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Boltlady said:
Almost everything he's done has been an insult to voters. Letting Harris get in for a month or so would give the Dems some bragging rights about the 1st female Prez, yada, yada. It would also guarantee a pardon for his son and possibly himself without him having to do it
He cares about what people think but not about what they want
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He could pardon Hunter himself if that is what he wanted to do. Your premise is silly. It is in the same category as the idea that the republicans could make Trump the speaker of the house and work to unseat Biden and Harris...making him the president.
 
Boltlady said:
The only evidence they have is for possible misdemeanors. Anything else has been contrived or orchestrated.

If they don't put some serious charges on Biden for his document collection that has been illegal as hell then they have no right to continue after Trump for taking his legally.
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Read the espionage act. Intent to take and keep classified documents is required for it to be a crime. Hur's report is very clear. Biden did not know the documents were packed up and sent to his UPenn office or his home. The same criteria applies to docs found at Pence's home.

Trump admitted he did know and it is documented that he fought to keep them for over a year....ignoring a subpoena and lying that he'd returned all documents, when there were another 15 boxes containing documents...and some in his desk.

How in hell can you assume he took them legally?
 
middleview said:
So you don't think Trump intentionaly took classified documents and lied so he could keep them?

Trump didn't call a mob to DC, tell them to attack the Capitol and then watch for three hours, hoping to replace legally elected electors with fraudulent ones?
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That's the sprit Captain Ahab - you will get that great orange whale eventually...
 
middleview said:
Read the espionage act. Intent to take and keep classified documents is required for it to be a crime. Hur's report is very clear. Biden did not know the documents were packed up and sent to his UPenn office or his home. The same criteria applies to docs found at Pence's home.

Trump admitted he did know and it is documented that he fought to keep them for over a year....ignoring a subpoena and lying that he'd returned all documents, when there were another 15 boxes containing documents...and some in his desk.

How in hell can you assume he took them legally?
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Because they never should have been classified in the first place. So if it's the "espionage act" he is accused of violating, which foreign government did he share (or intend to share) them with?
 
Raoul_Luke said:
Because they never should have been classified in the first place. So if it's the "espionage act" he is accused of violating, which foreign government did he share (or intend to share) them with?
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Read the legislation...he intentionally exposed those documents to have been found by unauthorized people. Can you actually claim nobody took any docs from his bathroom or ballroom?
 
Raoul_Luke said:
Because they never should have been classified in the first place. So if it's the "espionage act" he is accused of violating, which foreign government did he share (or intend to share) them with?
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What are you basing that claim on? Who do you think classified them? Why didn't Trump declassify them? Why aren't his lawyers using that argument?

Trump first claimed that the FBI planted the documents, then he claimed to have "thought" about declassifying them and then admits he didn't when he had authority to do so. His last resort is the attempt to gain immunity...
 
middleview said:
What are you basing that claim on? Who do you think classified them? Why didn't Trump declassify them? Why aren't his lawyers using that argument?

Trump first claimed that the FBI planted the documents, then he claimed to have "thought" about declassifying them and then admits he didn't when he had authority to do so. His last resort is the attempt to gain immunity...
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So you admit that he was not engaged in "espionage." Then what is the big frigging deal?
 
Raoul_Luke said:
So you admit that he was not engaged in "espionage." Then what is the big frigging deal?
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The careless theft of classified documents is a big friggin deal....he put top secret documents within reach of minimum wage janitors and the customers of his resort.
He did it knowingly and fought to keep those documents when told that legally he had to return them.
 
middleview said:
The careless theft of classified documents is a big friggin deal....he put top secret documents within reach of minimum wage janitors and the customers of his resort.
He did it knowingly and fought to keep those documents when told that legally he had to return them.
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The national intelligence director did not mince words: the government has an over-classification problem.

“Over-classification undermines critical democratic objectives, such as increasing transparency to promote an informed citizenry and greater accountability,” said Avril Haines, director of national intelligence, during a conference at the Lyndon B. Johnson Presidential Library in Austin last week. It also undercuts “the basic trust that the public has in its government” as well as “negatively impacts national security,” she said. This was not the first time she’s spoken on these issues.

“We must keep certain information secret or we will not be able to do our job in the intelligence community,” she continued. “But it does have to meet a national security standard.”

Over-classification is an issue that has been debated by lawmakers and transparency advocates for decades.

The National Intelligence Director: Over-Classification Undermines Democracy - Government Executive (govexec.com)

When I was in the Air Force, the location of the pre-positioned mobility hospital I was assigned to was "classified" but the fact that it was in Oman was an open "secret." I get it, you worship government and Trump, well, doesn't - yet he managed to get elected POTUS. Half of us think that is funny, and anything he does that throws sand in the deep state's eyes is a-okay with us. You belong in the obsequious other half...
 
Boltlady said:
Much of what gets said/reported about political happenings is pure speculation until things actually happen. Then too is the why. If those things are from the opposition they are then called 'conspiracy theories'. Well I heard a possibility yesterday that could actually be a game plan. Here goes:

Around mid June Biden will announce that he is no longer running for a 2nd term but he plans to finish out this one. Then someone else will be named at the convention (probably Newsome), Then when it's close to the end of his term he will announce that he's leaving early for whatever reason. That would allow Harris to be the 1st female Prez for a month or two for effect. Then she could pardon both Joe and Hunter for whatever they get convicted of by then.

Keep in mind that this is ONLY speculation by some.
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Biden will not be the nominee, he will be replaced at the convention in August, I don't know who will replace him but he will be replaced.
 
A complete crock of shit as per usual.

middleview said:
So you don't think Trump intentionaly took classified documents and lied so he could keep them?

Trump didn't call a mob to DC, tell them to attack the Capitol and then watch for three hours, hoping to replace legally elected electors with fraudulent ones?
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