Trump voters, how did he sucker you ? What was it about him that overcame your common sense ?

[Spamature]

I have never understood it.

I know some of you are still drinking the Koolaid, both openly and in secret.
So you might not be ready to answer the question.

But for those who are, why did you put on the blinders and ignore flaws, and put up with the daily insanity ?
Also why do you think so many are still willing to lie to themselves about who and what he is ?

 

[sensible don]

He is a super elite billionaire and they embrace him, SMFH

He throws people around him under the bus to save his own fatazz - loyalty?

He breaks all the fake evangelical rules

I guess it is the orange skin and swirlee hairdo that flips their trigger, besides being shaped like a pear

 

[Raoul_Luke]

“I want everybody to stop dying. They’re dying. Russians and Ukrainians. I want them to stop dying.” Trump added, “I don’t think in terms of winning and losing; I think in terms of getting it settled so we can stop killing all those people.”

That awful man - how can anyone support such sick views???

 

[middleview]

“I want everybody to stop dying. They’re dying. Russians and Ukrainians. I want them to stop dying.” Trump added, “I don’t think in terms of winning and losing; I think in terms of getting it settled so we can stop killing all those people.”

That awful man - how can anyone support such sick views???

Really? He doesn't think in terms of winning or losing?

Trump praises ‘genius’ Putin for moving troops to eastern Ukraine

The former US president said that the Russian president had made a “smart move” by sending “the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen” to the area.

Trump praises ‘genius’ Putin for moving troops to eastern Ukraine | Donald Trump | The Guardian

 

[Raoul_Luke]

Really? He doesn't think in terms of winning or losing?

Trump praises ‘genius’ Putin for moving troops to eastern Ukraine

The former US president said that the Russian president had made a “smart move” by sending “the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen” to the area.

Trump praises ‘genius’ Putin for moving troops to eastern Ukraine | Donald Trump | The Guardian

Because it gave him a stronger (diplomatic) bargaining position. Biden refused to negotiate a denial of Ukraine's NATO aspirations so he was forced to either back down or invade. Anyone who thought Putin was going to back down is a moron. So either Biden is a moron or wanted the war. Either way, he needs to go...

 

[Dawg]

He is a super elite billionaire and they embrace him, SMFH

He throws people around him under the bus to save his own fatazz - loyalty?

He breaks all the fake evangelical rules

I guess it is the orange skin and swirlee hairdo that flips their trigger, besides being shaped like a pear

He sure flipped your trigger and lives rent free in your mind 24/7/365
wasn't aware you paid so much attention to his body so much until now!

 

[Dawg]

Because it gave him a stronger (diplomatic) bargaining position. Biden refused to negotiate a denial of Ukraine's NATO aspirations so he was forced to either back down or invade. Anyone who thought Putin was going to back down is a moron. So either Biden is a moron or wanted the war. Either way, he needs to go...

Only a moron would forget to sign his EO after a speech...........as Joey did.
It's why Putin waited to invade after Joey became President, Joey's a Moron

 

[bdtex]

“I don’t think in terms of winning and losing;..."

That's a lie.

 

[bdtex]

"Trump voters, how did he sucker you ?"

He didn't sucker them. They are just like him all the way to the rotten core. We see that demonstrated every day at sites just like this one.

 

[Raoul_Luke]

That's a lie.

How do you know? He was referring to war - no one "wins" in a war, except the MIC. One side loses worse than the other is ALWAYS the outcome. Nice to know the old lefties I marched with against the Vietnam War have all become gung ho kill them all and let God sort them out geezers. I've always been anti-war and always will. I don't suddenly think war is great because my "party" (which is why I am a registered independent) is waging it.

 

[middleview]

Because it gave him a stronger (diplomatic) bargaining position. Biden refused to negotiate a denial of Ukraine's NATO aspirations so he was forced to either back down or invade. Anyone who thought Putin was going to back down is a moron. So either Biden is a moron or wanted the war. Either way, he needs to go...

His comment destroyed any chance that Ukraine would accept him as an impartial diplomat. I already quoted Putin's own words....Ukraine had no right to be a sovereign nation. What was to negotiate? How much of Ukraine Putin would get to keep?

When did Biden refuse to discuss Ukraine and NATO with Putin? Did you think it was up to Biden alone to decide the Ukrainian position? In fact, NATO's rules on membership would have stopped their application, if there had been one. Ukraine and Russia were already involved in conflict over Donbas. If they had become a member then all of NATO would have immediately been at war with Russia.

 

[bdtex]

How do you know?

Where have you been? He sees everything that way.

 

[middleview]

How do you know? He was referring to war - no one "wins" in a war, except the MIC. One side loses worse than the other is ALWAYS the outcome. Nice to know the old lefties I marched with against the Vietnam War have all become gung ho kill them all and let God sort them out geezers. I've always been anti-war and always will. I don't suddenly think war is great because my "party" (which is why I am a registered independent) is waging it.

So if invaded, you'd choose surrender over defense? When Japan bombed Pearl Harbor would you have then sent negotiators to Tokyo to work out a surrender and apology for having parked our ships in the way of their bombing practice?

 

[Raoul_Luke]

So if invaded, you'd choose surrender over defense? When Japan bombed Pearl Harbor would you have then sent negotiators to Tokyo to work out a surrender and apology for having parked our ships in the way of their bombing practice?

Nobody just gets attacked for no reason. As you well know, FDR engineered the Pearl Harbor attacks (or at the very least allowed it to happen) so Americans would get behind the war and bail him out of his disastrous economic policies.

 

[middleview]

Nobody just gets attacked for no reason. As you well know, FDR engineered the Pearl Harbor attacks (or at the very least allowed it to happen) so Americans would get behind the war and bail him out of his disastrous economic policies.

So slave owners were mostly good people, but FDR was willing to get over 500,000 Americans killed just to distract from economic policies you don't like....got it.

Look. FDR refused to sell oil and steel to Japan to force them to end the war in China. If you actually were a pacifist you'd have approved. Japan attacked because they wanted a free hand to invade and occupy all of southeast asia and the pacific. It was all about their empire....The Far East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere, they called it.

Once again, you defend the aggressor as you have defended Putin. Hitler, Mussolini and Tojo were using force to create empire. Neville Chamberlain tried to negotiate with Hitler and failed. He didn't prevent war...he made Hitler stronger and merely bought a little time.

 

[Raoul_Luke]

His comment destroyed any chance that Ukraine would accept him as an impartial diplomat. I already quoted Putin's own words....Ukraine had no right to be a sovereign nation. What was to negotiate? How much of Ukraine Putin would get to keep?

When did Biden refuse to discuss Ukraine and NATO with Putin? Did you think it was up to Biden alone to decide the Ukrainian position? In fact, NATO's rules on membership would have stopped their application, if there had been one. Ukraine and Russia were already involved in conflict over Donbas. If they had become a member then all of NATO would have immediately been at war with Russia.

Yet you discount Putin's "own words" that Ukraine as a prospective NATO member was unacceptable. If NATO didn't exist, there would be no war in Ukraine...period!

NATO is a force for war, and not for peace (obviously). If Trump had won, there would be no war in Ukraine as well - he was a NATO skeptic who would never have advanced Ukraine's inclusion the way Biden did (for decades).

As chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in March 2008, for example, Biden expressed pride "that, here in the Senate, I helped lead the effort to enlarge NATO," adding that it remained his "conviction that we should extend an offer of NATO membership to any country that applies and meets the criteria."

At the time, Biden was expressing support for expanding NATO's presence in the Balkans by adding Albania, Croatia, and Macedonia as members. He also championed setting Ukraine and Georgia on a path toward NATO membership. Russian troops, under Putin's orders, would go on to invade Georgia just months later in August 2008.

As vice president in 2009, Biden said that the US supported Ukraine's move to join NATO — regardless of objections from Russia.

Biden Helped NATO Expand in the 90s, Which Putin Now Threatening War Over (businessinsider.com)

Not. Rocket. Science.

 

[Raoul_Luke]

So slave owners were mostly good people, but FDR was willing to get over 500,000 Americans killed just to distract from economic policies you don't like....got it.

Look. FDR refused to sell oil and steel to Japan to force them to end the war in China. If you actually were a pacifist you'd have approved. Japan attacked because they wanted a free hand to invade and occupy all of southeast asia and the pacific. It was all about their empire....The Far East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere, they called it.

Once again, you defend the aggressor as you have defended Putin. Hitler, Mussolini and Tojo were using force to create empire. Neville Chamberlain tried to negotiate with Hitler and failed. He didn't prevent war...he made Hitler stronger and merely bought a little time.

I'm sure he convinced himself it was the right thing to do (as would, say, someone like you). But as I always say, war is the last refuge of failed Keynesians, so no doubt the sound of billions of $ worth of "broken windows" sounded pretty good to him right about then.

Why would we choose to not sell Japan oil and steel in the middle of the Great Depression? Was he the godfather of the America Last movement that gave us President Joe effing Brandon? MMMmmmm, could be...

 

[Jack4freedom]

Yet you discount Putin's "own words" that Ukraine as a prospective NATO member was unacceptable. If NATO didn't exist, there would be no war in Ukraine...period!

NATO is a force for war, and not for peace (obviously). If Trump had won, there would be no war in Ukraine as well - he was a NATO skeptic who would never have advanced Ukraine's inclusion the way Biden did (for decades).

As chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in March 2008, for example, Biden expressed pride "that, here in the Senate, I helped lead the effort to enlarge NATO," adding that it remained his "conviction that we should extend an offer of NATO membership to any country that applies and meets the criteria."

At the time, Biden was expressing support for expanding NATO's presence in the Balkans by adding Albania, Croatia, and Macedonia as members. He also championed setting Ukraine and Georgia on a path toward NATO membership. Russian troops, under Putin's orders, would go on to invade Georgia just months later in August 2008.

As vice president in 2009, Biden said that the US supported Ukraine's move to join NATO — regardless of objections from Russia.

Biden Helped NATO Expand in the 90s, Which Putin Now Threatening War Over (businessinsider.com)

Not. Rocket. Science.

NATO was not an alliance for war Raoul. Look at the facts. No European wars since end of WW II and break up of USSR freeing all of Eastern Europe including Ukraine who all gained independence without a shot being fired. If Russia was wise, they would have joined NATO too.

For a guy who claims to be anti war you sure seem to support Putins Stalinlike actions in trying to reverse peace and cooperation and return to USSR domination policies. The best thing for the Russian people and the whole region would be to get rid of Putin, join the EU and NATO and rather than invading and killing their neighbors, start trading and cooperating under international rules like most civilized nations.

Under Putin Russia has become a criminal nation whose stock in trade is sending military forces around the world, setting up puppet regimes and stealing from the people who live there at the point of a gun. Trump was obviously a fan of Putin’s kleptocracy and as always he was looking for a piece of the action.

Trump had been financing many of his shady real estate deals like Trump Soho with money from Russian Oligarchs who in concert with Putin were stealing with both hands from Ukraine and African Nations. When Trump took office, US official policy was to support Ukrainian independence and get rid of the corrupt Putin puppets that were using UkraInes wealth as their own personal unlimited ATMs.

Trump immediately sent Rudy Guiliani and some Russian mobsters into Ukraine for the express purpose of undermining our long time position and our Ambassador on PUTINS BEHALF. Suggesting that Trump is some kind of magnamous diplomat trying to stop war and suffering is laughable Raoul. He was obviously working to get his mitts on a bunch of Putin’s stolen cash and didn’t give a fvck what he had to do to get it.

 

[RickWA]

I have never understood it.

I know some of you are still drinking the Koolaid, both openly and in secret.
So you might not be ready to answer the question.

But for those who are, why did you put on the blinders and ignore flaws, and put up with the daily insanity ?
Also why do you think so many are still willing to lie to themselves about who and what he is ?

The obvious answer, is that the inarguably horrific Hillary Clinton was the “big party” alternative. Some of us voted 3rd Party…being unable to pinch our nose tightly enough to prevent the stench…while others OBEYED their hardwired loyalties.

I wonder why some can so readily observe the awful qualities in only the OTHER party.

Nahh…I don’t really wonder. Puny, self-unaware children can never be reciprocal and evenhanded.

 

[RepubBub]

They thought he was this amazing honest businessman from watching the apprentice.