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The New Public Square

Arkady

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The following article, dealing with Facebook's policies about hate speech, takes for granted the fact that, as a private company, Facebook can censor content as it sees fit, and then the article moves on to discussing whether it should censor content.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_facto...uld_not_be_in_the_business_of_censorship.html

I'd like to look at the more fundamental question of whether Facebook should even be allowed to censor speech, or whether First Amendment rights should apply there, and in other similar public forums.

The concept isn't unprecedented. Back before the Supreme Court was packed with lunatic right-wingers by a series of terrible presidents, it decided a case (Amalgamated Foods Employees Union Local 590 v. Logan Valley Plaza), which held that since the shopping mall, by 1968, had become the modern equivalent of main street, the landowners shouldn't be able to limit the use of that property by members of the public in a manner that would not be permissible if the property were owned by a municipality. In other words, if it would be illegal for a municipality to block union organizing on main street, because of the first amendment, it should be illegal for a shopping mall to block that activity on its equivalent of main street.

It was a solid bit of reasoning, in light of the growing importance of private forums in public life. The theoretical right to free speech on main street or the village green may have been of central importance in 1789, but in an age when there's often no equivalent of main street or the village green -- with strip malls owning all available useful public forums from horizon to horizon, and more and more communications taking place through corporate-owned networks or within privatized spaces, that theoretical right is of diminishing practical use. To maintain the same effective power for free speech today and especially in the future, that right needs to be extended to at least some forums controlled by private individuals.

Unfortunately, as the Supreme Court deteriorated, in the years after 1968, it moved away from those decisions and essentially re-established the role of giant corporations as public censors. And so, these days, even the most public of forums, like Facebook, can censor anything on its servers as arbitrarily as its owners want. But should it be that way? I don't think so. I think that if you project forward current trends of privatization and dominance of corporate modes of communication, you get to the point where just a few huge corporations will have the de facto ability to control almost anything you can say and do. We need to be willing to extend the principles of our Constitutional rights to the new "main streets" and "village greens" or those rights won't mean a heck of a lot.

Many states have continued down that road, notwithstanding the regression of the US Supreme Court into a haven for corporate stooges. In Massachusetts, for example, courts have ruled that the state Constitution provides for various public rights within private malls (e.g., malls can't block people from getting signatures for petitions on their grounds). But with big, multi-state forums like Facebook, that state-level enlightenment isn't much use.
 
I thought this would spur more interest, given that being censored by the owners of a private forum is something that has probably happened to most of us here.
 
yeah - i remember that SCOTUS decision.

too funny - the supreme court not understand that the reason shopping malls killed main street is that people were seeking REFUGE from the zanineness of main street - unwanted political discourse, panhandling, homelessness, pickpockets, hookers, drug dealers, skateboarders . . .

the decision seemed to affirm - "if you make a place clean and safe, it's no longer yours. it become a public space without even going through eminent domain. sorry, you spent all that money for nothing"
 
yeah - i remember that SCOTUS decision.

too funny - the supreme court not understand that the reason shopping malls killed main street is that people were seeking REFUGE from the zanineness of main street - unwanted political discourse, panhandling, homelessness, pickpockets, hookers, drug dealers, skateboarders . . .

the decision seemed to affirm - "if you make a place clean and safe, it's no longer yours. it become a public space without even going through eminent domain. sorry, you spent all that money for nothing"

Shopping malls killed main street not because people wanted out of the zaniness of main street, but because the age of the car meant people wanted a place they could drive to quickly and find ample, free parking. For the most part, malls didn't take off in places with good public transit, and they didn't take off in the era before widespread car ownership.
 
I think that facebook is free to censor speech. Much like anyone censoring things on a message board or privately hosted chat room on a newspaper, the entity sponsoring the space, has a right to decide what is acceptable and not acceptable and develop terms of service, that the participants willingly go along with.

I think it is a stupid, stupid move. Maybe Zuckerburg things he made his money. But, the next Facebook will come along just like Facebook replaced My Space. The more censoring and the more monitoring will continue to push people away. I have several friends who are already moving exclusively to twitter for instance for a variety of reasons.... but there will be someone willing to accept those who are ditching facebook and want a censor free zone. It is only a matter of time.

connie
 
When I edited a newspaper, I controlled its content -- including the content in the letters to the editor submitted by both subscribers and the general public. Generally, newspapers exercise only a light editorial touch on such submitted content, but that editorial control is there nonetheless.

No one has to use newspapers to get their message to the public. There are other venues.

Similarly, Facebook is not a "new town square." It's a private, for profit advertising venue that exercises control over the content that appears at that venue. If you won't want Facebook's "censorship" of your views, don't join Facebook, or use another medium to put out your message.

I loathe and oppose the Westboro Baptist Church, about the only religious organization about which I can make that statement. WBC has a right to free speech, and to freedom of the press -- but not on the presses I run. If it wants to get its word out, it can find a friendlier publisher or buy its own press. I'm sure Facebook executives would feel the same way about the web medium that they manage.
 
While I agree with Arkady that the majority of the reason was shopping malls and access. I do agree that what you say is part of it. Take for instance how many shopping malls declined once it became common culture to just have people ( particularly teens and homeless) just hanging around there and gathering in groups and using the facilities and not buying anything. Think of Hunt Valley Mall ( or death vallley) as we used to call it where they have razed the mall and revived it by getting rid of the "mall" feel and making all the shops there and accessible, but yet, you don't have the people hanging about that you do inside a mall. The same plans are in process for Owings Mills Mall. And, had happened to the old Golden Ring. So you are correct, people will take their money elsewhere when they feel they need to deal with 'riff-raff" to go shopping.
 
I'm not so sure that Facebook is an ideal example of a "public space", but I agree that there has been a general loss of and decline in the appreciation of public spaces within our society over the past several decades and that this phenomenon has had a detrimental affect upon our overall sense of belonging to a community.
 
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