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oicu812 said:
it is indeed a sad situation,,you cant blame her,,most likely she is using some legal family members number...but she is using one...i do believe there are some circumstances where cases like hers are given a more compassionate appraisal, but its a slippery slope...some consideration should be given to her age when she was brought here and to her brothers service...im glad i dont have to make that decision
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I feel alot like you and am somewhere in the middle, we knew families would be torn apart and I know Obama worried about it happening and the solution is not always so easily corrected as you mentioned oicu.

It seems not long ago Bush was begging to get people to do the low paying jobs that no one else would do here in America and they came. Not treated well but had the American dream that so many of us have had. They are treated well now, maybe too well in some cases but when our financial situation changes, I think the problem becomes more obvious.

We do have to change things and send some IA back but the ones that have been here for years, my heart goes out to, however like Lapcat they can go back home and come back legally which in the long run will make their life easier for them.
 
gigi said:
I'll tell you what, fairsheet. If those are "my" people then I'll consider myself to be in pretty good company. They disagreed with me. They said why. They didn't use words like "spew", "skank" , "lies for good". They stuck to the topic. They didn't try to tackle the messenger. In other words, they're capable of disagreeing without resorting to the tactics you resort to. In fact, you're the only one who felt it necessary to pop onto this thread and discuss the posters instead of the topic.
So shut up.
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Gigi, give Fairsheet a break. When he has his boggie glasses on he can only see out of the left side.
 
gigi said:
No words. Just wrong.

Send prayers for this kid, positive energy, whatever you got.

This is something we need to fix.

http://news.yahoo.com/video/us-1574...ms-faces-deportation-in-florida-28488313.html
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Prayers? Why not just write your congressmen and tell them to support the Dream Act that would allow outstanding students like this one a path to legal citizenship. What good are your prayers going to do when those on the right want to kick her and her kind out of the country?
 
I don't know about that, something just doesn't sit right with me that outstanding students might get a free pass where others not so gifted would not.

How about if we look for our bright students through the school system and not telling an IA, you must go home because you are not bright.
 
Social Darwinists do not believe in mercy, or any other weak emotion, it is pure survival of the fittest, devil take the hindmost and sorry about your luck.
 
jammer said:
Prayers? Why not just write your congressmen and tell them to support the Dream Act that would allow outstanding students like this one a path to legal citizenship. What good are your prayers going to do when those on the right want to kick her and her kind out of the country?
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I think alot of people were praying for her and wishing for her and look....she's got another two years to work this out. So, what good do prayers do? I'd say plenty.

The dream act is a great idea. But what about
kids that aren't college bound? What about middle aged people who've been here half their lives already?
 
gigi said:
I'll tell you what, fairsheet. If those are "my" people then I'll consider myself to be in pretty good company. They disagreed with me. They said why. They didn't use words like "spew", "skank" , "lies for good". They stuck to the topic. They didn't try to tackle the messenger. In other words, they're capable of disagreeing without resorting to the tactics you resort to. In fact, you're the only one who felt it necessary to pop onto this thread and discuss the posters instead of the topic.
So shut up.
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And at the end of the day, it's your people - with whom you're in such wonderous company - that are blocking "The Dream Act". (This one'll piss ya off, for sure)......I can just see you up at the pearly gates...But God!.....I sniveled that piece in PJ about how bad I felt for that little girl, so why didn't you help her? And God says...well gigi, I GAVE you the right to vote, and I offered you leaders that were prepared to help her, but YOU kept voting for those nasty old Fox/GOPians who blocked my people from doing my bidding!
 
One of the things I never understood is the mindset that says, "Deport them all! Throw them in jail!" Yet Janet Reno is such a monster for reuniting a six year old kid whose mother died at sea with his one remaining parent.
 
fairsheet said:
And at the end of the day, it's your people - with whom you're in such wonderous company - that are blocking "The Dream Act". (This one'll piss ya off, for sure)......I can just see you up at the pearly gates...But God!.....I sniveled that piece in PJ about how bad I felt for that little girl, so why didn't you help her? And God says...well gigi, I GAVE you the right to vote, and I offered you leaders that were prepared to help her, but YOU kept voting for those nasty old Fox/GOPians who blocked my people from doing my bidding!
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I won't be asking God why He didn't help this girl, fairsheet. I believe God did help her. So what's your point?

And not for nothing, but maybe you should spend your free time sniveling over how you'll get your own back end through the pearly gates instead of fantasizing about what God will have to say to others.
 
Patrick said:
One of the things I never understood is the mindset that says, "Deport them all! Throw them in jail!" Yet Janet Reno is such a monster for reuniting a six year old kid whose mother died at sea with his one remaining parent.
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Reno did the right thing.

I don't know anyone who says to deport them all or throw them in jail. I think that's a characterization....or better yet, a mischaracterization.

I don't have the answer. But I know that less than hundred years ago, the immigrants who didn't speak the language, couldn't get decent jobs and lived on top of each other in slums were my grandparents, and the parents and grandparents of many of us. They worked hard and carved out nice lives for themselves. I think that's what most immigrants want to do still. To get here, my grandparents needed passage fare and a letter from someone living here to vouch for them. Then they got looked over at Ellis Island when they arrived. Now? It's much more complicated and expensive to get here legally. But at the same time, it's much more urgent for many.
 
gigi said:
I don't know anyone who says to deport them all or throw them in jail. I think that's a characterization....or better yet, a mischaracterization.
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I do. I know lots of them. I used to participate on a message board on AOL that was called "Armed Volunteers Patrol the Mexican Border." There are plenty of who maintain that every person, without fail, who violates our immigration laws should be deported immediately. If not thrown in jail first.

Just because YOU personally don't know anyone who feels that way, it doesn't mean they don't exist.
 
Patrick said:
I do. I know lots of them. I used to participate on a message board on AOL that was called "Armed Volunteers Patrol the Mexican Border." There are plenty of who maintain that every person, without fail, who violates our immigration laws should be deported immediately. If not thrown in jail first.

Just because YOU personally don't know anyone who feels that way, it doesn't mean they don't exist.
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That's pretty awful. I really don't hear it as you described, but I do believe your experience. I think that people who come here illegally would be only too
happy to do it legally if it was just more doable and time efficient.

I think most people would hop any border for opportunity to provide for their families when their families are suffering.
 
gigi said:
That's pretty awful. I really don't hear it as you described, but I do believe your experience. I think that people who come here illegally would be only too
happy to do it legally if it was just more doable and time efficient.

I think most people would hop any border for opportunity to provide for their families when their families are suffering.
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But in any case, if you're concerned about any particular illegal, I can tell you this: the AG has discretionary authority. He gets to decide which illegals he prosecutes. This is why, when Obama's Dream Act didn't make it through congress, he said he would implement it on his own. It may sound like an unconstitutional power grab. But it's not. The law allows Obama to dictate through his AG which ones he allows to stay. Also, her brother entered the military, so under Obama's policy, if he's consistent, she'll be allowed to stay as long as she likes. He's not going to break up a family over this. She's been given a two-year-reprieve, and her plans to enter college have been laid out, so I would say she has nothing to worry about.
 
Patrick said:
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2...an-who-faced-deportation-gets-to-stay-for-now

By the way, those who are saying if she's here illegally, she has to go, don't quite have it right. The law allows the Attorney General discretionary authority. This is why, when the Dream Act didn't pass Congress, Obama basically said he would implement it through his cabinet. Because Eric Holder has the right to decide which illegals he will prosecute.
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whats your point? the DA chooses which "criminal" to prosecute....same here..
 
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