Stop picking on Bill Cosby . .. !!!

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Okay – I get it. Cosby propositioned, harassed, groped, molested and possibly raped dozens of girls over the past 30 years. The latest accuser is only 15. She says Cosby pounced on her at the Playboy mansion.

Excuse me??? Think about that accusation for a moment. What is a 15 year old doing at Hef’s mansion? She’s not even old enough to help out with the catering, let alone all the other things the big girls were expected to serve up. Was Roman Polanski at the same party?

I have no doubt that Cosby is a scoundrel and pervert. So is Hugh Hefner. And so is every agent, producer, and casting director in Hollywood.

Seriously – most of what we’ve heard is basically what invariably happens when star struck girls “make the acquaintance of” Hollywood power brokers. That doesn’t mean ANY of this is right, of course. What it does mean is that there are thousands of rich guys in the entertainment business who conduct themselves exactly as Bill “pudding head” Cosby does. You want a break girl? Tit for tat . . .

Its entirely predictable that so many aspiring actresses have now recalled their traumatic experience at the hands of Bill Cosby. He’s in the news !! But for almost all of the accusers, they filed no charges at the time. That might be because they were waiting to see if that promised break came through. Or that Cosby actually treated then no different than the guy from William Morris Agency, or Paramount, or central casting, or Death Row Records, or . . .

If anyone wants to file charges against Cosby for a situation where the statue of limitations hasn’t expired, please do so immediately. I’m fully behind you.

And everyone else who gave away a free sample in Hollywood in hopes of getting an audition or walk on role, you’re encouraged to file charges against the guys who took advantage of you, too.

Equal treatment under the law, I say. This is America, baby !!

 

[Barbella]

Good post, as usual, ASOTV.

 

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Good post, as usual, ASOTV.

thank you. i've been mulling over this topic for more than a week now. i wanted to send a strong message that i disapprove of sexual exploitation in all forms, but that the problem is widespread and the boundary between consent and exploitation is sometimes blurred.

 

[Barbella]

thank you. i've been mulling over this topic for more than a week now. i wanted to send a strong message that i disapprove of sexual exploitation in all forms, but that the problem is widespread and the boundary between consent and exploitation is sometimes blurred.

Star-struck 15-year-olds are, IMO, easy to exploit. My question would be "what about their parents"?

Star-struck 25-year-olds should know better...

 

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Star-struck 15-year-olds are, IMO, easy to exploit. My question would be "what about their parents"?

Star-struck 25-year-olds should know better...

i have a few questions for the (former) 15 year old. such as:

1 - who dropped you off at hef's mansion at age 15? your mommy or your daddy?

2 - what advice did they give you as you got of the car?

3 - did you already have a condom in your purse, or did you obtain one after entering the gate at hef's mansion?

and so on and so forth . . .

 

[Barbella]

i have a few questions for the (former) 15 year old. such as:

1 - who dropped you off at hef's mansion at age 15? your mommy or your daddy?

2 - what advice did they give you as you got of the car?

3 - did you already have a condom in your purse, or did you obtain one after entering the gate at hef's mansion?

and so on and so forth . . .

Exactly. Should their parents feel like the pimps they were/are? Ya think?

 

[connieb]

Exactly. Should their parents feel like the pimps they were/are? Ya think?

No different than those parents who served their kid up to Michael Jackson all those years ago AFTER the stuff was already out in the news about his moesting other kids. Yet they allowed sleepovers. Hopefully they got enough money from pimping out their kid, that they can buy enough narcotics to sleep at night with those guilty consciences. Or even better -that cow he married to be a broodmare and then basically sold her kids off to him with nary a glance.

I agree with much of what your wrote ASOTV. I was just having this discussion with some friends over the weekend, actually. Some of the people alleged he did actually slip something in their drink. That is foul and wrong beyond measure. But, the rest of them have stories which are much like what you stated. They sold themselves out. They were at parties, they were drinking they were hoping to get noticed, they went with him or willingly invited him in their rooms. What the hell did you think he came for - to fluff your pillows?

Certainly men need to be taught, no means no. All the time. But, when people are drinking and partying and choosing to go to intimate locations with each other - how is one person more responsible than the other? That boggles my mind. Own yourself, own your behavior, own your bad choices.

 

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No different than those parents who served their kid up to Michael Jackson all those years ago AFTER the stuff was already out in the news about his moesting other kids. Yet they allowed sleepovers. Hopefully they got enough money from pimping out their kid, that they can buy enough narcotics to sleep at night with those guilty consciences. Or even better -that cow he married to be a broodmare and then basically sold her kids off to him with nary a glance.

I agree with much of what your wrote ASOTV. I was just having this discussion with some friends over the weekend, actually. Some of the people alleged he did actually slip something in their drink. That is foul and wrong beyond measure. But, the rest of them have stories which are much like what you stated. They sold themselves out. They were at parties, they were drinking they were hoping to get noticed, they went with him or willingly invited him in their rooms. What the hell did you think he came for - to fluff your pillows?

Certainly men need to be taught, no means no. All the time. But, when people are drinking and partying and choosing to go to intimate locations with each other - how is one person more responsible than the other? That boggles my mind. Own yourself, own your behavior, own your bad choices.

taking your kids (unsupervised) to michael jackson's "neverland" ranch is exactly the same as sending them to spend the afternoon at hef's mansion or roman polanski's hot tub.

or any other "casting/entertainment" situation. kids under 18 need to be supervised. people over 18 - well, they still make mistakes, but there is a presumption that you can legally engage in consensual activity that has some mutual benefit.

 

[marvin martian]

It's going to be tough to separate the facts from the fiction in this case (the overall Cosby case in general, I mean)...

 

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It's going to be tough to separate the facts from the fiction in this case (the overall Cosby case in general, I mean)...

i see no evidence that anyone - accusers, cosby's people, or the authorities - have any intent to separate fact from fiction here. they're all going their own ways . . .

 

[connieb]

taking your kids (unsupervised) to michael jackson's "neverland" ranch is exactly the same as sending them to spend the afternoon at hef's mansion or roman polanski's hot tub.

or any other "casting/entertainment" situation. kids under 18 need to be supervised. people over 18 - well, they still make mistakes, but there is a presumption that you can legally engage in consensual activity that has some mutual benefit.

The people that used to live accross the street from us had several teenage boys/college aged boys. So, there were always like a dozen boys between the 4 that lived there and their friends. Hanging out. Having parties while the parens were gone. They even moved furniture on the front porch to sit out there... the younger teens out there smoking with their parents... etc. For whatever reason though the kids got along well with DH and we never had any problem with them.. But, they were rough, rednecks, drinking, smoking kind of kids.

Anyway, one day we are in the front yard, and this car pulls up in front of their house. Two presumably parents in the front seat, girl about 14 or 15 in the back. In the front yard are at least 10 boys aged 15 - 22. Their yard is torn up from their 4 wheelers, a couple fo the kids are washing down... they had just been cusing up a storm and talking about the alcohol they were going out to buy and these parents pull up, let this girl out and drive away. DH and I just looked at each other and at the same time said NFW. Seriously what parent rolls up on that scene. I literally can not even adequately desribe the trashy redneckness about it, with the clear absence of parental supervision, etc... and says, "OK sweetie, have a good time." My husband said, he would have locked the doors and kept driving. But, seriously at some point - for god's sake you need to turn on your brain.

 

[marvin martian]

The people that used to live accross the street from us had several teenage boys/college aged boys. So, there were always like a dozen boys between the 4 that lived there and their friends. Hanging out. Having parties while the parens were gone. They even moved furniture on the front porch to sit out there... the younger teens out there smoking with their parents... etc. For whatever reason though the kids got along well with DH and we never had any problem with them.. But, they were rough, rednecks, drinking, smoking kind of kids.

Anyway, one day we are in the front yard, and this car pulls up in front of their house. Two presumably parents in the front seat, girl about 14 or 15 in the back. In the front yard are at least 10 boys aged 15 - 22. Their yard is torn up from their 4 wheelers, a couple fo the kids are washing down... they had just been cusing up a storm and talking about the alcohol they were going out to buy and these parents pull up, let this girl out and drive away. DH and I just looked at each other and at the same time said NFW. Seriously what parent rolls up on that scene. I literally can not even adequately desribe the trashy redneckness about it, with the clear absence of parental supervision, etc... and says, "OK sweetie, have a good time." My husband said, he would have locked the doors and kept driving. But, seriously at some point - for god's sake you need to turn on your brain.

As a father of two daughters, I'm always stunned by this type of parental irresponsibility. The parents of the boys are bad enough, letting their sons behave like trash, but for a father to let his daughter go into a situation like that is just incomprehensible to me.

 

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The people that used to live accross the street from us had several teenage boys/college aged boys. So, there were always like a dozen boys between the 4 that lived there and their friends. Hanging out. Having parties while the parens were gone. They even moved furniture on the front porch to sit out there... the younger teens out there smoking with their parents... etc. For whatever reason though the kids got along well with DH and we never had any problem with them.. But, they were rough, rednecks, drinking, smoking kind of kids.

Anyway, one day we are in the front yard, and this car pulls up in front of their house. Two presumably parents in the front seat, girl about 14 or 15 in the back. In the front yard are at least 10 boys aged 15 - 22. Their yard is torn up from their 4 wheelers, a couple fo the kids are washing down... they had just been cusing up a storm and talking about the alcohol they were going out to buy and these parents pull up, let this girl out and drive away. DH and I just looked at each other and at the same time said NFW. Seriously what parent rolls up on that scene. I literally can not even adequately desribe the trashy redneckness about it, with the clear absence of parental supervision, etc... and says, "OK sweetie, have a good time." My husband said, he would have locked the doors and kept driving. But, seriously at some point - for god's sake you need to turn on your brain.

it's currently in vogue (where i live) to have a slumber party, and get someone to impersonate the "host mother" on the phone when you call and try to confirm this will be a supervised event. you need to go to the door and see that she's actually there, when the day arrives.

 

[connieb]

As a father of two daughters, I'm always stunned by this type of parental irresponsibility. The parents of the boys are bad enough, letting their sons behave like trash, but for a father to let his daughter go into a situation like that is just incomprehensible to me.

The parents of the boys were going through a messy divorce and had their own romantic interests they were pursuing. The kids - although technically old enough - were completely unsupervised a lot of the time for several years. Thankfully they all have moved out/on. They weren't "bad" kids, but anytime you get a lot of boys together, no supervision, and alcohol, there will be trouble. Which is why you supervise your kids... of course, the mother was just as trashy. Her son had the police called on him by a another neighbor for riding his 4 wheeler up and down the street and she came home and cussed him out about it standing there screaming like banshee in the front yard. So, um... clearly you can see where they learned all their manners, decorum and respectability.

 

[connieb]

it's currently in vogue (where i live) to have a slumber party, and get someone to impersonate the "host mother" on the phone when you call and try to confirm this will be a supervised event. you need to go to the door and see that she's actually there, when the day arrives.

Even then.. I have friends whose kids have gone to slumber parties where host parents have gotten alcohol after promising to "supervise" - shoot look at that former Ravens Cheerleader. She talked on the phone with the dad of the boy she molested, convinced him to drop off the kid, promised she was the only adult, would be supervising everything, etc - and then took the kid out, bought him alcohol and gave him some blow jobs. Parents are as bad as the kids these days.

 

[as seen on tv]

Even then.. I have friends whose kids have gone to slumber parties where host parents have gotten alcohol after promising to "supervise" - shoot look at that former Ravens Cheerleader. She talked on the phone with the dad of the boy she molested, convinced him to drop off the kid, promised she was the only adult, would be supervising everything, etc - and then took the kid out, bought him alcohol and gave him some blow jobs. Parents are as bad as the kids these days.

i think the bar might be lower if you have a teen son who is going to visit a teacher or neighbor.

i don't get the fascination of some women with underaged boys, however. it's the antithesis of everything i look for in a guy.

 

[connieb]

i think the bar might be lower if you have a teen son who is going to visit a teacher or neighbor.

i don't get the fascination of some women with underaged boys, however. it's the antithesis of everything i look for in a guy.

I have said a few times that stuff like this came up.. I didn't like 15 year old boys, when I WAS a 15 year old girl. Even back then I thought they were pimply, immature, inexperienced, generally without money, etc. I sure as hell can't see what appeals to someone my age now. And, certainly not when they are a contemporary of your son.

 

[marvin martian]

I have said a few times that stuff like this came up.. I didn't like 15 year old boys, when I WAS a 15 year old girl. Even back then I thought they were pimply, immature, inexperienced, generally without money, etc. I sure as hell can't see what appeals to someone my age now. And, certainly not when they are a contemporary of your son.

The women who do this are predators, just like men who abuse underage girls. It's not rational...

 

[Jen]

Okay – I get it. Cosby propositioned, harassed, groped, molested and possibly raped dozens of girls over the past 30 years. The latest accuser is only 15. She says Cosby pounced on her at the Playboy mansion.

Excuse me??? Think about that accusation for a moment. What is a 15 year old doing at Hef’s mansion? She’s not even old enough to help out with the catering, let alone all the other things the big girls were expected to serve up. Was Roman Polanski at the same party?

I have no doubt that Cosby is a scoundrel and pervert. So is Hugh Hefner. And so is every agent, producer, and casting director in Hollywood.

Seriously – most of what we’ve heard is basically what invariably happens when star struck girls “make the acquaintance of” Hollywood power brokers. That doesn’t mean ANY of this is right, of course. What it does mean is that there are thousands of rich guys in the entertainment business who conduct themselves exactly as Bill “pudding head” Cosby does. You want a break girl? Tit for tat . . .

Its entirely predictable that so many aspiring actresses have now recalled their traumatic experience at the hands of Bill Cosby. He’s in the news !! But for almost all of the accusers, they filed no charges at the time. That might be because they were waiting to see if that promised break came through. Or that Cosby actually treated then no different than the guy from William Morris Agency, or Paramount, or central casting, or Death Row Records, or . . .

If anyone wants to file charges against Cosby for a situation where the statue of limitations hasn’t expired, please do so immediately. I’m fully behind you.

And everyone else who gave away a free sample in Hollywood in hopes of getting an audition or walk on role, you’re encouraged to file charges against the guys who took advantage of you, too.

Equal treatment under the law, I say. This is America, baby !!

The only question I would ask (and it's too late now for the answer to have any relevance) is whether or not Cosby drugged those girls. I would wonder why he would have thought he had to do that. From the scenario presented, I would think they would be grateful for his offer of sex and not need to be drugged.

The thought of him drugging them first (and that seems to be in all the stories) is a little creepy.

While I am not one to say that rape is a girl's fault if she dressed in a revealing way, it does seem that if someone serves herself up at the Playboy mansion, or if she agrees to spend the night at a rich star's place (who does that?) she should expect that "services rendered" would be in the fine print somewhere or else she is too naive to leave her parents' house.

The issue here for most of us isn't a legal one. It's that we thought of Bill Cosby as everyone's dad who would protect young women from a cad. Turns out he was just one of the cads.

 

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The women who do this are predators, just like men who abuse underage girls. It's not rational...

i prefer to think of them (the women) as "hormonally challenged". i think if you did some tests you'd find a tendency toward too much testosterone, which exists both in men and women (but less in women).