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“This is a setup by the US government”

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That’s a paraphrase of “Dad” Tsarnarev, from Russia. He believes his kids are 100% innocent, and were patsies, set up to take the fall for a US government operation. Just like “the plot to kill JFK”.

Well, you can’t COMPLETELY rule it out, I suppose. But it strikes me as highly unlikely that the Obama administration has secretly been plotting – for years – to kill blue state civilians to drum up hatred for Islam. I suppose someone could make the case that this so-called plot would have been masterminded by “rogue elements” of the US government – perhaps the FBI. But what does the FBI have to gain by making itself look inept?

Behold the power of conspiracy theories. 50 years after the assassination of JFK, Oliver Stone’s amazingly demented movie based on an even more ludicrous book, still holds sway. Oswald was a Soviet (or Cuban) agent. No, wait - he was acting on orders of the FBI. Or the Mafia. Or LBJ, whose friends in the military wanted JFK out of the way because the prez wasn’t ramping up the war in Vietnam fast enough to boost the corporate bottom line. Personally, I don’t know how the US government can get away with “sequestering” the confidential reports on JFKs assassination for 50 years, but that’s a topic for another rant.

The fact that the FBI has previously infiltrated so called terrorist “sleeper cells”, and provided FAKE munitions prior to arresting the bumbling jihadists, certainly doesn’t help refute the case Tsarnarev’s daddy is making. Dad wants to come to American and “interrogate” our government, because he used to be an aspiring law student in Russia. Here’s a tip, dad: if you think your kids are innocent, you can start your interrogations right there in mother Russia. They evidently provided AT LEAST two tips to the FBI that your sons were up to no good. The fact that the FBI concluded otherwise is much more likely to be incompetence, rather than proof of a masterful plot on our governments part.

Speaking of government plots, the older (dead) brother, “Tamerlane”, was ABSOLUTELY CONVINCED that 9/11 was a US government operation, intended to drum up public hatred of Islam, steal the Middle East’s oil, and spread Christianity to the 4 corners of the globe. (Why else were no Jews killed at ground zero?) For real. This crops up over and over in reminiscences Tamerlane’s fellow students had of casual conversations they had with him that “went off the rails”.


Hmmm . . . wonder where an impressionable kid gets a crazy notion like THAT, eh? Disregard the fact that half of Europe at one point was fingering Bush for 9/11 – nearly ¼ of America was too – about half of those on the left half of the political dial. Wonder how these conspiroristas now explain the Obama troop surge in Afghanistan? Guess we’re at the point where its no longer enough to tsk-tsk at these sort of crazy conspiracy theories. Or relegate those bewitched by fantastic government rumors to the same loonie bin as people obsessed by Roswell/bigfoot/Nessie, and the secret pill that turns water into gasoline - which big oil won’t let us have.


I’m sure more fantastical revelations will come to light over the next several weeks. Tamerlane was evidently “a heavy drug user” before his momma advised him to stop all that nonsense and get in touch with Allah. There are reports that some Kazakh guys – associates of Tamerlane - residing in tcome back to Allah. And we have yet to see the upcoming CBS 60 Minutes exclusive interview with Mrs. Katie Russell-Tsarnarev, Tamerlane’s just discovered/estranged wife, and mother of his 3 year old daughter, who gave up college to convert to Islam and bear his child. She still wears a hajib, although she’s evidently been living back home with mom and dad (he's a doctor) since Tamerlane went back to Russia/Chechnya for 6 months, for reasons unknown.

And my personal favorite, among upcoming questions yet to be answered: how could Tsarnarev’s best friend “Azmat” (sounds like “haz-mat”, eh?) drive around Massachusetts with a vanity tag which reads “Terrorista #1”, and have bumper stickers proclaiming “[Unwelcome language removed] you” on the back, without getting arrested?

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Speaking of government plots, the older (dead) brother, “Tamerlane”, was ABSOLUTELY CONVINCED that 9/11 was a US government operation, intended to drum up public hatred of Islam, steal the Middle East’s oil, and spread Christianity to the 4 corners of the globe. (Why else were no Jews killed at ground zero?)[/QUOTE]


Well, duh... Of course there were no Jews killed on 9/11. That's because Israel did it. Hadn't you heard?
 
Disregard the fact that half of Europe at one point was fingering Bush for 9/11 – nearly ¼ of America was too – about half of those on the left half of the political dial.

I knew of noone who thought Bush was responsible for 911. What people did blame him for was ignoring the PDB and the warnings that Richard Clarke had been trying to get in front of him, but was blocked by Condi Rice. Remember that Bush demoted Clarke and Clarke was trying and failed to get a meeting of higher ups to talk about an impending attack....
 
But WAIT!!! Shouldn't I get TWO magnets for the price of one (just pay seperate shipping and handling)? After all, you can't say anything on the internet that isn't true.
 
It never ceases to amaze me what people are eager to believe.

Bush caused 9/11....Obama is a Muslim....Clinton offing Vince Foster.

Some people just can't be happy with the truth....until they make it up.
 
It never ceases to amaze me what people are eager to believe.

Bush caused 9/11....Obama is a Muslim....Clinton offing Vince Foster.

Some people just can't be happy with the truth....until they make it up.


buddha - personally, i have it on good authority that bush is a buddhist, and obama tried to kill hillary clinton's chances of becoming president in 2016 by making her secretary of state, then sending her on endless "missions" to every war-torn, impoverished 3rd world nation on the planet.

she's "the girl who lived" despite valdemort's evil plans
 
Really? You've never heard of Van Jones, who was a member of Obama's cabinet before he was disgraced for being a communist and a 9/11 Truther?

No. Van Jones was NEVER "a member of Obama's cabinet".

In March 2009 Jones was appointed by President Barack Obama to the newly created position of Special Advisor for Green Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation at the White House Council on Environmental Quality, where he worked with various "agencies and departments to advance the administration's climate and energy initiatives, with a special focus on improving vulnerable communities."

LeRoy: That you think being a "Special Advisor for Green Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation at the White House Council on Environmental Quality" landed him a position in the Cabinet is deeply hilarious, Marvin.

Makes people wonder just how ignorant you truly are.
 
No. Van Jones was NEVER "a member of Obama's cabinet".

In March 2009 Jones was appointed by President Barack Obama to the newly created position of Special Advisor for Green Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation at the White House Council on Environmental Quality, where he worked with various "agencies and departments to advance the administration's climate and energy initiatives, with a special focus on improving vulnerable communities."

LeRoy: That you think being a "Special Advisor for Green Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation at the White House Council on Environmental Quality" landed him a position in the Cabinet is deeply hilarious, Marvin.

Makes people wonder just how ignorant you truly are.

marvin - technically, LeRoy is correct. Van Jones was never an actual cabinet member. he was appointed "green jobs czar" by Obama in an attempt to circumvent the constitional process for approval of cabinet appointees. The theory is that Obama already knew about Van Jone's controversial statements in support of 9/11 "truthers", and obscene tirades against republicans who annoyed him, and knew his background would not withstand any sort of vetting - hence the closet appointment.

By the way - what are Van Jones' actual qualifications to be "green jobs czar"?

you've got me. he did some turns as a local reporter at several newspapers before getting a Yale Univesity Law degree, and joining a socialist collective. He had no formal training or credentials in energy - alternative or othersies, or job creation/economics, either.

This would be akin to Dubya trying to name Mitt Romney "czar of fixing welfare"
 
marvin - technically, LeRoy is correct. Van Jones was never an actual cabinet member. he was appointed "green jobs czar" by Obama in an attempt to circumvent the constitional process for approval of cabinet appointees. The theory is that Obama already knew about Van Jone's controversial statements in support of 9/11 "truthers", and obscene tirades against republicans who annoyed him, and knew his background would not withstand any sort of vetting - hence the closet appointment.

By the way - what are Van Jones' actual qualifications to be "green jobs czar"?

you've got me. he did some turns as a local reporter at several newspapers before getting a Yale Univesity Law degree, and joining a socialist collective. He had no formal training or credentials in energy - alternative or othersies, or job creation/economics, either.

This would be akin to Dubya trying to name Mitt Romney "czar of fixing welfare"

Again, no. The truth is that Van Jones was appointed to a very low-level position in the Obama administration, a position that would not require Congressional approval under ANY President. And that when some of his sordid connections were discovered, he very shortly resigned. He was probably asked to resign.

I have never seen a better example of making a mountain out of a molehill, than this tempest over Van Jones.
 
I have never seen a better example of making a mountain out of a molehill, than this tempest over Van Jones.

The day is young.
 
Pretty sure it was to help make her more qualified than anyone in our history for the Presidency in 2016.

Keep believing he's stupid. It helps.
 
As usual, you're full of FUX NOOSE bullcrap ASOTV. Post an original thought once in awhile, it would be a nice change of pace for you.
 
As to this one being a "set up" by the U.S. guvmint..it makes no godamned sense. It's not completely out of the question that it was a set up by the Russian guvmint, or even the Iranian guvmint..but the U.S.? Why?

Of course, we'll note that the terr'sts daddy doesn't have the nuggets to point the finger at the Russians. I guess he's not 100% stupid!
 
As to this one being a "set up" by the U.S. guvmint..it makes no godamned sense. It's not completely out of the question that it was a set up by the Russian guvmint, or even the Iranian guvmint..but the U.S.? Why?

Of course, we'll note that the terr'sts daddy doesn't have the nuggets to point the finger at the Russians. I guess he's not 100% stupid!

fair - great minds think alike. i pondered the "russian deception angle" myself over the weekend. my thought process . . .

- who has the biggest antipathy towards chechnya (Russia)

- if the US blames a chechen/muslim/al qaeda sypmathizer for an atrocity, what could happen (the US withholds support from the syrian opposition, parts of which are al qaeda affiliated)

that said, the moment I heard that russia had been frantically trying to get our attention on tamerlan tsarnaev, my theory deflated. if they were manipulating with false contacts in order to have him commit an atrocity in the US, they wouldn't want to draw attention to him.

despite my disregard of putin's suitability as a world leader, the US has established "professional working relations" with intelligence services across the globe, some of whom its a stretch to cal "american allies"

not only do we consult with Russia on terrorism, we maintain ties with Egypts military, Saudi intelligence, and even china regarding north korea.

at the time of the iraqi invasion i was suprised to learn that we (america) evidently had the personal cell phone numbers of quite a few of Saddam's miitary leaders, and reached out to them to negotiate their defection and/or surrender. too bad we didn't also anticipate that Saddam might have the capability to monitor such outreach and no Iraqi general would dare discuss treason "on the air".

you need a facebook page or twitter for that, I guess.
 
fair - great minds think alike. i pondered the "russian deception angle" myself over the weekend. my thought process . . .

- who has the biggest antipathy towards chechnya (Russia)

- if the US blames a chechen/muslim/al qaeda sypmathizer for an atrocity, what could happen (the US withholds support from the syrian opposition, parts of which are al qaeda affiliated)

that said, the moment I heard that russia had been frantically trying to get our attention on tamerlan tsarnaev, my theory deflated. if they were manipulating with false contacts in order to have him commit an atrocity in the US, they wouldn't want to draw attention to him.

despite my disregard of putin's suitability as a world leader, the US has established "professional working relations" with intelligence services across the globe, some of whom its a stretch to cal "american allies"

not only do we consult with Russia on terrorism, we maintain ties with Egypts military, Saudi intelligence, and even china regarding north korea.

at the time of the iraqi invasion i was suprised to learn that we (america) evidently had the personal cell phone numbers of quite a few of Saddam's miitary leaders, and reached out to them to negotiate their defection and/or surrender. too bad we didn't also anticipate that Saddam might have the capability to monitor such outreach and no Iraqi general would dare discuss treason "on the air".

you need a facebook page or twitter for that, I guess.

I imagine I'm rambling WAY over my head here...but, that shouldn't stop me, hunh?

I know that Russia has its "issues" with Chechnya, and vice versa. But, I don't know how much of that - at least from a Russian perspective, is more about their militant seperatism, and less about the fact of there being so many Chechen Muslims? So, maybe the Russians might've wanted to do something that would get the U.S. pissed at the Chechens, and on the Russian's side. If that was the case though, the Russians clearly overestimated the average American's ability to distinguish a Chechen from a chicken. The only thing WE Americans recognize, is the Muslim aspect.

Did the Russians intend to stir us up around Islam? I'm not seeing how that makes much sense. But..while I'm no this conspiracy theory roll, I DO believe that the Iranian Tinpots are desperate to provoke a war with the West, without their fingerprints being on the provocation.
 
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