This bathroom stuff gets so confusing...

[Bugsy McGurk]

My position is a gay transvestite should use the mens room that agrees with their biological gender. So that girls and women in the women's room - are afforded the safety of not being forced into close proximity with a strange male, particularly while they are in a vulnerable position.

No one with a brain lets their minor boys use the men's room unaccompanied anyway. But, the women's room has long been considered more safe for women and girls.

I concede that there are a number of factors and scenarios, but you raise a different question than the one I asked.

It looks like no one can make the case that forcing a gay transvestite to use the mens room decreases the threat of child abuse in that restroom.

And I assure you that minors often use restrooms unaccompanied by adults. Not often very young boys, but minors? Quite frequently.

 

[connieb]

Imagine a boy using the restroom alone with a gay man dressed as a woman approaching him?
This type of situation polices itself.

Yes, exactly. The fact that that person would stand out as a freak would put the kid on high alert at least.

It is already difficult to go out as a parent with children of a different gender because the world is so full of freaks and weirdos. While most moms just make their boys come into the women's room with them - that was MUCH harder for Dad's because of the lack of privacy at the urinals, so they would often send their girls into the women's room alone.

Now that my son is too big to go into the women's room it is a big, big problem. Thankfully man places have started with the private "family" restroom.

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

It's your thread. You feel free to answer anything you like.

It doesn't change the fact that your situation is not the least bit "confusing". It's cut and dried.

You apparently support a person using different rest rooms based on their mindset. I'm completely opposed to such a thing as are most respectful and sensible Americans.

I know you can keep saying you oppose things, but my question is specific, and you can provide no sensible answer to it.

 

[connieb]

I concede that there are a number of factors and scenarios, but you raise a different question than the one I asked.

It looks like no one can make the case that forcing a gay transvestite to use the mens room decreases the threat of child abuse in that restroom.

And I assure you that minors often use restrooms unaccompanied by adults. Not often very young boys, but minors? Quite frequently.

As I told you, it reduces the risk simply because it makes sure that a man - is not in an enclosed space, with a female in a vulnerable position. So, it decreases the risk of child abuse in the women's room by removing the presence of a man - from the women's room. Men are more likely than women by far to be pedophiles and also rapists so anything that removes a man - from an enclosed space where women or girls are in a vulnerable position - decreases that risk.

male children are already generally not allowed in the men's room by their parents. But, female children particularly out with thier fathers - are often sent into the women's restroom by themselves. So, if male children are already not allowed unaccompanied into the men's room, then the safest place from the perspective of a parent for all men to use the restroom - is the men's room. Because girls will not be in there and neither will unaccompanied male children.

At the point that a parent would feel their child is physically strong enough to be able to fight off an attacker in the men's room or considered to have reasonable sense of danger and awareness of their surroundings, I imagine they would be allowed unaccompanied into the mens room. I don't know what age that is, but certainly not under 14 or 15 years old.

connie

 

[Dino]

I know you can keep saying you oppose things, but my question is specific, and you can provide no sensible answer to it.

There's no reasonable justification for a gay man, dressed however, to use the woman's room.

That makes your question EASY to answer.

We police criminal situations the way we always have. A man dressed as a woman committing crimes in a bathroom will be easy to describe and catch.

We are not going to make exceptions for a tiny percentage of "gay" men because of the even slimmer possibility that some are child molesters powerless to control themselves in public places.

You're being ridiculous.

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

As I told you, it reduces the risk simply because it makes sure that a man - is not in an enclosed space, with a female in a vulnerable position. So, it decreases the risk of child abuse in the women's room by removing the presence of a man - from the women's room. Men are more likely than women by far to be pedophiles and also rapists so anything that removes a man - from an enclosed space where women or girls are in a vulnerable position - decreases that risk.

male children are already generally not allowed in the men's room by their parents. But, female children particularly out with thier fathers - are often sent into the women's restroom by themselves. So, if male children are already not allowed unaccompanied into the men's room, then the safest place from the perspective of a parent for all men to use the restroom - is the men's room. Because girls will not be in there and neither will unaccompanied male children.

At the point that a parent would feel their child is physically strong enough to be able to fight off an attacker in the men's room or considered to have reasonable sense of danger and awareness of their surroundings, I imagine they would be allowed unaccompanied into the mens room. I don't know what age that is, but certainly not under 14 or 15 years old.

connie

Again, you raise the issue of use of womens' restrooms and, again, I acknowledge that the situation I raise is not the only relevant factor.

Back to my question though, you imagine that no minors make use of mens rooms alone, other than those big and strong enough to fight off advances from males. That's just not true, but sexual abuse of minors often does not involve use of force in any event.

You do not concede that gay transvestites are more likely to attempt sexual abuse of minors in mens rooms, as opposed to womens rooms?

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

There's no reasonable justification for a gay man, dressed however, to use the woman's room.

That makes your question EASY to answer.

We police criminal situations the way we always have. A man dressed as a woman committing crimes in a bathroom will be easy to describe and catch.

We are not going to make exceptions for a tiny percentage of "gay" men because of the even slimmer possibility that some are child molesters powerless to control themselves in public places.

You're being ridiculous.

You're back to arguing law enforcement, which applies regardless of which rest room is used.

You refuse to concede the obvious.

 

[Dino]

You're back to arguing law enforcement, which applies regardless of which rest room is used.

You refuse to concede the obvious.

What's "obvious"? A gay man should be able to use the woman's restroom??

Absurd.

By the way, were you opposed to gay Boy Scout leaders??

 

[connieb]

Again, you raise the issue of use of womens' restrooms and, again, I acknowledge that the situation I raise is not the only relevant factor.

Back to my question though, you imagine that no minors make use of mens rooms alone, other than those big and strong enough to fight off advances from males. That's just not true, but sexual abuse of minors often does not involve use of force in any event.

You do not concede that gay transvestites are more likely to attempt sexual abuse of minors in mens rooms, as opposed to womens rooms?

They may be more likely to attempt that - but yet, they would be less likely to be given a potential victim.

Sexual abuse does not often always involve force, but in those situations - in involves months or years of grooming. Other times, it can absolutely involve force - because of the time necessary. There was a boy assualted about 6 years ago in my hometown in a mens room that he was allowed in unaccompanied.

Proving that men are often sexual predators- and should not be in contact with our children unsupervised. Since most responsible parents - already have leanred that lesson and don't let their sons go into the mens room unaccompanied - that is the safest place, from the perspective of a parent - to have all men use the restroom.

Furthermore, it is not necessarily the fear of the "gay male transvestite" would sexually abuse girls, that is the reason why all men should be using the men's room. It is the fear that a sexual predator will use the guise of a 'gay male transvestite" in order to gain access to the women's room. That he will not actually be a gale male transvestite, but either a heterosexual pedophile, using the guise of transvestite, in order to use women's rooms and be closer to their victims.

So, to summarize because you seem intent on turning this into a circular argument.

All men with male genetalia - no matter their orientation or clothing should use the mens room for these reasons:

1. male children will most often NOT be unaccompanied in the restroom. So even if someone was there to do something bad, they would have less of an opportunity. This contrasts with girls who do tend to use the restroom unaccompanied more often.

2. A gay male transvestite would stand out - and thus be a warning sign of something to avoid.
3. The obviousness of the weirdness of the individual in question may make other men in the facility who are good people - take notice and be on high alert and may be more aware to intervene is such a situation would arise.
4. It would prevent heterosexual pedophiles or those who want to do bad to women from being able to use the guise of transvestite and gain access to the women's room.
5. Anything that denies access of strange men to women and girls in an enclosed space, while they are in a vulnerable position is a good thing.

connie

 

[PhilFish]

There you have it.

Why force them to use mens rooms if the goal is avoiding child abuse?

huh?

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

They may be more likely to attempt that - but yet, they would be less likely to be given a potential victim.

Sexual abuse does not often always involve force, but in those situations - in involves months or years of grooming. Other times, it can absolutely involve force - because of the time necessary. There was a boy assualted about 6 years ago in my hometown in a mens room that he was allowed in unaccompanied.

Proving that men are often sexual predators- and should not be in contact with our children unsupervised. Since most responsible parents - already have leanred that lesson and don't let their sons go into the mens room unaccompanied - that is the safest place, from the perspective of a parent - to have all men use the restroom.

Furthermore, it is not necessarily the fear of the "gay male transvestite" would sexually abuse girls, that is the reason why all men should be using the men's room. It is the fear that a sexual predator will use the guise of a 'gay male transvestite" in order to gain access to the women's room. That he will not actually be a gale male transvestite, but either a heterosexual pedophile, using the guise of transvestite, in order to use women's rooms and be closer to their victims.

So, to summarize because you seem intent on turning this into a circular argument.

All men with male genetalia - no matter their orientation or clothing should use the mens room for these reasons:

1. male children will most often NOT be unaccompanied in the restroom. So even if someone was there to do something bad, they would have less of an opportunity. This contrasts with girls who do tend to use the restroom unaccompanied more often.

2. A gay male transvestite would stand out - and thus be a warning sign of something to avoid.
3. The obviousness of the weirdness of the individual in question may make other men in the facility who are good people - take notice and be on high alert and may be more aware to intervene is such a situation would arise.
4. It would prevent heterosexual pedophiles or those who want to do bad to women from being able to use the guise of transvestite and gain access to the women's room.
5. Anything that denies access of strange men to women and girls in an enclosed space, while they are in a vulnerable position is a good thing.

connie

Another thing of which you seem to be unaware - dads often take little girls into the mens room, rather than let them go unescorted into the womens room.

But back to my hypothetical, I got a "may" out of you. Not quite right, but as close as I can hope.

;-)

 

[connieb]

Another thing of which you seem to be unaware - dads often take little girls into the mens room, rather than let them go unescorted into the womens room.

But back to my hypothetical, I got a "may" out of you. Not quite right, but as close as I can hope.

;-)

Dad's do often take "little" girls into the mens' room. But, there is certainly an age between 7 - 10 where it is unsuitable for them to be in the men's room and also the dad can not take them into the ladies room.

I answered your hypothetical - with a hypothetical.

The answer is simply - it is ALWAYS best - ALWAYS safer and best to limit the interactions between strange males - and women and girls, and children. ALWAYS. Anything that does that, and in this case, making all men use the men's room does by the factors I previously outlined, is a good thing. And, if it prevents even one act of abuse, it was a monumental success.

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

Dad's do often take "little" girls into the mens' room. But, there is certainly an age between 7 - 10 where it is unsuitable for them to be in the men's room and also the dad can not take them into the ladies room.

I answered your hypothetical - with a hypothetical.

The answer is simply - it is ALWAYS best - ALWAYS safer and best to limit the interactions between strange males - and women and girls, and children. ALWAYS. Anything that does that, and in this case, making all men use the men's room does by the factors I previously outlined, is a good thing. And, if it prevents even one act of abuse, it was a monumental success.

Hmm...there goes the "may" answer.

;-)

 

[JuliefromOhio]

no one tried to keep the children safe from
Speaker of the House, Denny Hastert (R-IL), did they?

transvestites aren't into children.
gays aren't into children.
transgenders aren't into children.
some heteros are into children.

 

[Dino]

Hmm...there goes the "may" answer.

;-)

In case anyone's keeping score, you're still the only one here who is "confused". Maybe your hypothetical wasn't quite challenging enough?

 

[PhilFish]

Dad's do often take "little" girls into the mens' room. But, there is certainly an age between 7 - 10 where it is unsuitable for them to be in the men's room and also the dad can not take them into the ladies room.

I answered your hypothetical - with a hypothetical.

The answer is simply - it is ALWAYS best - ALWAYS safer and best to limit the interactions between strange males - and women and girls, and children. ALWAYS. Anything that does that, and in this case, making all men use the men's room does by the factors I previously outlined, is a good thing. And, if it prevents even one act of abuse, it was a monumental success.

viewed in the context at hand...why can't a man take his daughter into the ladies room?

;-)

 

[connieb]

viewed in the context at hand...why can't a man take his daughter into the ladies room?

;-)

Good point!

 

[Dawg]

I concede that there are a number of factors and scenarios, but you raise a different question than the one I asked.

It looks like no one can make the case that forcing a gay transvestite to use the mens room decreases the threat of child abuse in that restroom.

And I assure you that minors often use restrooms unaccompanied by adults. Not often very young boys, but minors? Quite frequently.

The Men in the restrooms will prevent the child abuse........

 

[Dawg]

Bugs, even Gump isn't confused as YOU:

 

[Dawg]

I know you can keep saying you oppose things, but my question is specific, and you can provide no sensible answer to it.

Majority of Americans not confused:


http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...transgender-bathrooms-twirls-down-the-drain/?