Thank You Mr. President
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BRU
Mayor
you are calling ME a liar, so I will call you what ever I damn well please. My insurance premiums are MY portion, my employer pays a larger portion. The tax is based on the TOTAL. And before you go thinking you are going to school ME....read the thread. I already posted THAT and your figures. I know my finances, I was IN the meeting, I was handed the figures, I was TOLD I will be paying 49.69 in taxes on my policy beginning Nov 1st. Don't call me a liar.
BRU
Mayor
I didn't go to the exchange, I have my own insurance. Beginning Nov 1st I will be taxed 49.69 per month in ADDITION to a premium increase. How many times do I have to post this?
KnotaFrayed
Mayor
Interesting to hear all the whining about having to take more personal responsibility by those constantly advocating that others should do the same.
They've been getting benefits their employers have been getting tax breaks for. Now that their employers have been trying to reduce their labor costs to increase their profit margins or simply to maintain in an economic downturn (this began before the PPACA became law), it's all "Obamacare's" fault. It was the annual increases in insurance premiums that made the cost of providing insurance more than any tax benefit that could be derived from it. Firing Americans to hire cheaper labor in places like India and China and other nations reduced the insurance pools and rolls for all insurance companies. To balance out those losses and the increases in care and to maintain or increase their own profit margins, they increased their premiums. All part of the "failing health care system" that was spoken of long before the PPACA was formulated as a beginning to a health care system that is headed toward working instead of one headed toward failing.
I don't know how many people hear have invested in nearly anything, from stocks to a good kid looking for a boost, but many times those investments don't take off right away and in some cases there are heavy expenses up front and the value of the investment decreases. People starting companies spend a lot in start up, but if well spent, the return on investment is multiples the initial costs.
The interesting thing about handing people the cost of their health care insurance deletes a layer of separation between them and their wallets and frugality. In a "free market" costs come down when people do not buy because price is too high. In the health care industry there have been those who have been banking (and have banked a pretty many billions) on what people would be and are willing to trade for their health and to avoid pain and suffering. Maybe now that more people will be paying their own way, at least for their health care insurance, there will be more pressure to keep costs down, including the overhead and profit of insurance and other profit layers that have latched on to the health care industry teat.
How many here would go without insurance and let their children go without health care and insurance to cover it?
They've been getting benefits their employers have been getting tax breaks for. Now that their employers have been trying to reduce their labor costs to increase their profit margins or simply to maintain in an economic downturn (this began before the PPACA became law), it's all "Obamacare's" fault. It was the annual increases in insurance premiums that made the cost of providing insurance more than any tax benefit that could be derived from it. Firing Americans to hire cheaper labor in places like India and China and other nations reduced the insurance pools and rolls for all insurance companies. To balance out those losses and the increases in care and to maintain or increase their own profit margins, they increased their premiums. All part of the "failing health care system" that was spoken of long before the PPACA was formulated as a beginning to a health care system that is headed toward working instead of one headed toward failing.
I don't know how many people hear have invested in nearly anything, from stocks to a good kid looking for a boost, but many times those investments don't take off right away and in some cases there are heavy expenses up front and the value of the investment decreases. People starting companies spend a lot in start up, but if well spent, the return on investment is multiples the initial costs.
The interesting thing about handing people the cost of their health care insurance deletes a layer of separation between them and their wallets and frugality. In a "free market" costs come down when people do not buy because price is too high. In the health care industry there have been those who have been banking (and have banked a pretty many billions) on what people would be and are willing to trade for their health and to avoid pain and suffering. Maybe now that more people will be paying their own way, at least for their health care insurance, there will be more pressure to keep costs down, including the overhead and profit of insurance and other profit layers that have latched on to the health care industry teat.
How many here would go without insurance and let their children go without health care and insurance to cover it?
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KnotaFrayed
Mayor
How many times has it been explained to you when any tax regarding the PPACA goes into effect? Why not go to the exchange and avoid the tax if that is indeed the case?
http://www.uhc.com/united_for_refor...ovisions/excise_tax_on_high_cost_coverage.htm
Who exactly is taxing on November 1st and why? There seems to be a part of the story you are not telling us. I pay taxes on all sorts of things. I also pay for the profit margins, 7, 8 and 9 figure compensation packages for corporate CEOs. When the price of fuel and energy go up because some want to remain dependent upon fossil fuel energy and transportation fuels, it runs through the cost of producing and delivering all things that are affected by it, including food.
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BRU
Mayor
How much clearer can I be? Do I need to be more detailed? We received a memo to report to the conference room to discuss 'our options' and important information concerning the Affordable Health Care Act. The times were set up according to the first letter of your last name. We all sat down with HR. They went around the table, looked up our policy and informed us of our new tax. Mine was 49.69 per month of which will be deducted from my check starting Nov 1st of THIS year NOT 2018. Then they went over the 9.5 % increase in the policy,-which we are hoping will be made up in a wage increase, will know that on Jan 1st. I have not seen it yet on my STUB because it does not start until the first of Nov. Got it?
BRU
Mayor
because I like my damn insurance duh? We were told it would not cost us anything to stay with our employer's plans. I don't want government freaking insurance, I want the insurance I have, and I should not be freaking taxed on it. DUH? I have good insurance I want to keep it.
KnotaFrayed
Mayor
And people are banking on people like you who believe all the fears they have circulated about "freaking government insurance" which it is not (note the why about the challenge to the law that went to the SCOTUS) and you have just demonstrated for all how choice has not gone away and how the cost of people who had no insurance previously and have not paid will be covered on the lower end and on the "Cadillac" end. That no one here can seem to find anything about a tax beginning November 1st of this year related to the PPACA, it appears someone is not telling the truth or the entire story about something. You accuse others of lying even as you accuse them of lying. How about let's all find out where the truth really might be?
It seems as though this could also have something to do with distinguishing what is a benefit that your employer provides for you and takes a tax advantage from or what might be considered additional income to you which you would be responsible for paying an income tax upon.
People at your workplace can tell you anything, the same as we can. The key is finding out what is true and why and evidence that helps us all determine what is true, what might be understood, what might be misunderstood and where a "tax" comes from that no one, but you seems to be suggesting will start for them, November 1st of this year.
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Yuri Zhivago
Mayor
so $49 x12 about $600. Is that her total premium? She never had contribution to the health care plan? Or is that $ 49 is increase over $25? $20? $30.? BTW, our company has not increased employer contribution in the last 5 years and so far we are not intending to. SO BRU as alwys is a fucked up liar. $ 49 is the total figure, which may be an increase over 30 or whatever she was paying before.
Bo-4
Senator
KnotaFrayed
Mayor
Good point Yuri....$49.69 x 12 = $596.28
There is some information we are not getting about the total picture on this.
I like the insurance I have had and will continue to have with no changes thus far.
This nothing more than the usual suspect bitching and whining about "ObamaCare"...fvck 'em
Figjam
Mayor
Until you post the answer they want to see, Bru.
Doesn't matter if it's true or not.
Better yet............... let them write up an answer for you.
Sheeeesh! what a herd of lemmings we have here.
...lemmings? What part of there is no new Tax currently in effect is so difficult to understand? Her HR department gave out incorrect information. Is that OK with you? Shouldn't someone ask the question? And you talk about lemmings???
