The will of the people be damned

[Boca]

http://constitution.com/two-new-shocking-polls-prove-democrats-wrong/


Dueling polls released by CBS and UC Berkeley should be all the proof that Americans need to understand just how out-of-touch the Democrat Party is with the rest of America.

First, a new poll from the liberals at University of California Berkeley is sending shockwaves throughout the state of California. The pollster asked if California residents would like to see the state BAN so-called “Sanctuary Cities” and found that roughly 74% of Californians wished that the state would end “Sanctuary” practices! Remember California easily sided with Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump in the most recent election, but still the vast majority of the state’s voters want to see Sanctuary Cities outlawed. The poll found that 82% of Republicans want the ban, 74% of Democrats, 70% of Independents, and, most surprisingly, 65% of Hispanics!

 

[as seen on tv]

voters in the cities themselves seem to favor sanctuary status. statewide opinion doesn't come into play.

that's not a statement in support of sanctuary city designation. I'm simply pointing out that a poll of statewide residents has no bearing on San Francisco's sanctuary status, any more than state preferences decide who san franciscos mayor is, or city property taxes, or construction of a new sports stadium within the city limits.

san Francisco voters get to decide those issues for themselves. and then live with the consequences if their decisions turn out to be violations of federal law with financial penalities attendant to them.

 

[georgephillip]

http://constitution.com/two-new-shocking-polls-prove-democrats-wrong/


Dueling polls released by CBS and UC Berkeley should be all the proof that Americans need to understand just how out-of-touch the Democrat Party is with the rest of America.

First, a new poll from the liberals at University of California Berkeley is sending shockwaves throughout the state of California. The pollster asked if California residents would like to see the state BAN so-called “Sanctuary Cities” and found that roughly 74% of Californians wished that the state would end “Sanctuary” practices! Remember California easily sided with Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump in the most recent election, but still the vast majority of the state’s voters want to see Sanctuary Cities outlawed. The poll found that 82% of Republicans want the ban, 74% of Democrats, 70% of Independents, and, most surprisingly, 65% of Hispanics!

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com...nctuary-cities-opposition-20170120-story.html

"Our laws cannot be left unenforced because someone here illegally fears reporting a crime. Peace officers generally do not require crime victims to provide an immigration status. All law enforcement officers have an absolute right to inquire of any person’s immigration status at their discretion. It is unfathomable that sanctuary ordinances restrict law enforcement from this right given it was unanimously affirmed by the U.S. Supreme Court in Muehler v. Mena. Also, all local and state governments are required by federal law to share an immigration status with federal authorities pursuant 8 U.S. Code 1373."

Peace officers in my neck of the woods believe requiring crime victims to provide proof of immigration status would lead to rising crime rates that would affect citizens and migrants in the community.

"Gang map of the Pico Union area of Central Los Angeles - See more at: http://www.streetgangs.com/features/pico-union_090209#sthash.TuYPjRZu.dpuf"

 

[UPNYA2]

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com...nctuary-cities-opposition-20170120-story.html

"Our laws cannot be left unenforced because someone here illegally fears reporting a crime. Peace officers generally do not require crime victims to provide an immigration status. All law enforcement officers have an absolute right to inquire of any person’s immigration status at their discretion. It is unfathomable that sanctuary ordinances restrict law enforcement from this right given it was unanimously affirmed by the U.S. Supreme Court in Muehler v. Mena. Also, all local and state governments are required by federal law to share an immigration status with federal authorities pursuant 8 U.S. Code 1373."

Peace officers in my neck of the woods believe requiring crime victims to provide proof of immigration status would lead to rising crime rates that would affect citizens and migrants in the community.

"Gang map of the Pico Union area of Central Los Angeles - See more at: http://www.streetgangs.com/features/pico-union_090209#sthash.TuYPjRZu.dpuf"

Really?

"Our laws cannot be left unenforced because someone here illegally fears reporting a crime."

If in fact, "Our laws cannot be left unenforced", wouldn't we need to identify those who are, "here illegally", and remove them?

Also, peace officers in MY neck of the woods know that requiring crime victims to provide proof of immigration status would prove rising crime rates due to the fact that those with an illegal status are, well ILLEGAL. As in, it is a crime. So, yeah, the crime rate would indeed increase. Or at least our knowledge of it would. And yes, THAT would affect citizens and LEGAL migrants in the community.

 

[georgephillip]

Also, peace officers in MY neck of the woods know that requiring crime victims to provide proof of immigration status would prove rising crime rates due to the fact that those with an illegal status are, well ILLEGAL. As in, it is a crime. So, yeah, the crime rate would indeed increase. Or at least our knowledge of it would. And yes, THAT would affect citizens and LEGAL migrants in the community.

Not all crimes are created equal.
If an illegal migrant working multiple jobs observes a violent crime and risks being deported for reporting that crime, how is society any more safe?

 

[connieb]

Not all crimes are created equal.
If an illegal migrant working multiple jobs observes a violent crime and risks being deported for reporting that crime, how is society any more safe?

Well the illegal commiting identity theft, fraud and perjury to work, is as much of a criminal as the person who did a violent crime. So, they should both go.

But, regardless, most cops have better things to do than harass reporting citizens. It takes time, effort and paperwork to do that, the issue is do you hold people you are otherwise arresting - and get their immigration status. And, that - every cop should do.

 

[georgephillip]

Well the illegal commiting identity theft, fraud and perjury to work, is as much of a criminal as the person who did a violent crime. So, they should both go.

Would you rather have you SS number stolen or be murdered? Are thief and killer guilty of equal crimes?

 

[connieb]

Would you rather have you SS number stolen or be murdered? Are thief and killer guilty of equal crimes?

What a ridiculous statement. It is not an either or. Crime is crime. They are both felonies. And, it is ridiculous to think that the ONLY possible way a crime can ever be solved is if some illegal happens to witness it and report it which they will not any longer. That is just another stupid diversionary tactic.

 

[Arkady]

http://constitution.com/two-new-shocking-polls-prove-democrats-wrong/


Dueling polls released by CBS and UC Berkeley should be all the proof that Americans need to understand just how out-of-touch the Democrat Party is with the rest of America.

First, a new poll from the liberals at University of California Berkeley is sending shockwaves throughout the state of California. The pollster asked if California residents would like to see the state BAN so-called “Sanctuary Cities” and found that roughly 74% of Californians wished that the state would end “Sanctuary” practices! Remember California easily sided with Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump in the most recent election, but still the vast majority of the state’s voters want to see Sanctuary Cities outlawed. The poll found that 82% of Republicans want the ban, 74% of Democrats, 70% of Independents, and, most surprisingly, 65% of Hispanics!

Polls like that can come down to how you word the polling. For example, if you frame it as whether local cities should be able to ignore a federal request to hold a detained person who is in the country illegally, they'll probably say no, because the nature of the question framed the issue as a matter of ignoring the law and protecting the lawbreaker. If, instead, you asked whether the federal government should be able to force localities to expend their own resources to hold individuals the federal government wants detained, you may get the opposite response, because the nature of the question would frame the issue in terms of local control of local resources, in the face of unfunded federal mandates.

 

[SW48]

http://constitution.com/two-new-shocking-polls-prove-democrats-wrong/


Dueling polls released by CBS and UC Berkeley should be all the proof that Americans need to understand just how out-of-touch the Democrat Party is with the rest of America.

First, a new poll from the liberals at University of California Berkeley is sending shockwaves throughout the state of California. The pollster asked if California residents would like to see the state BAN so-called “Sanctuary Cities” and found that roughly 74% of Californians wished that the state would end “Sanctuary” practices! Remember California easily sided with Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump in the most recent election, but still the vast majority of the state’s voters want to see Sanctuary Cities outlawed. The poll found that 82% of Republicans want the ban, 74% of Democrats, 70% of Independents, and, most surprisingly, 65% of Hispanics!

They get further out of touch with every single far left "everyone gets a trophy" and "politically correct" idea that someone from the far left comes up with. While the country is and always has been in the middle.

If Obama had come up with the temporary travel ban the far left would have been all for it. That is how crazy and blind some partisans are. And I am not even saying I am for or against the travel ban but 90 to 120 days is nothing to get make sure you get vetting right. But the far left is UNBELIEVABLE in their hatred for anything not PC.

This was a quote by a black democrat on a Sunday morning talk show that really stuck with me. Talking about his own party ""If you are outraged about everything then nothing is outrageous"

By protesting everything Trump does (who was fairly elected unfortunately) the far left is painting the entire left as the party of no. And by protesting everything they are normalizing it. Will being associated with "no" and protesting increase turnout at the polls? I'm not sure it does.

 

[UPNYA2]

Not all crimes are created equal.
If an illegal migrant working multiple jobs observes a violent crime and risks being deported for reporting that crime, how is society any more safe?

"Not all crimes are created equal."

No arguments here, all too true. So tell me this, being that is so, is this choosing to just ignore a law in case the perp can help correct another crime something we should do for everyone or JUST non-citizens?

 

[Mr. Friscus]

http://constitution.com/two-new-shocking-polls-prove-democrats-wrong/


Dueling polls released by CBS and UC Berkeley should be all the proof that Americans need to understand just how out-of-touch the Democrat Party is with the rest of America.

First, a new poll from the liberals at University of California Berkeley is sending shockwaves throughout the state of California. The pollster asked if California residents would like to see the state BAN so-called “Sanctuary Cities” and found that roughly 74% of Californians wished that the state would end “Sanctuary” practices! Remember California easily sided with Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump in the most recent election, but still the vast majority of the state’s voters want to see Sanctuary Cities outlawed. The poll found that 82% of Republicans want the ban, 74% of Democrats, 70% of Independents, and, most surprisingly, 65% of Hispanics!

Read this: This is Bill Clinton in 1995 at the State of the Union. He's basically quoting Donald Trump verbatim:

"All Americans, not only in the states most heavily affected, but in every place in this country, are rightly disturbed by the large numbers of illegal aliens entering our country. The jobs they hold might otherwise be held by citizens or legal immigrants. The public service they use impose burdens on our taxpayers. That's why our administration has moved aggressively to secure our borders more by hiring a record number of new border guards, by deporting twice as many criminal aliens as ever before, by cracking down on illegal hiring, by barring welfare benefits to illegal aliens.

In the budget I will present to you we will try to do more to speed the deportation of illegal aliens who are arrested for crimes, to better identify illegal aliens in the workplace as recommended by the commission headed by former Congresswoman Barbara Jordan.

We are a nation of immigrants. But we are also a nation of laws. It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years, and we must do more to stop it."​

Democrats have sprinted rabidly left.. and yes, they are completely out of touch with the American people.

 

[Dawg]

They get further out of touch with every single far left "everyone gets a trophy" and "politically correct" idea that someone from the far left comes up with. While the country is and always has been in the middle.

If Obama had come up with the temporary travel ban the far left would have been all for it. That is how crazy and blind some partisans are. And I am not even saying I am for or against the travel ban but 90 to 120 days is nothing to get make sure you get vetting right. But the far left is UNBELIEVABLE in their hatred for anything not PC.

This was a quote by a black democrat on a Sunday morning talk show that really stuck with me. Talking about his own party ""If you are outraged about everything then nothing is outrageous"

By protesting everything Trump does (who was fairly elected unfortunately) the far left is painting the entire left as the party of no. And by protesting everything they are normalizing it. Will being associated with "no" and protesting increase turnout at the polls? I'm not sure it does.

Congress had already passed law to restrict travel form the same 7 countries in Trumps EO, as far back as 2011 and again in 2015, Θ didn't Veto either:

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/01/how-trumps-travel-ban-differs-from-obamas-visa-restrictions/

Why wasn't libs on war path back then?

 

[Boca]

Why wasn't libs on war path back then?

Two reasons 1) that was different 2) the cancer has metastasized.

 

[EatTheRich]

They get further out of touch with every single far left "everyone gets a trophy" and "politically correct" idea that someone from the far left comes up with. While the country is and always has been in the middle.

If Obama had come up with the temporary travel ban the far left would have been all for it. That is how crazy and blind some partisans are. And I am not even saying I am for or against the travel ban but 90 to 120 days is nothing to get make sure you get vetting right. But the far left is UNBELIEVABLE in their hatred for anything not PC.

This was a quote by a black democrat on a Sunday morning talk show that really stuck with me. Talking about his own party ""If you are outraged about everything then nothing is outrageous"

By protesting everything Trump does (who was fairly elected unfortunately) the far left is painting the entire left as the party of no. And by protesting everything they are normalizing it. Will being associated with "no" and protesting increase turnout at the polls? I'm not sure it does.

It worked for the Republicans.

 

[Dawg]

Two reasons 1) that was different 2) the cancer has metastasized.

Maybe it's why Record number of Americans giving up their citizenship:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/mark...zenship/ar-AAmOejD?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp

 

[Jen]

http://constitution.com/two-new-shocking-polls-prove-democrats-wrong/


Dueling polls released by CBS and UC Berkeley should be all the proof that Americans need to understand just how out-of-touch the Democrat Party is with the rest of America.

First, a new poll from the liberals at University of California Berkeley is sending shockwaves throughout the state of California. The pollster asked if California residents would like to see the state BAN so-called “Sanctuary Cities” and found that roughly 74% of Californians wished that the state would end “Sanctuary” practices! Remember California easily sided with Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump in the most recent election, but still the vast majority of the state’s voters want to see Sanctuary Cities outlawed. The poll found that 82% of Republicans want the ban, 74% of Democrats, 70% of Independents, and, most surprisingly, 65% of Hispanics!

I never thought the will of the few would be tyranny......

 

[georgephillip]

"Not all crimes are created equal."

No arguments here, all too true. So tell me this, being that is so, is this choosing to just ignore a law in case the perp can help correct another crime something we should do for everyone or JUST non-citizens?

We should consider the reasons migrants come to the US in the first place and factor that into how we treat migrants who have committed no crimes of violence after they arrived. For example, a woman who has lived here for over 20 years was recently deported from Arizona...

https://www.democracynow.org/2017/2/10/ice_raids_speed_into_overdrive_advocates

"We are joined from Phoenix by Aarón Rayos, the husband of a mother of two U.S.-born children who is at the center of an immigration fight in Arizona and has been deported to Mexico.

"Guadalupe García de Rayos was arrested and detained Wednesday during a routine check-in with immigration officials.

"She had been living in the United States for the past 21 years, but had been arrested in 2008 during a raid on a water park in Maricopa County and convicted of a felony for using forged documents in order to get a job.

"Advocates say her arrest signals a clear shift by the Trump administration to deport people considered a "low priority" for removal under President Obama."

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

I never thought the will of the few would be tyranny......

That is the only kind of tyranny.