So let's see if I've got this right

[Judy1]

making laws in Congress don't matter

The President can sign bills but it won't matter

The supreme court can weigh in and rule a law constitutional and it doesn't matter

But one crazy person in Congress has the power to shut down the government and default on the debt.

....where else in history did a crazy man dismantle sane government and implement crazy ideological ideas within the government?
No one stopped Hitler either when they had the chance.

 

[Dino]

But one crazy person has the power to shut down the government and default on the debt.

....where else in history did a crazy man dismantle sane government and implement crazy ideological ideas within the government?

This is perhaps the first time in history, and you voted for him.

 

[Judy1]

umm, sorry you're wrong, Cruz is the instigator in all of this, and republican sheeple like yourself just follow. There are some reasonable republicans out there, I can't figure out why they allow it, but hey, hiel Cruz!

 

[Jen]

No.
You don't have it right.
Making laws in Congress does matter.

And the President cannot legally change those laws already passed in Congress. But he did anyway.

AND Obama gave exemptions to some people so this law that was passed by Congress does not apply to them. It now only applies so "some" people. Yep. He changed that part AFTER the law was passed. WTH???

And Congress................ the Congress that DOES have the power to change a law. Legally. That Congress (the House side anyway) wants to exempt everyone for a year so that it will be FAIR to all, not just to some....................and the President now refuses to play ball.

And you are right...........nobody stopped Hitler. SOMEONE needs to stop Obama. NOW.

 

[Dino]

umm, sorry you're wrong, Cruz is the instigator in all of this, and republican sheeple like yourself just follow. There are some reasonable republicans out there, I can't figure out why they allow it, but hey, hiel Cruz!

Ummm, that's makes no sense. Cruz is in the minority of the Senate. The sticking point for Obama is majority passed bills coming out of the House.
There is a single person who deserves the blame for this drama, and it's the man who this terrible piece of legislation is now named for.

 

[Judy1]

No.
You don't have it right.
Making laws in Congress does matter.

And the President cannot legally change those laws already passed in Congress. But he did anyway.

AND Obama gave exemptions to some people so this law that was passed by Congress does not apply to them. It now only applies so "some" people. Yep. He changed that part AFTER the law was passed. WTH???

And Congress................ the Congress that DOES have the power to change a law. Legally. That Congress (the House side anyway) wants to exempt everyone for a year so that it will be FAIR to all, not just to some....................and the President now refuses to play ball.

And you are right...........nobody stopped Hitler. SOMEONE needs to stop Obama. NOW.

Which exemptions are you referring to, the ones for business that pubs had a stink about initially?

Yes, Congress has the power to change laws, but I don't think that threatening to shut down the government promoting anarchy and turning us into a nation of deadbeats is what this country is all about, do you? If a liberal nut case in Congress did the same thing that Cruz has done, you and other pubs would be screaming and demanding said nutcase's head on a platter, and.....you'd be right. Obama is not the problem here, never was, the law was legally passed. Cruz is the problem.

Or would it be okay with you if dems in congress don't like a republican law, they can disregard that law, even if the SCOTUS rules its legal, and do as much damage to this country as they can in reaction to that.
C'mon Jen, I know you wouldn't believe in these methods if it the shoe was on the other foot. Get real.

 

[Jen]

Which exemptions are you referring to, the ones for business that pubs had a stink about initially?

Yes, Congress has the power to change laws, but I don't think that threatening to shut down the government promoting anarchy and turning us into a nation of deadbeats is what this country is all about, do you? If a liberal nut case in Congress did the same thing that Cruz has done, you and other pubs would be screaming and demanding said nutcase's head on a platter, and.....you'd be right. Obama is not the problem here, never was, the law was legally passed. Cruz is the problem.

Or would it be okay with you if dems in congress don't like a republican law, they can disregard that law, even if the SCOTUS rules its legal, and do as much damage to this country as they can in reaction to that.
C'mon Jen, I know you wouldn't believe in these methods if it the shoe was on the other foot. Get real.

The Republicans have submitted the whole thing at least 3 times in the last day - conceding something each and every time. Reed has conceded NOTHING.

Republicans worked over the weekend.

Democrats did not work over the weekend.

Harry Reid didn't show up until this afternoon - when the deadline was looming and the President played golf.

That should tell everyone who wants the shut down and who does not.

It is obvious.

When Democrats on the Hill or HERE say that it's the Republicans who want the shut down it is a bald faced lie

 

[Dawg]

making laws in Congress don't matter

The President can sign bills but it won't matter

The supreme court can weigh in and rule a law constitutional and it doesn't matter

But one crazy person in Congress has the power to shut down the government and default on the debt.

....where else in history did a crazy man dismantle sane government and implement crazy ideological ideas within the government?
No one stopped Hitler either when they had the chance.

Oh my gawd almighty.........."Hitler"..............this is how low liberals will go..........yes.........anyone that opposes 'O' the Great........become "Hitler"..........well, everyone doesn't bow to 'O' the Great.........as liberals do. Cruz will give his salary to 'charity' during a shut down.........'O' the Great will take another $100+ Million Vacation....................pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease

 

[Jen]

making laws in Congress don't matter

The President can sign bills but it won't matter

The supreme court can weigh in and rule a law constitutional and it doesn't matter
.

Those things didn't matter to Obama when he changed the law after all of those things had taken place, did they?
NOPE

 

[Dawg]

Which exemptions are you referring to, the ones for business that pubs had a stink about initially?

Yes, Congress has the power to change laws, but I don't think that threatening to shut down the government promoting anarchy and turning us into a nation of deadbeats is what this country is all about, do you? If a liberal nut case in Congress did the same thing that Cruz has done, you and other pubs would be screaming and demanding said nutcase's head on a platter, and.....you'd be right. Obama is not the problem here, never was, the law was legally passed. Cruz is the problem.

Or would it be okay with you if dems in congress don't like a republican law, they can disregard that law, even if the SCOTUS rules its legal, and do as much damage to this country as they can in reaction to that.
C'mon Jen, I know you wouldn't believe in these methods if it the shoe was on the other foot. Get real.

there has been 17.........or is it 18 Government 'shutdowns'...........yet, here WE still are........no way can WE THE PEOPLE continue to go deeper in debt.........'O' wanted sequestration......go it.....then blamed it on the 'R's..........as cute as ya are......I just can't understand why ya think ya would be cuter in a Burka..........

 

[Days]

The Republicans have submitted the whole thing at least 3 times in the last day - conceding something each and every time. Reed has conceded NOTHING.

Republicans worked over the weekend.

Democrats did not work over the weekend.

Harry Reid didn't show up until this afternoon - when the deadline was looming and the President played golf.

That should tell everyone who wants the shut down and who does not.

It is obvious.

When Democrats on the Hill or HERE say that it's the Republicans who want the shut down it is a bald faced lie

The House of Representatives refuses to pass a budget. Its that simple.

 

[Jen]

The House of Representatives refuses to pass a budget. Its that simple.

The House has passed a budget this year and for the past couple of years that the Republicans have held the House. The Senate has rejected the bill outright. And the years that the House was held by the Democrats............no budget was forthcoming.

That's the fact.

 

[UnleashedInTheEast]

Those things didn't matter to Obama when he changed the law after all of those things had taken place, did they?
NOPE

No, I'm sure any moment now, Judy is going to go on a tirade against Barack Obama for circumventing ACA and delaying the employer mandate.

 

[UnleashedInTheEast]

The House of Representatives refuses to pass a budget. Its that simple.

Liar. It's the Senate that hasn't passed a budget in years.

 

[Days]

The House has passed a budget this year and for the past couple of years that the Republicans have held the House. The Senate has rejected the bill outright. And the years that the House was held by the Democrats............no budget was forthcoming.

That's the fact.

Spending bills begin in the House. That's their job. The government hasn't shut down in 17 years so it has been 17 years since the House failed to pass a budget that became law. Those Democratic led Houses you refer to, not only passed budgets, they spent way too much money, the deficit was enormous under those Congresses, as it has continued to be under this Congress... until now, because right now they aren't over spending.

You guys are so cockeyed in your politics, you've lost sight of the basic function of the government. The House of Rep passes a budget, not the president, not the Senate. The budget has to be approved by the Senate and the president.

The House has sent budgets over to the Senate with riders introducing major legislation. The Senate has stripped the riders and returned the budget back to the House. The House refuses to pass that budget. Its the House that won't pass the budget.

 

[Days]

Liar. It's the Senate that hasn't passed a budget in years.

God, that was stupid. You are not stupid, you are pretty sharp, but this post of yours...

 

[Jen]

Spending bills begin in the House. That's their job. The government hasn't shut down in 17 years so it has been 17 years since the House failed to pass a budget that became law. Those Democratic led Houses you refer to, not only passed budgets, they spent way too much money, the deficit was enormous under those Congresses, as it has continued to be under this Congress... until now, because right now they aren't over spending.

You guys are so cockeyed in your politics, you've lost sight of the basic function of the government. The House of Rep passes a budget, not the president, not the Senate. The budget has to be approved by the Senate and the president.

The House has sent budgets over to the Senate with riders introducing major legislation. The Senate has stripped the riders and returned the budget back to the House. The House refuses to pass that budget. Its the House that won't pass the budget.

The Democratic held House did not pass a budget for fiscal year 2010 due October 1 of 2009.

The Democratic held House did not pass a budget for fiscal year 2011 due October 1 of 2010.

The Democratic held House did not pass a budget for fiscal year 2012 due October 1 of 2011.

In 2012 the Republicans won the House and took it in January of 2013. The Republican held House tried many times to pass a budget and it was the Senate that wouldn't pass it.

Days. You are the one who is losing sight of the basic function of government. I shouldn't have had to spell it out to you here. Please be honest. Your honesty is important to me.

We can quibble about whose fault it was this time.
But this is the first budget that has been made since Obama became President and he has been President for 5 years now. For you to say otherwise is dishonest.

 

[Days]

The Democratic held House did not pass a budget for fiscal year 2010 due October 1 of 2009.

The Democratic held House did not pass a budget for fiscal year 2011 due October 1 of 2010.

The Democratic held House did not pass a budget for fiscal year 2012 due October 1 of 2011.

In 2012 the Republicans won the House and took it in January of 2013. The Republican held House tried many times to pass a budget and it was the Senate that wouldn't pass it.

Days. You are the one who is losing sight of the basic function of government. I shouldn't have had to spell it out to you here. Please be honest. Your honesty is important to me.

We can quibble about whose fault it was this time.
But this is the first budget that has been made since Obama became President and he has been President for 5 years now. For you to say otherwise is dishonest.

For me to not agree with your politically slanted view is dishonest? I'm independent, I'm not the one pushing politics. If the House kept the government running, and it did, then it passed a budget. That's all there is to it. This House has failed to pass a budget, it's that simple. The budget is sitting there and the House refuses to act on it, refuses to bring it to a vote, it is that simple. The leadership in the House is unwilling to pass a budget without a rider, they have a budget that they drew up and they refuse to pass it, it's that simple. I couldn't be more honest.

 

[Dawg]

 

[Days]

The House did pass a partial budget, "critical services" did get funded. That partial budget did pass the Senate and was signed into law by the president. But a full budget is still not passed. So a million federal employees are not getting paid for today and tomorrow and until the House passes its own budget. I remember the budget passing in the Spring of the year for those years you claim no budget was passed, so I don't know what you are thinking, but this is what it looks like when the fiscal year turns over and the House hasn't passed a budget.

FYI, we hit the debt ceiling back in May. All kinds of accounting rules being broken right now and even with those games, the government will face default again within weeks. No one even talking about it. I hope the president is smart enough to ignore the unconstitutional debt ceiling and service the debt, no matter what it takes. Frankly, I wish he would reduce the debt altogether by printing some more "greenbacks" like honest Abe did.