The Collapsing Ukrainian Army

[georgephillip]

https://braveneweurope.com/gordon-hahn-the-collapsing-ukrainian-army

"Desertions and AWOLs from the Ukrainian military amounted to 90,000 from January 2022 to September 2024: 60,000 cases of AWOL and nearly 30,000 for desertion.

"By September 2025 those figures had risen to nearly 290,000 AWOLs and desertions: 235,646 AWOLs and 53,954 desertions (https://censor.net/en/news/3579670/ukraine-opens-nearly-290-000-awol-and-desertion-cases-since-2022).

"In October, desertions alone reached a record 21,602 (https://censor.net/en/news/3583784/...e-than-21-000-people-left-the-army-in-a-month).

"Some conclude that the UAF may have suffered as many as 2 million casualties (

)

I would estimate Ukrainian casualties at 1.5 million to date; Russian casualties are likely a third of that approximately."

Looks like another failed CIA/Wall Street coup designed to promote regime change in Moscow, right?

 

[BackAlive]

https://braveneweurope.com/gordon-hahn-the-collapsing-ukrainian-army

"Desertions and AWOLs from the Ukrainian military amounted to 90,000 from January 2022 to September 2024: 60,000 cases of AWOL and nearly 30,000 for desertion.

"By September 2025 those figures had risen to nearly 290,000 AWOLs and desertions: 235,646 AWOLs and 53,954 desertions (https://censor.net/en/news/3579670/ukraine-opens-nearly-290-000-awol-and-desertion-cases-since-2022).

"In October, desertions alone reached a record 21,602 (https://censor.net/en/news/3583784/...e-than-21-000-people-left-the-army-in-a-month).

"Some conclude that the UAF may have suffered as many as 2 million casualties (

)

I would estimate Ukrainian casualties at 1.5 million to date; Russian casualties are likely a third of that approximately."

Looks like another failed CIA/Wall Street coup designed to promote regime change in Moscow, right?

1.5 million????....Are you counting civilians killed by these Russian thugs?..Ukranians still killing lots of Russian invaders daily.Great to see

 

[georgephillip]

1.5 million????....Are you counting civilians killed by these Russian thugs?..Ukranians still killing lots of Russian invaders daily.Great to see

I don't think so.
Ukraine never had the slightest chance of winning against Russia.
That reality is becoming harder and harder to deny:

The Ukrainian Armed Forces (UAF) are now well into a state of collapse, as I warned would be the case a year ago (https://gordonhahn.com/2024/12/10/the-second-great-ukrainian-ruin-revisited/).

"It is plagued by high casualties, low recruitment, almost all it forced, mass desertion, low morale, poor training, and old age.

"It is becoming a rag-tag force calling to mind those famous paintings of Napoleon’s Grande Army during its retreat from Russia."

https://braveneweurope.com/gordon-hahn-the-collapsing-ukrainian-army

 

[BackAlive]

https://braveneweurope.com/gordon-hahn-the-collapsing-ukrainian-army

"Desertions and AWOLs from the Ukrainian military amounted to 90,000 from January 2022 to September 2024: 60,000 cases of AWOL and nearly 30,000 for desertion.

"By September 2025 those figures had risen to nearly 290,000 AWOLs and desertions: 235,646 AWOLs and 53,954 desertions (https://censor.net/en/news/3579670/ukraine-opens-nearly-290-000-awol-and-desertion-cases-since-2022).

"In October, desertions alone reached a record 21,602 (https://censor.net/en/news/3583784/...e-than-21-000-people-left-the-army-in-a-month).

"Some conclude that the UAF may have suffered as many as 2 million casualties (

)

I would estimate Ukrainian casualties at 1.5 million to date; Russian casualties are likely a third of that approximately."

Looks like another failed CIA/Wall Street coup designed to promote regime change in Moscow, right?

1.5 million????....Are you counting civilians killed by these Russian thugs?..Ukranians still killing lots of Russian invaders daily.Great to see

I don't think so.
Ukraine never had the slightest chance of winning against Russia.
That reality is becoming harder and harder to deny:

The Ukrainian Armed Forces (UAF) are now well into a state of collapse, as I warned would be the case a year ago (https://gordonhahn.com/2024/12/10/the-second-great-ukrainian-ruin-revisited/).

"It is plagued by high casualties, low recruitment, almost all it forced, mass desertion, low morale, poor training, and old age.

"It is becoming a rag-tag force calling to mind those famous paintings of Napoleon’s Grande Army during its retreat from Russia."

https://braveneweurope.com/gordon-hahn-the-collapsing-ukrainian-army

Uh, Russian can't even get plane over Ukraine before it's blown out of the sky.Thats why they are reduced to high altitude ballistic missiles that mostly hit civilians.If Ukraine's forces are so rag tag why hasn't Russian taken more territory?

 

[georgephillip]

Uh, Russian can't even get plane over Ukraine before it's blown out of the sky.Thats why they are reduced to high altitude ballistic missiles that mostly hit civilians.If Ukraine's forces are so rag tag why hasn't Russian taken more territory?

Because Russia doesn't have the manpower, desire, or need to occupy all of Ukraine. It currently occupies 20% of Ukraine which is all it needs to accomplish the goals of its special military operation.

Russia doesn't need to risk its planes over Kiev; it has all the drones and missiles required to make Kiev look like Gaza City if that ever becomes necessary.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/live...kyiv-comes-under-deadly-drone-missile-attacks

 

[BackAlive]

https://braveneweurope.com/gordon-hahn-the-collapsing-ukrainian-army

"Desertions and AWOLs from the Ukrainian military amounted to 90,000 from January 2022 to September 2024: 60,000 cases of AWOL and nearly 30,000 for desertion.

"By September 2025 those figures had risen to nearly 290,000 AWOLs and desertions: 235,646 AWOLs and 53,954 desertions (https://censor.net/en/news/3579670/ukraine-opens-nearly-290-000-awol-and-desertion-cases-since-2022).

"In October, desertions alone reached a record 21,602 (https://censor.net/en/news/3583784/...e-than-21-000-people-left-the-army-in-a-month).

"Some conclude that the UAF may have suffered as many as 2 million casualties (

)

I would estimate Ukrainian casualties at 1.5 million to date; Russian casualties are likely a third of that approximately."

Looks like another failed CIA/Wall Street coup designed to promote regime change in Moscow, right?

1.5 million????....Are you counting civilians killed by these Russian thugs?..Ukranians still killing lots of Russian invaders daily.Great to see

I don't think so.
Ukraine never had the slightest chance of winning against Russia.
That reality is becoming harder and harder to deny:

The Ukrainian Armed Forces (UAF) are now well into a state of collapse, as I warned would be the case a year ago (https://gordonhahn.com/2024/12/10/the-second-great-ukrainian-ruin-revisited/).

"It is plagued by high casualties, low recruitment, almost all it forced, mass desertion, low morale, poor training, and old age.

"It is becoming a rag-tag force calling to mind those famous paintings of Napoleon’s Grande Army during its retreat from Russia."

https://braveneweurope.com/gordon-hahn-the-collapsing-ukrainian-army

Uh, Russian can't even get plane over Ukraine before it's blown out of the sky.Thats why they are reduced to high altitude ballistic missiles that mostly hit civilians.If Ukraine's forces are so rag tag why hasn't Russian taken more territory?

Because Russia doesn't have the manpower, desire, or need to occupy all of Ukraine. It currently occupies 20% of Ukraine which is all it needs to accomplish the goals of its special military operation.

Russia doesn't need to risk its planes over Kiev; it has all the drones and missiles required to make Kiev look like Gaza City if that ever becomes necessary.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/live...kyiv-comes-under-deadly-drone-missile-attacks

Still the Russians are paying a step price for 20%..Great to see their troops hunkered down , unable to move forward.

 

[middleview]

Because Russia doesn't have the manpower, desire, or need to occupy all of Ukraine. It currently occupies 20% of Ukraine which is all it needs to accomplish the goals of its special military operation.

Russia doesn't need to risk its planes over Kiev; it has all the drones and missiles required to make Kiev look like Gaza City if that ever becomes necessary.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/live...kyiv-comes-under-deadly-drone-missile-attacks

Pretty exciting for you, eh? Putin has the ability to level Kyiv and Trump is keeping Ukraine from responding in kind...

If Putin didn't actually want to conquer Ukraine, why did he send an invasion force to surround and lay siege to Kyiv? That invasion force was decimated. Putin continues to claim Ukraine has no right to exist as a sovereign nation.

 

[Jack4freedom]

I don't think so.
Ukraine never had the slightest chance of winning against Russia.
That reality is becoming harder and harder to deny:

The Ukrainian Armed Forces (UAF) are now well into a state of collapse, as I warned would be the case a year ago (https://gordonhahn.com/2024/12/10/the-second-great-ukrainian-ruin-revisited/).

"It is plagued by high casualties, low recruitment, almost all it forced, mass desertion, low morale, poor training, and old age.

"It is becoming a rag-tag force calling to mind those famous paintings of Napoleon’s Grande Army during its retreat from Russia."

https://braveneweurope.com/gordon-hahn-the-collapsing-ukrainian-army

Ukraine just pummeled a whole regiment of Russian/Chinese invaders and destroyed a huge shipment of arms into Ukraine. I do not think that insulting the brave men who have repelled the murderous invasion force from Russia for the past 3+ years is either accurate or helpful to the situation.

With consistent and effective aid from the US and NATO from the start, Ukraine might have already driven these murderous invaders from their territory. But under orders from Trump, first the GOP congress held up military and humanitarian aid for six months and now Trump has completely abandoned them in deference to Putin.

But despite this Ukraine has fought bravely to fend off the Russian scum. My hope is that the Russians will be driven off and that soon Putin will be thrown out of a 60th story window or his plane will be shot out of the sky. That way, the Ukranians will control their own destiny and the Russians can freely elect a guy like Navalny and prosper as a nation instead of being controlled by a greedy, murderous scumbag like Vlad Putin.

 

[Jack4freedom]

I don't think so.
Ukraine never had the slightest chance of winning against Russia.
That reality is becoming harder and harder to deny:

The Ukrainian Armed Forces (UAF) are now well into a state of collapse, as I warned would be the case a year ago (https://gordonhahn.com/2024/12/10/the-second-great-ukrainian-ruin-revisited/).

"It is plagued by high casualties, low recruitment, almost all it forced, mass desertion, low morale, poor training, and old age.

"It is becoming a rag-tag force calling to mind those famous paintings of Napoleon’s Grande Army during its retreat from Russia."

https://braveneweurope.com/gordon-hahn-the-collapsing-ukrainian-army

Ukraine just pummeled a whole regiment of Russian/Chinese invaders and destroyed a huge shipment of arms into Ukraine. I do not think that insulting the brave men who have repelled the murderous invasion force from Russia for the past 3+ years is either accurate or helpful to the situation.

With consistent and effective aid from the US and NATO from the start, Ukraine might have already driven these murderous invaders from their territory. But under orders from Trump, first the GOP congress held up military and humanitarian aid for six months and now Trump has completely abandoned them in deference to Putin.

But despite this Ukraine has fought bravely to fend off the Russian scum. My hope is that the Russians will be driven off and that soon Putin will be thrown out of a 60th story window or his plane will be shot out of the sky. That way, the Ukranians will control their own destiny and the Russians can freely elect a guy like Navalny and prosper as a nation instead of being controlled by a greedy, murderous scumbag like Vlad Putin. Both the Russians and the Ukrainians deserve better than scumbag Putin and the US needs to get rid of scumbag Trump to restore peace and stability in that region. Maybe 2026 will be the year!

 

[EatTheRich]

Because Russia doesn't have the manpower, desire, or need to occupy all of Ukraine. It currently occupies 20% of Ukraine which is all it needs to accomplish the goals of its special military operation.

Russia doesn't need to risk its planes over Kiev; it has all the drones and missiles required to make Kiev look like Gaza City if that ever becomes necessary.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/live...kyiv-comes-under-deadly-drone-missile-attacks

Russia would have the “manpower” if the war were not so unpopular in Russia that they are utterly dependent on conscripted prisoners. They pretty clearly did have the desire (driven by the profound internal crisis motivating the entire invasion) hence the announced primary aim of annexing all to Ukraine within the first month.

Ukraine just pummeled a whole regiment of Russian/Chinese invaders and destroyed a huge shipment of arms into Ukraine. I do not think that insulting the brave men who have repelled the murderous invasion force from Russia for the past 3+ years is either accurate or helpful to the situation.

With consistent and effective aid from the US and NATO from the start, Ukraine might have already driven these murderous invaders from their territory. But under orders from Trump, first the GOP congress held up military and humanitarian aid for six months and now Trump has completely abandoned them in deference to Putin.

But despite this Ukraine has fought bravely to fend off the Russian scum. My hope is that the Russians will be driven off and that soon Putin will be thrown out of a 60th story window or his plane will be shot out of the sky. That way, the Ukranians will control their own destiny and the Russians can freely elect a guy like Navalny and prosper as a nation instead of being controlled by a greedy, murderous scumbag like Vlad Putin. Both the Russians and the Ukrainians deserve better than scumbag Putin and the US needs to get rid of scumbag Trump to restore peace and stability in that region. Maybe 2026 will be the year!

You know how I can tell Ukraine is winning this war? The net is flooded with defeatist propaganda by Russian sympathizers trying to win by psychological means what they had no hope of winning on the battlefield.

 

[georgephillip]

Still the Russians are paying a step price for 20%..Great to see their troops hunkered down , unable to move forward.

Except they are pushing forward and eliminating thousands of US proxies in the process:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0l0k4389g2o

"Russia grinds forward in the east​

"In eastern Ukraine, Moscow's war machine has been churning mile by mile through the wide open fields of the Luhansk and Donetsk regions - also known as the Donbas - surrounding and overwhelming villages and towns.

"It has been trying to gain full control of the area along with two more regions to the west - Zaporizhzhia and Kherson.

"Shortly after the invasion, Russia held referendums to try to annexe all these regions - in the same way it had annexed Crimea in 2014 - but it has never had them under full control."

 

[georgephillip]

Pretty exciting for you, eh? Putin has the ability to level Kyiv and Trump is keeping Ukraine from responding in kind...

If Putin didn't actually want to conquer Ukraine, why did he send an invasion force to surround and lay siege to Kyiv? That invasion force was decimated. Putin continues to claim Ukraine has no right to exist as a sovereign nation.

Apparently, I'm less excited about using US technology and personnel to level Moscow than you are since such stupidity would lead to Russian nuclear responses aimed at US military installations.

Putin's "invasion force" directed at Kiev achieved its goal by forcing the US puppets to divert troops from Donbass to counter the Russian threat on Kiev.

If Ukraine had remained a sovereign nation instead of becoming a US proxy, Putin would never had a need to invade.

 

[middleview]

Apparently, I'm less excited about using US technology and personnel to level Moscow than you are since such stupidity would lead to Russian nuclear responses aimed at US military installations.

Putin's "invasion force" directed at Kiev achieved its goal by forcing the US puppets to divert troops from Donbass to counter the Russian threat on Kiev.

If Ukraine had remained a sovereign nation instead of becoming a US proxy, Putin would never had a need to invade.

Toeing the party line still?

Putin's attempt to lay seige was not a diversion, and they were slaughtered...after nearly encircling Kyiv.

Where did I write about levelling Moscow?

 

[georgephillip]

Ukraine just pummeled a whole regiment of Russian/Chinese invaders and destroyed a huge shipment of arms into Ukraine. I do not think that insulting the brave men who have repelled the murderous invasion force from Russia for the past 3+ years is either accurate or helpful to the situation.

I'm not insulting the courage of those Ukrainians doing the fighting and dying. I also recognize the facts that Russia had and has an overwhelming advantage in manpower and industrial capacity that Ukraine and its patrons will never be able to match.

There was an opportunity to end the killing in March of 2022 that would have allowed Ukraine's borders to remain unchanged. The US and the UK convinced Zelensky to reject that offer. Now the only question remaining is how much land will Ukraine sacrifice to end a war they never had the slightest chance to win.

https://braveneweurope.com/gordon-hahn-the-collapsing-ukrainian-army

 

[BackAlive]

I'm not insulting the courage of those Ukrainians doing the fighting and dying. I also recognize the facts that Russia had and has an overwhelming advantage in manpower and industrial capacity that Ukraine and its patrons will never be able to match.

There was an opportunity to end the killing in March of 2022 that would have allowed Ukraine's borders to remain unchanged. The US and the UK convinced Zelensky to reject that offer. Now the only question remaining is how much land will Ukraine sacrifice to end a war they never had the slightest chance to win.

https://braveneweurope.com/gordon-hahn-the-collapsing-ukrainian-army

Ukraine will never surrender..

 

[georgephillip]

Ukraine will never surrender..

If you believe Google AI Overview, expect more dead, maimed, and displaced Ukrainians in pursuit of DC's obsession with regime change in Moscow and the war profits that will generate:

"Consequences for Ukraine

• Continued Warfare and Casualties: The most immediate consequence is the continuation of the war with ongoing military and civilian casualties and the destruction of infrastructure.
• Economic Strain: The economy will remain under immense strain, facing vast budget deficits, high public debt, and the potential for hyperinflation and a large shadow economy in occupied regions.
• "Humanitarian Crisis and Depopulation: Fighting could lead to further mass displacement, both internally and a significant exodus of refugees westward. A long war would likely lead to a demographic catastrophe, with a low birth rate and high emigration.
  • Maintaining Sovereignty: By not surrendering, Ukraine aims to preserve its territorial integrity and sovereignty, though the conflict line may be a de facto border for a prolonged period.
  • Political Stability: A prolonged war could also strain internal politics, potentially leading to social tension or the rise of national-populist movements, and may freeze progress toward EU membership for a long time."

 

[georgephillip]

With consistent and effective aid from the US and NATO from the start, Ukraine might have already driven these murderous invaders from their territory. But under orders from Trump, first the GOP congress held up military and humanitarian aid for six months and now Trump has completely abandoned them in deference to Putin.

Can you define "consistent and effective aid"?
Russia regards the US/NATO presence as a existential threat.
You may not believe that because you don't know/care about how many times Russia has been invaded by western European powers.
Russians believe and they will use all weapons in their arsenal.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60564123

 

[middleview]

Apparently, I'm less excited about using US technology and personnel to level Moscow than you are since such stupidity would lead to Russian nuclear responses aimed at US military installations.

Putin's "invasion force" directed at Kiev achieved its goal by forcing the US puppets to divert troops from Donbass to counter the Russian threat on Kiev.

If Ukraine had remained a sovereign nation instead of becoming a US proxy, Putin would never had a need to invade.

Toeing the party line still?

Putin's attempt to lay seige was not a diversion, and they were slaughtered...after nearly encircling Kyiv.

Where did I write about levelling Moscow?

 

[middleview]

Can you define "consistent and effective aid"?
Russia regards the US/NATO presence as a existential threat.
You may not believe that because you don't know/care about how many times Russia has been invaded by western European powers.
Russians believe and they will use all weapons in their arsenal.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60564123

You seem more concerned with invasions of Russia than you are invasions BY Russia of other nations. Those invasions are why countries that had been attacked by Russia wanted to join NATO...

If Putin had not invaded Ukraine then Sweden and Finland would not be members of NATO today.

Did you know that in 2014 there were only 6,000 active duty Ukrainian soldiers ready to fight? That is the force Putin claimed was a threat.

 

[georgephillip]

Russia would have the “manpower” if the war were not so unpopular in Russia that they are utterly dependent on conscripted prisoners. They pretty clearly did have the desire (driven by the profound internal crisis motivating the entire invasion) hence the announced primary aim of annexing all to Ukraine within the first month.

You know how I can tell Ukraine is winning this war? The net is flooded with defeatist propaganda by Russian sympathizers trying to win by psychological means what they had no hope of winning on the battlefield.

What percentage of Russian troops in Ukraine are conscripts?
How does that compare to Ukraine's force?