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Spying?

Is any one surprised at this?

James Baker spoke at the J Street Meeting,as did the White House spokesman.

Netanyahu may have been re- elected but his words and actions are coming home to him.

http://www.wsj.com/article_email/israel-spied-on-iran-talks-1427164201-lMyQjAxMTA1MTI0MzIyNDM0Wj

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It appears that Bibi is as honest and consistent as American wingers.

A senior official in the prime minister’s office said Monday: “These allegations are utterly false. The state of Israel does not conduct espionage against the United States or Israel’s other allies. The false allegations are clearly intended to undermine the strong ties between the United States and Israel and the security and intelligence relationship we share.”


Current and former Israeli officials said their intelligence agencies scaled back their targeting of U.S. officials after the jailing nearly 30 years ago of American Jonathan Pollard for passing secrets to Israel.


Gee. I sure am glad they "scaled back" what they weren't doing to begin with.

I'm sure wingers will be outraged by this conspiracy between Israel and Republicans to undermine official US policy and the Constitution. WSJ is one of their most trusted sources and I know they're still outraged by Reagan having secret policies that were diametrically opposed to official US policy.

When did treason become a political issue? A: When we didn't hang Reagan. If we had given him the Pollard treatment, maybe pugs would have "scaled back" the treachery.
 
Right now would be a good time to arrest a few more spies.

Mika is on right now saying,"Yes, but,everyone tries to turn this back on President Obama." She finally got the two cons to admit who is at fault. Joe is not there to bluster over her today. Has any one noticed they are turning more of the show over to her?

This is so disgusting,so treacherous I do not see how any one can defend Netanyahu and his hateful quest for the US to go to war against Iran.
 
Is any one surprised at this?

James Baker spoke at the J Street Meeting,as did the White House spokesman.

Netanyahu may have been re- elected but his words and actions are coming home to him.

http://www.wsj.com/article_email/israel-spied-on-iran-talks-1427164201-lMyQjAxMTA1MTI0MzIyNDM0Wj

Comments?

No, every Power has always, always, always had its spys --- but even in the article :-

Soon after the U.S. and other major powers entered negotiations last year to curtail Iran’s nuclear program

Wulk would have had something to say about that for Iran has no sinister motives for wanting to use 'nuclear' energy.
 
Gee. I didn't know that our very existence depended on Germany trusting and dealing honestly with us.

Loony analogy, zammer.

Whilst there is intrigue, there will be spys, always have been, always will be --- It isn't shocking it is business as usual.
 
No, every Power has always, always, always had its spys --- but even in the article :-

Soon after the U.S. and other major powers entered negotiations last year to curtail Iran’s nuclear program

Wulk would have had something to say about that for Iran has no sinister motives for wanting to use 'nuclear' energy.

Many of us have seem the treachery of Israel for years. How many times have we been silenced by Anti-Semitism? That word rings hollow today. These people and their Leaders have nothing to do with the Holocaust. No more than I have to do with my Ancesters starving in Ireland or leaving Germany to escape the Kaiser. They came to this country, made a good life on thier own. But that is not me.

Wulk was one of the smartest men I ever posted with. Leaving School, he formed his own company and traveled to all the countries we just talk about. You are right,Queenie. I learned a great deal from him. He is sorely missed.
 
Sure. You're upset that an ally spied on us. I pointed out that we spy on our allies. That would seem to pertain to the subject of spying on allies, no?

No, I am upset at the treachery of John Boehner and his colleagues who wrote the letter. Proof positive they would destroy our Country to get back at this President.

The spying is just one more example of how low Republicans have sunk.
 
No, I am upset at the treachery of John Boehner and his colleagues who wrote the letter. Proof positive they would destroy our Country to get back at this President.

The spying is just one more example of how low Republicans have sunk.


I read the article linked in the top-post ("Spying"), it mentions nothing of Boehner or any other Republican "spying". It did say this:

The information in the briefings, Israeli officials said, was widely known among the countries participating in the negotiations.


When asked in February during one briefing where Israel got its inside information, the Israeli officials said their sources included the French and British governments, as well as their own intelligence, according to people there.


“Ambassador Dermer never shared confidential intelligence information with members of Congress,” Mr. Sagui said. “His briefings did not include specific details from the negotiations, including the length of the agreement or the number of centrifuges Iran would be able to keep.”



It's your article, and that's what it says.
 
Many of us have seem the treachery of Israel for years. How many times have we been silenced by Anti-Semitism? That word rings hollow today. These people and their Leaders have nothing to do with the Holocaust. No more than I have to do with my Ancesters starving in Ireland or leaving Germany to escape the Kaiser. They came to this country, made a good life on thier own. But that is not me.

Wulk was one of the smartest men I ever posted with. Leaving School, he formed his own company and traveled to all the countries we just talk about. You are right,Queenie. I learned a great deal from him. He is sorely missed.

Israel is not 100 years old, It is an occupation of Palestine, a Land and peoples so old that they are mentioned in the Egyptian hieroglyphs, they had no Army because they were always a part of a Greater Empire but they had all the usual administrations and institutions of a Nation. Zionists built a terrorist Army slowly within Palestine who were later illegally given Palestine by the British, The British who had no rights to give the land away ---- imagine some one a 1000 miles away giving a US State to a a group of of Indonesian terrorists who began throwing people out of their homes and denying them Statehood !
The whole Israeli Knesset is and always has been Eastern European - never mind religion, that is irrelevant, but ethnicity is Eastern European from, as DNA has it, an Asiatic peoples whose ancestors never went anywhere near Palestine.
Only one of the PMs is said to have lost a relative in WWII - in transit - the rest being of Russia, fled Russia, so, even though I have swore off discussing the Holoco$t on PJ for a while, here I will, only to say that that too is irrelevant to the Israeli PtB and indeed its birth.
 
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‘Not just snooping’: Israel accused of feeding secret info on Iran talks to US lawmakers

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Israel has been accused of feeding secret information on the Iran 5+1 nuclear talks to senior US lawmakers in an effort to scupper the negotiations, a new report says. The accusation was met with sharp denial in Tel Aviv.

The allegations were revealed in a Wall Street Journalinvestigation, and come from dozens of interviews with officials past and present, who are familiar with the nuclear discussions.

Israel, for its part, claims that this was not accompanied by any official accusations by the White House. Defense Minister Moshe Ya'alon rejected the WSJ analysis. According to Israeli media, he said that"there is no way, and there was no way, that Israel spied on the Americans. That is seriously forbidden among every level of Israel's policy leaders." He added that the relationship between the two countries remains intact and that "someone is just trying to stir conflict... It's a shame that such winds are blowing into the clandestine channels in which we conduct this relationship."

But according to WSJ's sources, it came as no surprise to the White House that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was continuing on his mission to derail a much sought-after agreement with Iran, as Tel Aviv remains implacably opposed to a nuclear Tehran, and has in recent past tried to involve the US Congress to impede a diplomatic solution offered by the 5+1 talks.

However, it surprised Washington that Tel Aviv would feed the secret information to US lawmakers to drain support from a deal with Tehran. Washington and Tel Aviv have vastly different notions on how to deal with Tehran and how regional peace is to be secured.



Read moreIsrael’s delegation in Paris trying to prevent ‘bad’ Iran nuclear deal


“It is one thing for the US and Israel to spy on each other. It is another thing for Israel to steal US secrets and play them back to US legislators to undermine US diplomacy,” a top US official close to the situation told WSJ.

Israel’s alleged role in passing on information to US lawmakers emerged after US intelligence was snooping on the Israelis and heard information they claimed could only have come from the closed-door talks.

Tel Aviv denied this, saying that they had acquired the information by different means, such as routine spying on communications with Iran.

“These allegations are utterly false,” Netanyahu’s office told reporters. "The state of Israel does not conduct espionage against the United States or Israel’s other allies. The false allegations are clearly intended to undermine the strong ties between the United States and Israel and the security and intelligence relationship we share.”

WSJ’s sources said that Israel tops the list of close US allies trying to spy on it, and that more US counterintelligence resources are spent on Israel than any other partner.

Netanyahu has been trying to drum up support against the Obama administration’s push for rapprochement with Tehran from within the US government, as well as trying to sway US lawmakers.

The fresh allegations of meddling by Israel could alienate US officials, many of whom are expected to be around after Obama’s term finishes.

Last month, Obama’s cabinet accused Israel of “selective sharing of information” and “cherry-picking” as it publicly voiced its discontent with the ongoing talks. “Not everything you’re hearing from the Israeli government is an accurate depiction of the talks,” State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said.

On the same day, The New York Times revealed that Obama had warned his European partners in the 5+1 talks (France, Germany and the UK) not to share too much information with Israel, “because whatever we say may be used in a selective way.”



Read moreNetanyahu tried to cancel Mossad briefing for US senators on Iran sanctions – report


Two weeks ago, Netanyahu attempted to cancel a briefing for of a delegation of six US senators that Netanyahu’s idea of involving Congress in the matter would all but derail any deal with Iran. Eventually, Netanyahu had to back down and allow the briefing to take place.

Tensions between Tel Aviv and Washington are already running high after Netanyahu delivered a controversial address to the US Congress, organized with Republican lawmakers but not the White House or the US State Department, in which he struck out at Iran, but, in Obama’s opinion, offered few alternatives to his previous line of aggressive engagement.

The rift deepened further after Netanyahu said in his re-election campaign that Palestinian statehood would never happen on his watch.

The White House said shortly afterward: “We cannot simply pretend that those comments were never made, or that they don’t raise questions about the prime minister’s commitment to achieving peace through direct negotiations.”

Relations cooled with Tel Aviv in 2012, when Obama decided to talk to Iran without Israel’s involvement – something Netanyahu reportedly did not appreciate.

With these latest allegations of Israeli meddling in US politics, “people feel personally sold out,” one US official said.



Read moreNetanyahu’s actions may make Washington 'reconsider' Israel policy - White House


Israel appeared to be counting on a handful of Democrats in Congress to block the deal with Iran, the WSJ source said. “[T]hat’s where the Israelis really better be careful, because a lot of these people will not only be around for this administration but possible the next one as well,” the US official said.



http://rt.com/news/243469-israel-iran-talks-spied/
 
Is any one surprised at this?

James Baker spoke at the J Street Meeting,as did the White House spokesman.

Netanyahu may have been re- elected but his words and actions are coming home to him.

http://www.wsj.com/article_email/israel-spied-on-iran-talks-1427164201-lMyQjAxMTA1MTI0MzIyNDM0Wj

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As a ps though MA, I must add, that I have noticed when stuff is going on in Eastern Europe which the PtB would rather not were in 'The News' our attention is always diverted to Israel. Just an observation ..........
 
the amazing thing is that nobody has caught israel hacking into white house or congressional computer systems yet. if the russians and chinese can do it, it must be childs play for Israel.

Maybe they're so good we can't even catch them at it?

when you're a tiny nation surrounded by much larger ones which have vowed to exterminate you, then you'd better have a crackerjack intelligence service I guess.
 
It's sad when our own politicians conspire to break ranks with what their own elected leader is striving to accomplish.
Small wonder then as the link stated, it has left a scar with Israel for their part in it.
 
the amazing thing is that nobody has caught israel hacking into white house or congressional computer systems yet. if the russians and chinese can do it, it must be childs play for Israel.

Maybe they're so good we can't even catch them at it?

when you're a tiny nation surrounded by much larger ones which have vowed to exterminate you, then you'd better have a crackerjack intelligence service I guess.

Who has vowed to exterminate Israel? No one has ---- The then Iranian Prez said it should go. and would one day be gone, he did not say that he or anyone else would exterminate it.
 
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