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Trump vindicated

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Jen

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During the election cycle Trump made claims that he was being "wiretapped". The Media laughed because he used the word "wiretap". You laughed, Lefty. Everyone said that not only was Trump using an outdated word, but that he was stupid for thinking there was surveillance on him.

We know now that there WAS surveillance.
We know now that the FISA warrant that gave permission for surveillance was based on a Dossier paid for by the Clinton campaign..... was validated by a Yahoo News article.........none of it was true.

The Democrat Party = a POS
Democrats = not honest.

Trump = Vindicated
 
Jen said:
During the election cycle Trump made claims that he was being "wiretapped". The Media laughed because he used the word "wiretap". You laughed, Lefty. Everyone said that not only was Trump using an outdated word, but that he was stupid for thinking there was surveillance on him.

We know now that there WAS surveillance.
We know now that the FISA warrant that gave permission for surveillance was based on a Dossier paid for by the Clinton campaign..... was validated by a Yahoo News article.........none of it was true.

The Democrat Party = a POS
Democrats = not honest.

Trump = Vindicated
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There was not surveillance on Trump or on the campaign. There was surveillance on Russia and on a suspected Russian agent who was publicly indicated not to be part of the campaign. The dossier was not paid for by the Clinton campaign, key points in it have been confirmed, and nothing in it has been proved untrue. And it was one piece of evidence corroborating many others.
 
It seems the two of you are on complete opposite sides of every detail about this story.

The whole collusion and dossier's are complete nothingburgers. For people who are on one "side" the collusion which has not been proven at all is the "end of trump". For those on the other "side" the release of this memo is "the end of Clinton/Obama".

When in fact normal sane people see this as a nothingburger that won't get anyone fired or put in jail. At most they will revise how FISA issues warrants and possibly future administrations will continue to tap their opponents (which is a sad precedent to set by the outgoing administration). Also future presidential candidates will hire people from other countries to talk to Russia to get dirt on their opponents rather than talk to them directly.
 
Campaign/Russia collusion has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. Collusion has not been proven only in a sense that Trump's personal collusion with Russia has not been proven.
 
SW48 said:
It seems the two of you are on complete opposite sides of every detail about this story.

The whole collusion and dossier's are complete nothingburgers. For people who are on one "side" the collusion which has not been proven at all is the "end of trump". For those on the other "side" the release of this memo is "the end of Clinton/Obama".

When in fact normal sane people see this as a nothingburger that won't get anyone fired or put in jail. At most they will revise how FISA issues warrants and possibly future administrations will continue to tap their opponents (which is a sad precedent to set by the outgoing administration). Also future presidential candidates will hire people from other countries to talk to Russia to get dirt on their opponents rather than talk to them directly.
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Who tapped an opponent? Carter Page was not part of the campaign, if you believe Kelly Conway as of September 2016.
 
EatTheRich said:
Campaign/Russia collusion has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. Collusion has not been proven only in a sense that Trump's personal collusion with Russia has not been proven.
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You may be correct if its true that one campaign used a former MI6 agent to work with Russians to dig up dirt on their opponent.
 
Jen said:
During the election cycle Trump made claims that he was being "wiretapped". The Media laughed because he used the word "wiretap". You laughed, Lefty. Everyone said that not only was Trump using an outdated word, but that he was stupid for thinking there was surveillance on him.

We know now that there WAS surveillance.
We know now that the FISA warrant that gave permission for surveillance was based on a Dossier paid for by the Clinton campaign..... was validated by a Yahoo News article.........none of it was true.

The Democrat Party = a POS
Democrats = not honest.

Trump = Vindicated
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1. We know there was surveillance of Carter Page in October 2016.
2. We know that Kelly Conway said Page was not part of the campaign and not authorized to speak to Russia on behalf of the campaign in September 2016.
3. Trump said they tapped the phones at Trump towers. No they didn't.
4. There is nothing in Nunes memo about whether or not the contents of the memo from Steel was not true.

Nunes is looking pretty stupid today.
 
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SW48 said:
You may be correct if its true that one campaign used a former MI6 agent to work with Russians to dig up dirt on their opponent.
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Really? Gathering intelligence from Russian sources amounts to "collusion" in your mind?

Col lus sion:
secret or illegal cooperation or conspiracy, especially in order to cheat or deceive others:
 
SW48 said:
You may be correct if its true that one campaign used a former MI6 agent to work with Russians to dig up dirt on their opponent.
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He didn't work with the Russian government, he spied on them. Now it's true that the idea that working with Russian intelligence to get dirt is an attack on the U.S. while working with British intelligence to get dirt is not is based on an illegitimate outlawing of political differences ...
 
middleview said:
Really? Gathering intelligence from Russian sources amounts to "collusion" in your mind?

Col lus sion:
secret or illegal cooperation or conspiracy, especially in order to cheat or deceive others:
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I honestly don't know, I just see it on CNN 24/7. "BREAKING NEWS - Trump tweeted"!!! or "TRUMP COLLUDED".

Holy F*&^

Even today with the release of this nothingburger memo I flipped to the 3 cable news networks:
FOX: "Obama tapped Trump with info bought from Clinton"
MSNBC "Can you believe how bad Trump attacks the FBI!"
CNN "Trump collusion investigation heats up!"

Some crazy spin these days, very entertaining. Every day on these channels you would think the whole government was going to jail yet when you get down to facts, there are none...
 
middleview said:
Who tapped an opponent? Carter Page was not part of the campaign, if you believe Kelly Conway as of September 2016.
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So now you believe Kelly Conway? The flip flops of PJ posters and Republicans and Democrats is quite entertaining.

Conway gets hammered for months by the left about her "alternative facts" quote but now the left believes her. Whatever suits your narrative of the day.

Sort of like Comey. Comey reopens investigation of Clinton and Republicans love the guy. Comey opens Russian collusion investigation and all of a sudden he needs fired.

Very entertaining.
 
SW48 said:
I honestly don't know, I just see it on CNN 24/7. "BREAKING NEWS - Trump tweeted"!!! or "TRUMP COLLUDED".

Holy F*&^

Even today with the release of this nothingburger memo I flipped to the 3 cable news networks:
FOX: "Obama tapped Trump with info bought from Clinton"
MSNBC "Can you believe how bad Trump attacks the FBI!"
CNN "Trump collusion investigation heats up!"

Some crazy spin these days, very entertaining. Every day on these channels you would think the whole government was going to jail yet when you get down to facts, there are none...
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The Nunes memo admits that Carter Page was a former Trump campaign advisor. Doesn't that kill any motivation to wiretap him to have an impact on the election?

Anything else about Ohr, Ohr's wife or that Steele was paid by the DNC is pretty much irrelevant unless they expected Carter Page to run for office.
 
SW48 said:
So now you believe Kelly Conway? The flip flops of PJ posters and Republicans and Democrats is quite entertaining.

Conway gets hammered for months by the left about her "alternative facts" quote but now the left believes her. Whatever suits your narrative of the day.

Sort of like Comey. Comey reopens investigation of Clinton and Republicans love the guy. Comey opens Russian collusion investigation and all of a sudden he needs fired.

Very entertaining.
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Conway was the campaign manager for Trump. Are you saying she was lying about who worked on the campaign? Did anyone contradict her? There were certainly a number of times where she opened her mouth and what came out was indisputably false...but does that mean that even on matters where she should know what she was talking about..we should mistrust her?
 
middleview said:
The Nunes memo admits that Carter Page was a former Trump campaign advisor. Doesn't that kill any motivation to wiretap him to have an impact on the election?

Anything else about Ohr, Ohr's wife or that Steele was paid by the DNC is pretty much irrelevant unless they expected Carter Page to run for office.
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Yet they did surveillance on him anyways...that seems to say the surveillance was politically motivated which is a bad precedent to set.
 
middleview said:
1. We know there was surveillance of Carter Page in October 2016.
2. We know that Kelly Conway said Page was not part of the campaign and not authorized to speak to Russia on behalf of the campaign.
3. Trump said they tapped the phones at Trump towers. No they didn't.
4. There is nothing in Nunes memo about whether or not the contents of the memo from Steel was not true.

Nunes is looking pretty stupid today.
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Or maybe you are the one looking stupid.
 
middleview said:
Conway was the campaign manager for Trump. Are you saying she was lying about who worked on the campaign? Did anyone contradict her? There were certainly a number of times where she opened her mouth and what came out was indisputably false...but does that mean that even on matters where she should know what she was talking about..we should mistrust her?
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I have no idea what conway has to do with any of this. I just think the whole thing is silly.

Both sides wanted dirt on the other side and it looks like both did anything they could to get it. Who cares?
 
SW48 said:
I have no idea what conway has to do with any of this. I just think the whole thing is silly.

Both sides wanted dirt on the other side and it looks like both did anything they could to get it. Who cares?
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When it involves someone breaking the law? I do.
 
SW48 said:
Yet they did surveillance on him anyways...that seems to say the surveillance was politically motivated which is a bad precedent to set.
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Counterintelligence is by definition politically motivated. In this case the motivation was to fight a Russian influence campaign ... Republicans then made it a domestic political issue because Trump and other leading Republicans were conspirators in or dupes of this campaign.
 
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