The Obama Police State Hits Home.

[Sgt Staples]

The IRS is already threatening veterans' organizations, as far down as local chapters, with $1K per day fines if they can't document the individual members honorable service in the military. Many of these vets are WWII and Korean War.

I know, my wife is President of my VFW post's Ladies Auxiliary; she's been trying to file the tax return after the IRS suspended the post's tax exempt status. Presently the IRS is up to May of 2012 on these applications. As they have been on may of 2012 for over a year, they are deliberately trying to force the post to pay income taxes on all its charitable fund raisers, the over 20 thousand we raised to feed and cloth the local orphanage kids, the 10,000 we raised for education of the children of Vets killed in action in Iraq and Afghanistan.

All in all, they are going back seven years; I hate to think what the tax amount on all the money we've raise over that period is.

They even want to tax our Honor Guard who helps provide military rites at vets funerals.

They will put our post under financially if they get their way. We are working with State and National headquarters to fight them as many other posts are undergoing the same attack.

Thanks, Obama voters. appreciate it.

 

[middleview]

The IRS is already threatening veterans' organizations, as far down as local chapters, with $1K per day fines if they can't document the individual members honorable service in the military. Many of these vets are WWII and Korean War.

I know, my wife is President of my VFW post's Ladies Auxiliary; she's been trying to file the tax return after the IRS suspended the post's tax exempt status. Presently the IRS is up to May of 2012 on these applications. As they have been on may of 2012 for over a year, they are deliberately trying to force the post to pay income taxes on all its charitable fund raisers, the over 20 thousand we raised to feed and cloth the local orphanage kids, the 10,000 we raised for education of the children of Vets killed in action in Iraq and Afghanistan.

All in all, they are going back seven years; I hate to think what the tax amount on all the money we've raise over that period is.

They even want to tax our Honor Guard who helps provide military rites at vets funerals.

They will put our post under financially if they get their way. We are working with State and National headquarters to fight them as many other posts are undergoing the same attack.

Thanks, Obama voters. appreciate it.

Gee, not like you'd ever put half the truth into your posts....but if your VFW didn't file their 990n and lost their tax exempt status...nothing is new. That would have happened while Bush was president.....

The rules came from 9/1/2005 where the number of members that must be veterans is spelled out.
http://www.irs.gov/irm/part7/irm_07-025-019.html

http://www.legion.org/membership/218068/legion-efforts-influenced-irs-dd-214-revision

 

[Sgt Staples]

Gee, not like you'd ever put half the truth into your posts....but if your VFW didn't file their 990n and lost their tax exempt status...nothing is new. That would have happened while Bush was president.....

We filed each and every year. The Obama IRS changed the rules WITHOUT notifying anyone.

Christ if the IRS can't figure out that the VFW is non profit, what can they do.

This is harassment, plain and simple.

And to think, the Bush IRS not only didn't harass us, they gave us 100 dollars for each military funeral we did for expenses and a letter of thanks with each check. That, needless to say, went bye bye when the gestapo came to power.


I'm no big Bushie, but at least he didn't hate a vast portion of Americaand was an honorable person, as was Mitt Romney, unlike the Alinskyite Chicago Thugs in the White House now.

We can't be rid of them any too soon.

 

[middleview]

We filed each and every year. The Obama IRS changed the rules WITHOUT notifying anyone.

Christ if the IRS can't figure out that the VFW is non profit, what can they do.

This is harassment, plain and simple.

And to think, the Bush IRS not only didn't harass us, they gave us 100 dollars for each military funeral we did for expenses and a letter of thanks with each check. That, needless to say, went bye bye when the gestapo came to power.


I'm no big Bushie, but at least he didn't hate a vast portion of Americaand was an honorable person, as was Mitt Romney, unlike the Alinskyite Chicago Thugs in the White House now.

We can't be rid of them any too soon.

http://www.irs.gov/irm/part7/irm_07-025-019.html

Here was the 2011 update

http://www.irs.gov/irm/part4/irm_04-076-026.html

Looks to me like the change was in how do you enforce the rules specified in the 2005 document. So you guys failed the field examination? Too many non-vets dropping by as social members? Bummer.

 

[Sgt Staples]

http://www.irs.gov/irm/part7/irm_07-025-019.html

That's all we've got to do is look at the IRS site, when we've been filing taxes the same way for over 10 years.

The reason they are doing this is simple, harassment and data collection.

As I said, they are now requesting proof the EVERY member is a vet and want a copy of their DD214. which will also give them a list of names.

And we've given them the informati0n a year and a half ago. National didn't even know about the changes. Not to mention the fact that they've been stuck on May of 2012's applications (for conservative and veteran's groups at least) for the past year and a half.

This administration will go to any lengths against those that don't support it.

 

[Colorforms]

That's all we've got to do is look at the IRS site, when we've bit's been filing taxes the same way for over 10 years.

The reason they are doing this is simple, harassment and data collection.

As I said, they are now requesting proof the EVERY member is a vet and want a copy of their DD214. which will also give them a list of names.

And we've given them the informati0n a year and a half ago. National didn't even know about the changes. Not to mention the fact that they've been stuck on May of 2012's applications (for conservative and veteran's groups at least) for the past year and a half.

This administration will go to any lengths against those that don't support it.

I see that middleview supports the harrassment of our vets. It's disgusting the way that the administration uses it's power to attack political enemies. The vets gave Barry a hard time when he closed down the momuments, and now they're paying the price.

Democrats are small people who can't handle anyone questioning them.

 

[middleview]

That's all we've got to do is look at the IRS site, when we've been filing taxes the same way for over 10 years.

The reason they are doing this is simple, harassment and data collection.

As I said, they are now requesting proof the EVERY member is a vet and want a copy of their DD214. which will also give them a list of names.

And we've given them the informati0n a year and a half ago. National didn't even know about the changes. Not to mention the fact that they've been stuck on May of 2012's applications (for conservative and veteran's groups at least) for the past year and a half.

This administration will go to any lengths against those that don't support it.

The rules haven't changed. The instructions on enforcement have. Your VFW was always required to keep records on the number of veterans and non-vets who were members, but there was no guidance on enforcement. I have given you the update from the American Legion....A lot of the difference between 2005 and 2011 look like they are related to the proliferation of 501 c(x) classifications.

I've been to a number of VFWs and never been asked if I was a veteran and wasn't required to join...but I could drink cheap beer and food...

 

[middleview]

I see that middleview supports the harrassment of our vets. It's disgusting the way that the administration uses it's power to attack political enemies. The vets gave Barry a hard time when he closed down the momuments, and now they're paying the price.

Democrats are small people who can't handle anyone questioning them.

The rules were changed in 2011. The change was to how a field audit was to happen. I just thought you might like to know the facts....I guess I was wrong.

 

[Sgt Staples]

The rules haven't changed. The instructions on enforcement have. Your VFW was always required to keep records on the number of veterans and non-vets who were members, but there was no guidance on enforcement. I have given you the update from the American Legion....A lot of the difference between 2005 and 2011 look like they are related to the proliferation of 501 c(x) classifications.

I've been to a number of VFWs and never been asked if I was a veteran and wasn't required to join...but I could drink cheap beer and food...

You wouldn't get away with that at our post. You need a key card to get in, and only members, the ladies' auxiliary and one guest per member are allowed in and the member has to be present.

And you know what. The Obama administration needs to knock off it's persecution of conservatives and military, they are getting the brunt of this crap, along with deliberate delays.
you can spin it all you want. those are the facts.

 

[Renee]

..Be afraid, be afraid, be afraid,,,the bogeyman is coming!

 

[middleview]

You wouldn't get away with that at our post. You need a key card to get in, and only members, the ladies' auxiliary and one guest per member are allowed in and the member has to be present.

And you know what. The Obama administration needs to knock off it's persecution of conservatives and military, they are getting the brunt of this crap, along with deliberate delays.
you can spin it all you want. those are the facts.

I gave you a link to an American Legion document about a change to the IRS rules. Did you read that? Do you have any reason to think the White House directed the change to the IRS enforcement rules? My bet is that it was made necessary by the new 501 tax exempt sub categories. It used to be a lot simpler and all VFWs were 501c19. Then they started selling insurance and all kinds of other business activites (renting the VFW hall, bingo, breakfast buffet open to the public)....

I got audited in 1988 by the IRS. I didn't whine about Reagan.

 

[Sgt Staples]

I gave you a link to an American Legion document about a change to the IRS rules. Did you read that? Do you have any reason to think the White House directed the change to the IRS enforcement rules? My bet is that it was made necessary by the new 501 tax exempt sub categories. It used to be a lot simpler and all VFWs were 501c19. Then they started selling insurance and all kinds of other business activites (renting the VFW hall, bingo, breakfast buffet open to the public)....

I got audited in 1988 by the IRS. I didn't whine about Reagan.

Do I think Obama is behind it. Well Duh! He only hires people that think like he does so he doesn't have to tell him specifically. And the Schmuck Chuck Smuck Schumer is calling for even more of it.

 

[middleview]

You wouldn't get away with that at our post. You need a key card to get in, and only members, the ladies' auxiliary and one guest per member are allowed in and the member has to be present.

And you know what. The Obama administration needs to knock off it's persecution of conservatives and military, they are getting the brunt of this crap, along with deliberate delays.
you can spin it all you want. those are the facts.

1. I read the 2011 regulation. There must have been a field audit for the VFW to lose tax exempt status. There are a number of reasons why that can happen. You haven't said what reason the IRS gave.
2. I have been to a number of VFW posts that would lose their status if they were audited. Mostly for their fund raising involving renting the hall or liquor sales.
3. Do you think there should be no rules about how to audit a VFW? If a VFW is required to have 75% veterans as members, should the IRS check or not? The 2005 rules did not include any instructions to IRS field agents on how to enforce the rule.

 

[middleview]

Do I think Obama is behind it. Well Duh! He only hires people that think like he does so he doesn't have to tell him specifically. And the Schmuck Chuck Smuck Schumer is calling for even more of it.

So Reagan was behind my audit in 1988? Rotten fucker.

Here is the rule on DD-214 info...

If an agent possesses information that contradicts documentary information provided or if the organization fails to satisfy a reasonable request, agents may then request DD Forms 214 or other discharge documents from the organization in order to ascertain compliance with the federal tax laws cited herein. DD Forms 214 must include the name, department, component and branch of service, and record of service dates. All other personal information may be redacted.

 

[Bo-4]

MV 7 Sarge 0

 

[Colorforms]

The rules were changed in 2011. The change was to how a field audit was to happen. I just thought you might like to know the facts....I guess I was wrong.

Just another way of excusing the harrassment of our verterans.

 

[middleview]

Just another way of excusing the harrassment of our verterans.

So you
1. can't spell veteran.
2. don't care exactly what changed.

Got it.

 

[JuliefromOhio]

The IRS is already threatening veterans' organizations, as far down as local chapters, with $1K per day fines if they can't document the individual members honorable service in the military. Many of these vets are WWII and Korean War.

I know, my wife is President of my VFW post's Ladies Auxiliary; she's been trying to file the tax return after the IRS suspended the post's tax exempt status. Presently the IRS is up to May of 2012 on these applications. As they have been on may of 2012 for over a year, they are deliberately trying to force the post to pay income taxes on all its charitable fund raisers, the over 20 thousand we raised to feed and cloth the local orphanage kids, the 10,000 we raised for education of the children of Vets killed in action in Iraq and Afghanistan.

All in all, they are going back seven years; I hate to think what the tax amount on all the money we've raise over that period is.

They even want to tax our Honor Guard who helps provide military rites at vets funerals.

They will put our post under financially if they get their way. We are working with State and National headquarters to fight them as many other posts are undergoing the same attack.

Thanks, Obama voters. appreciate it.

if your attitude is common among your fellow VFW members, I can just imagine all the paranoid and conspiratorial talk against the president while you all are boozing it up. hey, have any, while drunk, threatened the president and been paid a visit by the Secret Service?
to get back your tax exempt status, perhaps you ought to just do the paper work and quit bitching.

 

[Colorforms]

So you
1. can't spell veteran.
2. don't care exactly what changed.

Got it.

And you still support the harrassment of veterens by Barry's enforcement arm. No amount of you being an asshat changes that.

 

[middleview]

And you still support the harrassment of veterens by Barry's enforcement arm. No amount of you being an asshat changes that.

How can you call it harassment without even knowing why the VFW sarge is talking about lost their tax exempt status?

Same problem with you guys going ballistic over Tea Party groups having the IRS ask them questions when they apply for tax exempt status....Since it is well known that the TP is a political organization, doesn't it strike you as nuts that the IRS would not ask them questions?

The word is VETERAN!