

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They still don't talk about the money either. That is what is driving me nuts about all this reporting, in the end.. its about the dollars they can get out of the DOJ to make "reforms" in institutions they ALREADY control. It is completely ridiculous that the City Gov't in Baltimore and others act like they can't make these changes and choose department leaders who will make these changes... Of course they can. You got the loons on the city council saying - we need this reform. UMMMMMM??? YOU MAKE THE FNING LAWS!!!!. you want reform and policies - do it....

But this is a way for them to doge responsibility - both for how things got to this point and proper oversight of the department and ALSO not take any financial responsibility....

And, it pisses me off that the money issue isn't blasted all over the news. That is what this is all about..

this was the Obama business model -

threaten corporations and local governments with lawsuits, then settle out of court for a big payday. this helped create the appearance of a smaller US federal deficit.

however, when you remove money from elsewhere, it still isn't available for job creation or investment.

there is no rationale reason the residents of Baltimore should be taxed to pay for whatever misconduct took place by municipal employees in any capacity.

either your misdeeds warrant jail, or they don't. Taxpayers shouldn't be penalized for official misconduct.

 

[connieb]

this was the Obama business model -

threaten corporations and local governments with lawsuits, then settle out of court for a big payday. this helped create the appearance of a smaller US federal deficit.

however, when you remove money from elsewhere, it still isn't available for job creation or investment.

there is no rationale reason the residents of Baltimore should be taxed to pay for whatever misconduct took place by municipal employees in any capacity.

either your misdeeds warrant jail, or they don't. Taxpayers shouldn't be penalized for official misconduct.

Yeah, I agree the gov't should not penalize a city or municipalty - that ends up just being the burden on the taxpayer.

At the same timee though.. if your police are out of control the City governance does not get to wash its hands by saying - oh well, the feds should give us money to fix that. It was the poor leadership and management of the city resources that lead to this point. If they need to raise taxes - to make changes that they think are necessary in their community, then that is what they should do. The fed gov't should not be involved in propping up the poilice force and allow the City to escape financial responsibility for the mess they created.

 

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Yeah, I agree the gov't should not penalize a city or municipalty - that ends up just being the burden on the taxpayer.

At the same timee though.. if your police are out of control the City governance does not get to wash its hands by saying - oh well, the feds should give us money to fix that. It was the poor leadership and management of the city resources that lead to this point. If they need to raise taxes - to make changes that they think are necessary in their community, then that is what they should do. The fed gov't should not be involved in propping up the poilice force and allow the City to escape financial responsibility for the mess they created.

if your police are "out of control" - jail them for crimes.

they really hate that. other prisoners are not nice to policemen who are also behind bars.

 

[connieb]

if your police are "out of control" - jail them for crimes.

they really hate that. other prisoners are not nice to policemen who are also behind bars.

I agree. But, it is the fault of management and oversight that let that happen. The people who voted for those poor managers and overseeers, do have to bear the financial responsibilty of fixing it. But, what these consent decrees allege is that its not just a few bad actors, of which certainly all of them should be jailed, but its more systemic than that. That will take a lot of training and intervention and possibly firing, etc... to bring people around.. but its the people who live int eh cities again who should bear that cost. Because if they had been paying the appropriate amount of money and making the right investments in people and training all along - it would not have gotten to this point.

It will be interesting, too to see what happens with the min wage.. I think that will chase the businesses that can leave out. And, I wonder how it will be applied and enforced. A lot of my clients are in construction and even on scale jobs laborers don't usually make more than 13 or so an hour.. BUT - they have jobs all over.. not just in the city. Does the 15 an hour apply because the business is located in the city? Or on jobs that are in the city? If a company located in baltimore county pays their employees from baltimore county $12 an hour, do they have to pay 15 an hour when they go to the city? If not, that will be unfair competition? What if you are in the city - but the job is in the county. Do you still have to pay $15 an hour?

I could see a lot of businesses that provide services on demand to various locations -leaving the city - if it could exempt them from some of this increase, and or not hiring city employees.

 

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I agree. But, it is the fault of management and oversight that let that happen. The people who voted for those poor managers and overseeers, do have to bear the financial responsibilty of fixing it. But, what these consent decrees allege is that its not just a few bad actors, of which certainly all of them should be jailed, but its more systemic than that. That will take a lot of training and intervention and possibly firing, etc... to bring people around.. but its the people who live int eh cities again who should bear that cost. Because if they had been paying the appropriate amount of money and making the right investments in people and training all along - it would not have gotten to this point.

It will be interesting, too to see what happens with the min wage.. I think that will chase the businesses that can leave out. And, I wonder how it will be applied and enforced. A lot of my clients are in construction and even on scale jobs laborers don't usually make more than 13 or so an hour.. BUT - they have jobs all over.. not just in the city. Does the 15 an hour apply because the business is located in the city? Or on jobs that are in the city? If a company located in baltimore county pays their employees from baltimore county $12 an hour, do they have to pay 15 an hour when they go to the city? If not, that will be unfair competition? What if you are in the city - but the job is in the county. Do you still have to pay $15 an hour?

I could see a lot of businesses that provide services on demand to various locations -leaving the city - if it could exempt them from some of this increase, and or not hiring city employees.

we don't jail mayors for incompetency - we recall them, or deny them re-election

however, police chiefs can be dismissed immediately for failing to ensure their officers are properly trained, and follow all pertinent procedures.

 

[connieb]

we don't jail mayors for incompetency - we recall them, or deny them re-election

however, police chiefs can be dismissed immediately for failing to ensure their officers are properly trained, and follow all pertinent procedures.

Yeah. but at some point the taxpayers who vote those idiots in have got to bear the cost for their stupidity in their voting choices.