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...the "wait-time" myth...

Figjam

Mayor
...to help dispel the "notion" that wait times have increased -

"...there is emerging evidence that lengthy waits to get a doctor’s appointment have become the norm in many parts of American medicine, particularly for general doctors but also for specialists. And that includes patients with private insurance as well as those with Medicaid or Medicare.

Merritt Hawkins, a physician staffing firm, found long waits last year when it polled five types of doctors’ offices about several types of nonemergency appointments including heart checkups, visits for knee pain and routine gynecologic exams. The waits varied greatly by market and specialty. For example, patients waited an average of 29 days nationally to see a dermatologist for a skin exam, 66 days to have a physical in Boston and 32 days for a heart evaluation by a cardiologist in Washington.
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...it goes on to point out something we all should have known - "In our market-based system, patients can get lucrative procedures rapidly, even when there is no urgent medical need: Need a new knee, or an M.R.I., or a Botox injection? You’ll probably be on the schedule within days. But what if you’re an asthmatic whose breathing is deteriorating, or a diabetic whose medicines need adjustment, or an elderly patient who has unusual chest pain and needs a cardiology consultation? In much of the country, you can wait a week or weeks for such office appointments — or longer if you need to find a doctor who accepts your insurance plan or Medicare."

...we have always had waiting times, this is nothing new - what we need to do is change the paradigm of the health care delivery system, changing the "incentives" and that is a ways off -

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/06/s...s-appointments-have-become-the-norm.html?_r=0
 
...to help dispel the "notion" that wait times have increased -

"...there is emerging evidence that lengthy waits to get a doctor’s appointment have become the norm in many parts of American medicine, particularly for general doctors but also for specialists. And that includes patients with private insurance as well as those with Medicaid or Medicare.

Merritt Hawkins, a physician staffing firm, found long waits last year when it polled five types of doctors’ offices about several types of nonemergency appointments including heart checkups, visits for knee pain and routine gynecologic exams. The waits varied greatly by market and specialty. For example, patients waited an average of 29 days nationally to see a dermatologist for a skin exam, 66 days to have a physical in Boston and 32 days for a heart evaluation by a cardiologist in Washington.
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...it goes on to point out something we all should have known - "In our market-based system, patients can get lucrative procedures rapidly, even when there is no urgent medical need: Need a new knee, or an M.R.I., or a Botox injection? You’ll probably be on the schedule within days. But what if you’re an asthmatic whose breathing is deteriorating, or a diabetic whose medicines need adjustment, or an elderly patient who has unusual chest pain and needs a cardiology consultation? In much of the country, you can wait a week or weeks for such office appointments — or longer if you need to find a doctor who accepts your insurance plan or Medicare."

...we have always had waiting times, this is nothing new - what we need to do is change the paradigm of the health care delivery system, changing the "incentives" and that is a ways off -

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/06/s...s-appointments-have-become-the-norm.html?_r=0

All too many, have been shouting the VA issue in a vacuum. "Wait times" are an obvious and direct consequence of capacity. We have every right to call for VA wait times to be reduced. But, we also need to be honest about what it would cost to reduce the waint times AND be willing to pay that price.

As an aside, if we were to add up the number of people who died "while waiting for care" outside the VA system, we might be a little taken aback! I'm guessing that many, if not most deaths in general, can be viewed as having at least some "waiting for care" aspect to them.
 
Are the increased wait times in emergency rooms also 'mythological'? You know, the ones caused by Obamacare?
 
...the point is that they have always existed - the difference now is that wingnuts are using them as a scare tactic.
So, wait times in ER's have not gotten longer? Or, are you saying it doesn't matter if they've gotten longer because they always existed, regardless of duration?
 
...what I am saying is - there always have been wait times, there always will be wait times.

...has PPACA contributed to the problem? maybe, maybe not - it is still too soon to tell. Imagine if it turns out to actually reduce emergency room wait times because the people who used to use the ER for non-emergency needs stop that practice because they have coverage -

So, wait times in ER's have not gotten longer? Or, are you saying it doesn't matter if they've gotten longer because they always existed, regardless of duration?
 
...what I am saying is - there always have been wait times, there always will be wait times.

...has PPACA contributed to the problem? maybe, maybe not - it is still too soon to tell. Imagine if it turns out to actually reduce emergency room wait times because the people who used to use the ER for non-emergency needs stop that practice because they have coverage -
that was kind of evasive.

here...

http://nation.foxnews.com/2014/07/07/obamacare-overwhelming-california-ers-spiking-wait-times
The average wait time for an emergency room in California has risen to five hours–and thanks to Obamacare, some doctors fear it’s about to get worse.

While many Californians have enrolled in healthcare through Obamacare, far fewer doctors are accepting that insurance than the law’s proponents predicted. As a result, patients are heading to the emergency room to receive primary care.



http://articles.latimes.com/2014/feb/04/business/la-fi-obamacare-patients-20140205
Many consumers faced hurdles signing up for Covered California health plans. Now they're having trouble finding in-network doctors.


http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/05/obamacare-wildfires-breaking-out-in-california/
Obamacare wildfires breaking out in California
Complaints include enrollment confirmation issues, inaccurate provider lists, access to care.


shall I go on?
 
...from your article: "The average wait time for an emergency room in California has risen to five hours–and thanks to Obamacare, some doctors fear it’s about to get worse."

...has risen from what? That is important to know and is not addressed anywhere.

...some doctors - not all doctors. "Some" of what percentage of doctors?

...the news video clearly notes people are misusing ER's for non-ER purposes - duh. The video also interviews ONE doctor who will not accept new Medicare patients - did they interview any doctors that DO accept new medicare patients? Couldn't they find one?

...the LATimes article is 7-months old. It would be good to see an update if there were one...

 
Yes, has risen. From what? no idea. point is, they are going up. Yes, they existed prior to Obamacare. Immaterial. The fact they existed before does not excuse or negate the increase, which is what you're implying.
 
...what I am saying is - there always have been wait times, there always will be wait times.

...has PPACA contributed to the problem? maybe, maybe not - it is still too soon to tell. Imagine if it turns out to actually reduce emergency room wait times because the people who used to use the ER for non-emergency needs stop that practice because they have coverage -

Best bet? Ignore the bastard and/or convince him to relegate you to the ignore bin as he has 22 others.
 
...it is not immaterial at all - and it does matter "from what" with respect to the wait times. It also matters that people have been sadly conditioned to use the ER for non-ER services.

Yes, has risen. From what? no idea. point is, they are going up. Yes, they existed prior to Obamacare. Immaterial. The fact they existed before does not excuse or negate the increase, which is what you're implying.
 
...it is not immaterial at all - and it does matter "from what" with respect to the wait times. It also matters that people have been sadly conditioned to use the ER for non-ER services.
yes, it is immaterial. The fact that wait times have existed previously for ER's, does NOT negate the fact that said times have gotten worse under Obamacare.

I fully agree on your other point.
 
...no, I don't like to ignore anyone - I am not as good as I would like to be at remaining calm and discussing things but ignoring is not in my nature.:)

Best bet? Ignore the bastard and/or convince him to relegate you to the ignore bin as he has 22 others.
 
...no, I don't like to ignore anyone - I am not as good as I would like to be at remaining calm and discussing things but ignoring is not in my nature.:)

I have nobody on ignore either. Guess my point was to attempt to achieve his ignore bin and join Mino, Swimmer, Craig, FS, ITALIA, Julie, Renee, Spam, WB and many other fine posters! ;-)
 
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