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[fxstc]

I dont know about you, but I have been trying to understand why a person would do such a heinous act.
I gave up on it, and instead am trying to figure out what can be done about.
It would even involve a gun.
I can see (in the short run) a solution that could work.

Schools MUST install security devices equivalent to such devices as seen in airports with an armed guard at each station.
Security devices such as all doors made of high security design, to lock down. (Exterior and enterior)
We have the money and the manpower, and I dont see why we cannot incorporate such measures in our schools.
I know we have a lot of schools, but damn it SOMETHING has to be done to stop these insane individuals from killing our children.

 

[IrishOne]

This elementary had state-of-the-art security where any one visiting had to be buzzed in after being viewed on camera. It has to be limiting access to guns by the public.

 

[LeRoy_Was_Here]

An armed guard at each entry and exit from each and every one of our schools? Are you daft? Do you have any awareness of how much that would COST? Almost every one of the fifty states have been savagely cutting funding for education ever since the financial crisis erupted in 2008, and you propose THIS??

 

[fxstc]

This elementary had state-of-the-art security where any one visiting had to be buzzed in after being viewed on camera. It has to be limiting access to guns by the public.

How do you propose doing that?

 

[fxstc]

This elementary had state-of-the-art security where any one visiting had to be buzzed in after being viewed on camera. It has to be limiting access to guns by the public.

Seeing one on camera means nothing

 

[fairsheet]

I'd be alright with upping school security to the max. But, as a non-gun owner and agnostic regarding "gun rights", I don't think I should have to pay for it. I think it should be paid for, via a sufficient tax on guns and bullets.

 

[fxstc]

An armed guard at each entry and exit from each and every one of our schools? Are you daft? Do you have any awareness of how much that would COST? Almost every one of the fifty states have been savagely cutting funding for education ever since the financial crisis erupted in 2008, and you propose THIS??

Dont have to do that.
Could have ONE entry into school grounds

 

[BRU]

My hubby just said the same thing. Our kids schools require you get buzzed in too; but since his mom was a teacher there they had no reason not to buzz him in. Metal detectors would be the first thing that should be installed at every entrance. It's sad that we live in a world like this today, but we do; so we have to adapt to the society we live in.

 

[BRU]

This elementary had state-of-the-art security where any one visiting had to be buzzed in after being viewed on camera. It has to be limiting access to guns by the public.

They didn't have a metal detector.

 

[fxstc]

Dont have to do that.
Could have ONE entry into school grounds

We have a school like that here.
Only one way in or out.

 

[LeRoy_Was_Here]

Dont have to do that.
Could have ONE entry into school grounds

Having just one entry into school grounds is simply not workable. For one thing, it would run afoul of fire regulations. When we have a fire drill at our school, the students head for the nearest exit. And there are about six of them. Suppose there was a REAL fire, and all the students were trying to get out through ONE exit. Yikes! You would likely have students getting killed from getting stampeded, or getting stuck in the school and burned to death.

Your 'solution' would also make schools look much more like prisons than schools. Not at all desirable.

 

[LeRoy_Was_Here]

We have a school like that here.
Only one way in or out.

Well, that's dumb. What if there's a fire?

 

[fxstc]

Having just one entry into school grounds is simply not workable. For one thing, it would run afoul of fire regulations. When we have a fire drill at our school, the students head for the nearest exit. And there are about six of them. Suppose there was a REAL fire, and all the students were trying to get out through ONE exit. Yikes! You would likely have students getting killed from getting stampeded, or getting stuck in the school and burned to death.

Didnt say that.
One entry to GROUNDS.
School can have as many exits as they need.

 

[LeRoy_Was_Here]

Having just one entry into school grounds is simply not workable. For one thing, it would run afoul of fire regulations. When we have a fire drill at our school, the students head for the nearest exit. And there are about six of them. Suppose there was a REAL fire, and all the students were trying to get out through ONE exit. Yikes! You would likely have students getting killed from getting stampeded, or getting stuck in the school and burned to death.

Didnt say that.
One entry to GROUNDS.
School can have as many exits as they need.

This gets dumber and dumber. So you would have to build large walls around every school. Making them look EVEN MORE like prisons. We don't want to send our kids to prison. We want to send the bad guys to prison. See the difference?

 

[fxstc]

This gets dumber and dumber. So you would have to build large walls around every school. Making them look EVEN MORE like prisons. We don't want to send our kids to prison. We want to send the bad guys to prison. See the difference?

Do airports look like prisons?
Say what you like, SOMETHING has to be done to curb this madness.

 

[fxstc]

Do airports look like prisons?
Say what you like, SOMETHING has to be done to curb this madness.

I didnt say anything about walls either

 

[LeRoy_Was_Here]

Do airports look like prisons?
Say what you like, SOMETHING has to be done to curb this madness.

We have security procedures at airports to prevent people from getting on planes with weapons. [And those security measures are very expensive, I hope you know.] There is NOTHING that would stop someone from going INTO an airport with an arsenal like this guy had, and blowing away hundreds of people in short order. To prevent that, we would indeed need to build large walls around airports, with only one entrance, and elaborate security measures at that one entrance. And then the airports would need to be much larger, to contain the runways that the planes need to take off and land. Again, simply unworkable.

You keep trying to dance around the real issue: the easy access that people in America have to weapons capable of killing large numbers of people in just a few minutes, before the police can arrive.

 

[fairsheet]

I didnt say anything about walls either

What then? Moats? That'd be sorta cool. Kids like looking for frogs, bugs, and the like. But then...we'd probably have to make 'em wear life-jackets all day long.

 

[LeRoy_Was_Here]

I didnt say anything about walls either

Well, then, DUH!! Explain to me how you are going to have only ONE entrance to the grounds of a large school, without having walls.

 

[NightSwimmer]

What would you do about churches and shopping malls?

I'm not advocating stringent gun control, but I'd rather have that than to live my entire life in a freaking prison camp environment.

Truth is, freedom comes with risk. Put on your big boy pants and get over it.

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