There are many kinds of intelligence

[justoffal]

IMO the chart below doesn't even scratch the surface. I work with a lot of very smart people by worldly standards. PHD degrees are a dime a dozen here and the BA's are a nickel a dozen.....not to denigrate mind you just not too impressed with the letters.

Now then we have some brilliant engineers that the company has not assigned to any particular department .... they are called " Thinking Engineers " by the company... ( once again I have to remain sparse on details per company rules but you get the picture ).

These guys just walk into a problem...electrical, mechanical, electronic, software...whatever and they come up with a solution. They are worth their weight in gold..very smart, very capable people and yet I have seen them meet their match with the more modestly esteemed personnel here. Let me explain.

Not long ago we had a real problem with the mach six controls of a 20 megawatt turbo generator. Damn thing just wouldn't stay on and all the diagnostics were normal.

So we crawled all over it looking for problems ...and came up with nothing. Start it up...latch it in...synchronize and then BANG! The Steam feed would trip every time...with absolutely no diagnostic indicator! It was maddening! So in came the thinkers....and they thought and thought and thought....now I am used to seeing these guys find the problem...they always do...but not this time! So we went up to the " Super Thinker " from out of state. He came in and mind you now this guy is a bit of a legend...kinda like the company Einstein. He put his mind to work on the problem...and he did diagnose it properly ...an electrical short from the turbine shaft... but where was it shorting to? Couldn't locate it! So now we had the Thinkers....and the super thinker...and still no Turbo-generator. So we got an idea....let's call Jimmy. He was the operator for thirty years and now retired but hell why not?

The search was on....somebody must know where Jimmy is....and voila...he was there were he usually was...at the local bar room. working on his IQ score heh heh heh.

We told him what was happening and the boss had arranged for him to be paid a consultant fee. So Jimmy, after five years of being gone made an appearance at the plant. He didn't say much he just asked for the condenser to be drained and the end plates to be removed from the unit. Inside of an hour this was done. He then approached the condenser and got down to look at the Sacrificial Zinc plate located in the effluent stream side of the condenser outlet. It was badly corroded! Looked like somebody cut it up with a plasma torch! He said.. " Take it out...insulate the back and then put a new one in there." We did it. Now in the mean time the thinkers were standing and watching with amazement....saying very little. The work was completed and sure enough the problem was solved.

Jimmy was back in the bar room shortly after that....God bless him...I really miss that guy.

JO

 

[Addy]

Interesting chart, want to share the types of intelligence you envision yourself as having?

 

[justoffal]

Interesting chart, want to share the types of intelligence you envision yourself as having?

I think that's for others to decide...one thing I do know....a person who thinks they know it all...is not intelligent at all.

JO

 

[Addy]

I think that's for others to decide...one thing I do know....a person who thinks they know it all...is not intelligent at all.

JO

It's impossible for any person to know everything, I agree. Your post made me remember those aptitude tests we had to take when we were seniors in school. My highest scores were shown to be in electrical engineering. I am still puzzled over that assessment.

 

[justoffal]

It's impossible for any person to know everything, I agree. Your post made me remember those aptitude tests we had to take when we were seniors in school. My highest scores were shown to be in electrical engineering. I am still puzzled over that assessment.

IQ tests are a crock and an opportunity to feel superior. Most of the people that know their score are conceited asses IMO who need to feel as though they are smarter than the next guy for whatever reason. I watched a special needs kid slaughter a calculus instructor on the chess board years ago...tell me who was smarter? Unable to stand the shame the idiot insisted on a rematch which had the same result. IQ? Really?

JO

 

[Addy]

IQ tests are a crock and an opportunity to feel superior. Most of the people that know their score are conceited asses IMO who need to feel as though they are smarter. I watched a special needs kid slaughter a calculus instructor on the chess board yeas ago...tell me who was smarter? Unable to stand the shame the idiot insisted on a rematch which had the same result. IQ? Really?

JO

The brain works in various/unique ways for all of us (personally) and intelligence comes in many forms just as your chart shows.
I believe our brain still works during sleep, maybe that's why we dream.

 

[connieb]

IMO the chart below doesn't even scratch the surface. I work with a lot of very smart people by worldly standards. PHD degrees are a dime a dozen here and the BA's are a nickel a dozen.....not to denigrate mind you just not too impressed with the letters.

Now then we have some brilliant engineers that the company has not assigned to any particular department .... they are called " Thinking Engineers " by the company... ( once again I have to remain sparse on details per company rules but you get the picture ).

These guys just walk into a problem...electrical, mechanical, electronic, software...whatever and they come up with a solution. They are worth their weight in gold..very smart, very capable people and yet I have seen them meet their match with the more modestly esteemed personnel here. Let me explain.

Not long ago we had a real problem with the mach six controls of a 20 megawatt turbo generator. Damn thing just wouldn't stay on and all the diagnostics were normal.

So we crawled all over it looking for problems ...and came up with nothing. Start it up...latch it in...synchronize and then BANG! The Steam feed would trip every time...with absolutely no diagnostic indicator! It was maddening! So in came the thinkers....and they thought and thought and thought....now I am used to seeing these guys find the problem...they always do...but not this time! So we went up to the " Super Thinker " from out of state. He came in and mind you now this guy is a bit of a legend...kinda like the company Einstein. He put his mind to work on the problem...and he did diagnose it properly ...an electrical short from the turbine shaft... but where was it shorting to? Couldn't locate it! So now we had the Thinkers....and the super thinker...and still no Turbo-generator. So we got an idea....let's call Jimmy. He was the operator for thirty years and now retired but hell why not?

The search was on....somebody must know where Jimmy is....and voila...he was there were he usually was...at the local bar room. working on his IQ score heh heh heh.

We told him what was happening and the boss had arranged for him to be paid a consultant fee. So Jimmy, after five years of being gone made an appearance at the plant. He didn't say much he just asked for the condenser to be drained and the end plates to be removed from the unit. Inside of an hour this was done. He then approached the condenser and got down to look at the Sacrificial Zinc plate located in the effluent stream side of the condenser outlet. It was badly corroded! Looked like somebody cut it up with a plasma torch! He said.. " Take it out...insulate the back and then put a new one in there." We did it. Now in the mean time the thinkers were standing and watching with amazement....saying very little. The work was completed and sure enough the problem was solved.

Jimmy was back in the bar room shortly after that....God bless him...I really miss that guy.

JO

Interesting. I would take a mechanically inclined problem solver over a book smart philosopher or artist any day.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

These guys just walk into a problem...electrical, mechanical, electronic, software...whatever and they come up with a solution.

Indeed. The providers, creators, and those who embrace efficiency and passion for their work.

They are often demonized as less intelligent by pointless leftist Sociology majors who have an alphabet by their name but can barely tie their shoe. Being productive suggests an intelligence on its own.

 

[justoffal]

Indeed. The providers, creators, and those who embrace efficiency and passion for their work.

They are often demonized as less intelligent by pointless leftist Sociology majors who have an alphabet by their name but can barely tie their shoe. Being productive suggests an intelligence on its own.

I'm not saying these guys aren't smart or even brilliant at times...they are....however they do not have a lock on SMART just because they spent 300K On tuition and spent ten years on campus somewhere. Not by a long shot. It actually cripples them...they are blinded to the real world smarts out there that are not peer reviewed and they lock themselves out of so many good things because of it.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Interesting chart, want to share the types of intelligence you envision yourself as having?

Nerds Corralled in Herds

That chart is the unnatural result of the way High IQs are manipulated, humiliated, intimidated, and channeled into one form of intelligence. Without a special attack on them from childhood on, they would display all forms of superior intelligence. Julius Caesar, for example, was among the best at everything only because he was allowed to be. High IQs are turned into meek geeks so they will become Cash Cows for the Corporate Cowboys.
abeautifulmind.proboards.com

 

[Capitalist]

Waiting. . .waiting. . .

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

IQ tests are a crock and an opportunity to feel superior. Most of the people that know their score are conceited asses IMO who need to feel as though they are smarter than the next guy for whatever reason. I watched a special needs kid slaughter a calculus instructor on the chess board years ago...tell me who was smarter? Unable to stand the shame the idiot insisted on a rematch which had the same result. IQ? Really?

JO

Don't be a Bell Curve denier.

 

[Caroljo]

Where I just retired from, we had many very smart Engineers....many had been there for years and years. Over the year they've learned when something goes wrong with a machine, or how a part is built, and it's not immediately obvious what it is....they ALWAYS consult the people that run those machines or builds those parts FIRST. I'd say 8 out of 10 times the Operator knows what to look for.

My brother in law owned a Radio tower company and was really smart about the whole process of putting up these towers and all the things that go into it. But he had absolutely NO common sense on every day living.

We need all these types of people in the world.

 

[Fast Eddy]

Jimmy is a good example of a pragmetic, common sense type person. That is something never measured and hard to find unless you work with people like that. If you get the High IQ and the pragmatic person you have a home run of an employee.

Some people can work at a job for 20 years and understand less than the new guy that jut came aboard.

 

[Addy]

Nerds Corralled in Herds

That chart is the unnatural result of the way High IQs are manipulated, humiliated, intimidated, and channeled into one form of intelligence. Without a special attack on them from childhood on, they would display all forms of superior intelligence. Julius Caesar, for example, was among the best at everything only because he was allowed to be. High IQs are turned into meek geeks so they will become Cash Cows for the Corporate Cowboys.
abeautifulmind.proboards.com

I really liked/enjoyed that movie with Russell Crowe, he portrayed the character so well. I had forgotten about it until I saw your link. I believe the movie was based on a real person/true story. Thanks.

A Beautiful Mind (2001) Official Trailer - Russell Crowe Movie HD

 

[Addy]

The Beautiful Mind of John Nash : Documentary on the Life and Struggles of John Nash

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

The Beautiful Mind of John Nash : Documentary on the Life and Struggles of John Nash

Why do you think he went insane?

 

[Addy]

Why do you think he went insane?

I don't know, sorry.
I think he was diagnosed with schizophrenia. Maybe it was caused by faulty wiring in his brain from birth.
He was under lots of stress when he had his major psychotic break.
Nowadays, some recreational drug users often end up with some of the same mental problems.
Watching him speak in the documentary, he seemed to be quite well. Evidently, his medicines/treatment must have been working.

 

[Days]

The brain works in various/unique ways for all of us (personally) and intelligence comes in many forms just as your chart shows.
I believe our brain still works during sleep, maybe that's why we dream.

The brain is not the sole domain of intelligence. Intelligence is a result of the regulation of blood flow from the heart and lungs pacing the brain. Intelligence is a flow dynamic.

It isn't a static electrical board, it is more like the output of a jet engine.

sorry I couldn't think of better examples.

How about feelings? Those are not thoughts, neither are moods. There's a lot more to being alive than just brain storming. How about instincts? How about love and hate? When we say "gifted" - isn't that something like being anointed? Is the gift of healing the same as being intelligent?

What about faith and hope? Determination? The ability to work harder at something? A lot of problems are solved by these qualities, are any of them intelligence?

How about imagination? And like you said, dreams? Does our brain create those or is our heart and mind receiving them, like tuners receiving a signal?

When we say "intelligent life" does it automatically deserve to be a soul? Does a being or god need to be intelligent? What about morals, scruples, principals, loyalty, honor, and pride? Are they signs of intelligence? I think, therefore I AM, at least, I think I am the one doing the thinking in my head... would if all these thoughts that pass through me, have nothing to do with my brain and would if they are just angels passing through and my soul is just a retainer for their life? Would that create a kind of "deja-vu" feeling, like being in touch with spirits that have created all kinds of life for eons and eons? How could a prophet record the sons of gods all singing at the creation of the earth? Was that a thought that came into his brain?

Some times, I think we tend to think too much of our thinking.

 

[Addy]

Some times, I think we tend to think too much of our thinking.

Good line, Days.
And nothing was even mentioned of artificial intelligence.