Susan G. Komen and the Hair salon

[PACE]

Nothing is more feminist than a salon; women gather to beautify, but to also dissect, and the dissection done is both illuminating and heartless, all at the same time.

So I went to get my unruly locks a "talking to" by not only a very talented and energetic hair stylist, but one of my oldest friends, we discussed the trials and tribulations of having large handbags and how lighters (we're both smokers) find a way to get lost in those bags, her solution, she has purchased a grill lighter, so large and in your face, there is no way to lose it, of course, her use of it, is less than graceful, but it is effective.

I digress, the subject of Planned Parenthood and Susan G Komen came up and it was amazing to me to hear the words of women who are just right of center, and also those who are devout; no one, and I mean no one supported what the Komen Foundation did, there was palpable anger over the invasion of uteruses, and the subject of women's health and rights. It was refreshing to hear, outside of the earshot of men, the absolute disgust, distain, and vitriol over a political machination making it's way into a mammagraph. There were two breast cancer survivors in the group and their take on it, was let's further fuel the flames of discrimination, by making a secondary cause (political) the chief "cure" for a cancer cell.

Even those married to some staunt Republicans were saying "we have to vote Obama back in", imagine!, could it be that this little experience was like the Roman ladies visiting the hedge temples of Christian slaves to hear the word of the gospel in ancient times? Okay, maybe that's a bit far, but old, young, married, single, divorced, widowed, wealthly, not so wealthly, newly married, all were aligned to a pillar of anger towards this latest "hat trick" of the republicans.

And the board member who promoted this idea and her henchman, Ari Fleischer? better never visit this salon for a haircut, Me thinks they will walk out with more than just old frayed hair ends removed from their locks.

Regards
Pace

 

[JackDallas]

Be careful you don't set those "unruly locks" on fire. Oh, and I get a kick out of how you Lefties know so many Republicans who say we have to vote Obama back in or that they always vote Republican but this time they are going to vote for Obama. You do understand, don't you, that no one belives that bullshit?

Incidentally, I was at a rally yesterday where there were 15,000 Democrats who said: We have to get rid of Obama.

 

[BitterPill]

Be careful you don't set those "unruly locks" on fire. Oh, and I get a kick out of how you Lefties know so many Republicans who say we have to vote Obama back in or that they always vote Republican but this time they are going to vote for Obama. You do understand, don't you, that no one belives that bullshit?

Incidentally, I was at a rally yesterday where there were 15,000 Democrats who said: We have to get rid of Obama.

You went to a rally in Texas where 15,000 Democrats said, "We have to get rid of Obama."

I didn't think there were that many Democrats in Texas to begin with.

 

[PACE]

Hey Jack, good to see you, let's break it down for you

Most of the women were from relatively affluent towns, and they typically vote Republican, and here's another gem, most of them were Catholic, damning isn't it?
Well, Komen jumped the shark here and when you peel away the political affliation, you are left with a common gonadal argument, and the direct quote is "We have to vote Obama back in".

I am just as shocked as you are, of course, you might be dismayed, I am very pleased by this,

And insofar as 15K democrats who wanted to vote Obama out? what did you do after you heard that?



Wake up?


Regards
Pace

 

[Friday13]

And insofar as 15K democrats who wanted to vote Obama out? what did you do after you heard that?

Wake up?

Zing! Don't ever stop!

star 4 U (FWIW)

 

[MaryAnne]

You will not find Ari in a Har Salon. He does not have any hair! )

But it was fun to listen to Joe Scarborough froth at the mouth about how Obama is against the Catholic Church. The irony of that is that 68% of Catholic Women use birth control. They do not think the Pope is infallible.

 

[JackDallas]

Nah, my 15,000 recovering Democrat voters comment was bullshit just like your Republican (we have to vote Obama back in) lie was.

 

[PACE]

Unfornately for you Jack, they have been "turned" "flipped" "gone to the dark side"

These women are no longer Republicans, they are part of the "demon spawn".

Take a look at the polls Jack, lots of political capital was wasted by the clown posse, and now it's comin home to roost.

Regards
Pace

 

[PACE]

I wouldn't find Ari Fleischer visiting a heart surgeon either, he has the defunct oil pump from a '58 Edsel in his chest, or is that Cheney? No, Dick has an answering machine tapped to his pigeon chest, he still "gets callls" from "operatives" in Prague.




Regards
Pace

 

[gigi]

You will not find Ari in a Har Salon. He does not have any hair! )

But it was fun to listen to Joe Scarborough froth at the mouth about how Obama is against the Catholic Church. The irony of that is that 68% of Catholic Women use birth control. They do not think the Pope is infallible.

Yep, Guttmacher says 68% of women use BC.
Doesn't matter.
This isnt' about whether Catholic women use BC. A religion doesn't have to change what it believes simply because people choose not to obey it. This Church never insisted on making BC illegal. They simply said, "we can't be involved in any way."

What Obama did is about violating religious liberty. Which religion is next? If Obama wins this battle, what will the next president do and to what religion? Those are the questions. What does what Obama is trying to do represent?

On the board I used to visit, the left leaning women used to go on a bit about how a Catholic president might try and force away the availability of contraceptives. IT was a ridiculous idea. But they threw the word "theocracy" around. That board is no more. I'd be very curious to know if women who worried about a theocracy then are recognizing the fact that Obama is attempting to create one, now. Telling people what they should support and believe and how to alter their religious practices to fit those ends? That's a theocrat.

He got 51% of the Catholic vote last time. And he needed every single one of those votes. The other fact to consider is that it was the Catholic Church that openly supported many of the ideas he brought to the table when the HCR began. I don't think he's going to do so well with the Catholics this election. Not unless that handful of women in the salon are sure they each have ten or twenty million likeminded friends. And among those who might hold this against him, I'm sure are many women who are both Catholic and use BC. Add to that the fact that outrage is being expressed from other Christian denominations and other religions as well, and I think your guy might be in trouble. Again, it's not about what's wrong or right with Catholicism. It's about the fact that our president is acting like a dictator, and we don't like dictators in America.

I suspect at some point he'll rescind this thing. And instead of admitting he made a mistake and corrected it, his supporters will make it about the republicans or the Catholics. Nonetheless we'll be sure that people don't forget in November that he could change his mind at any time if he wins again. Right now as it stands, he's the healthcare president that just might be responsible for millions of people losing their health insurance.

It's interesting how we rail against anyone who dares even consider our uteruses (uteri?) in their political point of view and practice. But then the same people are fine when millions are made to allow politics to mess with our souls.

We don't think Obama is infallible.


As far as Komen, you know.....PP is always under some kind of investigation. Komen made a decision for itself. They adopted a new policy that would have excused them from further awarding grants to PP. And then changed course on it.They got some grief. And they decided to blame Ari. But it's been a couple of years now that the "right" has been aware of the Komen-PP connection. If people want to spin it into some ugly thing about the right not caring about breast cancer, it's nothing new. We already hear how we don't care about women anyway.
Just like PP is the only place in the world where low and no cost limited gyn care is offered to women, Komen is the only place in the world that brings low and no cost diagnostics to women. Uh-huh.


And not for nothing..but since we're talking about who cares for women, take a look at what someone of one persuasion or other did to Komen's website last week. They hacked and redirected so that a woman seeking help or answers during a crisis would find this:

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pro-aborts-hack-komen-website-over-cutting-planned-parenthood/

 

[OldGaffer]

.....PP is always under some kind of investigation

And strangely enough, it is always by right wing republicans...who could have guessed...

Obama will get the same Catholic vote he got in 2008, Far right Catholics always vote Republican, always...
Most of Obamas Catholic vote came from Hispanic Catholics, let me know when his numbers among Hispanics start dropping.

 

[gigi]

And strangely enough, it is always by right wing republicans...who could have guessed...

Obama will get the same Catholic vote he got in 2008, Far right Catholics always vote Republican, always...
Most of Obamas Catholic vote came from Hispanic Catholics, let me know when his numbers among Hispanics start dropping.

Actually, no it's not far right republicans who investigate PP. They've been investigated several times for medicaid fraud, and they've settled over missing money.
And if prochoice democrats actually cared as much about women as they claim to, they might take some of the allegations past patients have made against PP seriously and at least admit that there is cause enough to look into them.

In 2008, Obama hadn't pulled this crap. Are you going to claim that Hispanic Catholics don't support religious liberty? Is it that you don't feel they appreciate or understand the concept? What's your point here?

 

[MaryAnne]

Where does that come from, Gigi?

The Church has spoken out against the law and yet 68% go against the teaching. Both are intertwined.

Do not tell us what one insane person did. Who cares?

 

[gigi]

Where does that come from, Gigi?

The Church has spoken out against the law and yet 68% go against the teaching. Both are intertwined.

Do not tell us what one insane person did. Who cares?

Maryanne, You fail to recognize that those 68% of women might actually use BC AND support religious liberty. I think that you and others who cite that Guttmacher number are operating under the assumption that these Catholic women A)haven't been using BC all along WITHOUT Obama's interference with Church teaching, B)would support government interference with religious belief if it suited their personal choices.
Obama has not brought something into their lives that they wished for but couldnt' get until he spoke. That's not the case at all, and I'll direct you back to that 68% number to make that point.

I wouldn't make the mistake of thinking that 68% of Catholic women are going to support what Obama is doing. They've been doing fine and going about their lives and their choices without his mandate. Now there's a separate issue, and it speaks to liberties we, as Americans-contracpetives or not-depend on and don't like to see messed with.

What one insane person do you mean? You lost me there.

 

[JuliefromOhio]

You will not find Ari in a Har Salon. He does not have any hair! )

But it was fun to listen to Joe Scarborough froth at the mouth about how Obama is against the Catholic Church. The irony of that is that 68% of Catholic Women use birth control. They do not think the Pope is infallible.

correction: that's 98% of sexually active Catholic women have used contraceptives while 2% rely on natural family planning, according to the Guttmacher Institute in 2011.

http://www.guttmacher.org/media/nr/2011/04/13/index.html

 

[RedCloud]

Be careful you don't set those "unruly locks" on fire. Oh, and I get a kick out of how you Lefties know so many Republicans who say we have to vote Obama back in or that they always vote Republican but this time they are going to vote for Obama. You do understand, don't you, that no one belives that bullshit?

Incidentally, I was at a rally yesterday where there were 15,000 Democrats who said: We have to get rid of Obama.

Jack, I didn't know that Iran had any Democrats.

 

[MaryAnne]

Maryanne, You fail to recognize that those 68% of women might actually use BC AND support religious liberty. I think that you and others who cite that Guttmacher number are operating under the assumption that these Catholic women A)haven't been using BC all along WITHOUT Obama's interference with Church teaching, B)would support government interference with religious belief if it suited their personal choices.
Obama has not brought something into their lives that they wished for but couldnt' get until he spoke. That's not the case at all, and I'll direct you back to that 68% number to make that point.

I wouldn't make the mistake of thinking that 68% of Catholic women are going to support what Obama is doing. They've been doing fine and going about their lives and their choices without his mandate. Now there's a separate issue, and it speaks to liberties we, as Americans-contracpetives or not-depend on and don't like to see messed with.

What one insane person do you mean? You lost me there.

You posted where one person said something.

As to how many women in the Church use birth control. Who cares? They do not have to take them if they do not want to.

I am not one to be impressed with what a few old men tell me I should do in my private life.

It may surprise you to know that a Catholic woman studied the Bible with me when I came back to the faith. We studied both Bibles night after night.

I made my choice in what I knew was right for me. I give you that same right. If you notice my posts I am saying what is wrong with much religion today. Not just your Church.

 

[gigi]

You posted where one person said something.

As to how many women in the Church use birth control. Who cares? They do not have to take them if they do not want to.

I am not one to be impressed with what a few old men tell me I should do in my private life.

It may surprise you to know that a Catholic woman studied the Bible with me when I came back to the faith. We studied both Bibles night after night.

I made my choice in what I knew was right for me. I give you that same right. If you notice my posts I am saying what is wrong with much religion today. Not just your Church.

I realize you don't just talk about my church. I do understand your position as I've read several of your posts. And no, it doesn't surprise me that a Catholic woman studied the Bible with you. I don't feel you're condemning of Catholicism.

But the point I'm trying to make is that whether people are Catholic or not, whether people use contraceptives or not, this thing Obama is doing is not going to go over well.

As far as who cares how many Catholic women use BC, I agree with you there, too. But I think it was you who brought it up in the first place.

 

[MaryAnne]

I realize you don't just talk about my church. I do understand your position as I've read several of your posts. And no, it doesn't surprise me that a Catholic woman studied the Bible with you. I don't feel you're condemning of Catholicism.

But the point I'm trying to make is that whether people are Catholic or not, whether people use contraceptives or not, this thing Obama is doing is not going to go over well.

As far as who cares how many Catholic women use BC, I agree with you there, too. But I think it was you who brought it up in the first place.

Obama did not write the health care bill, gigi. He signed what Congress wrote and Sebelius is simply following the law as it is written.

I brought up how many are not following the edicts handed down. That is fact acccording to the polls. As I said, I really do not care what people do in their bedroom and do not wish them in mine.

 

[gigi]

Obama did not write the health care bill, gigi. He signed what Congress wrote and Sebelius is simply following the law as it is written.

I brought up how many are not following the edicts handed down. That is fact acccording to the polls. As I said, I really do not care what people do in their bedroom and do not wish them in mine.

It's a new mandate, Maryanne.
I know why you brought up the poll number. But it's one fact that has nothing to do with what Obama did.

You don't want old men in robes telling you what to do and I respect that. I don't think those old men in robes want Obama telling them what they can believe or teach-in other words, telling them what to do- either.

Women are alot more than their sex lives. It's unfortunate that we have a president who seems to think we'd sacrifice hard won freedoms for a copay.