Two things to consider

[resident_evil]

1) Trump was told by the experts that the U.S. was the number 1 ranked nation able to deal with an epidemic.

2) Dealing with epidemics is supposed to be a core competency of the State and their governors.

 

[PNWest]

Trump and his low IQ supporters are 100% repsonsible for this mess. When he should have been acting to prevent the TrumpVirus from spreading he was calling it ahoax. Here are his own words:

 

[Spamature]

1) Trump was told by the experts that the U.S. was the number 1 ranked nation able to deal with an epidemic.

2) Dealing with epidemics is supposed to be a core competency of the State and their governors.

Was he told that by experts ? Because the opposite was true. Are you saying he was lied to ?

Many governors (Democratic Governor's overwhelmingly ) unlike Trump actually stepped up and showed competency. They, and not Trump kept US numbers down, SO FAR...

 

[resident_evil]

@PNWest @Spamature

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2019/10/24/none-these-countries-us-included-is-fully-prepared-pandemic-report-says/

The Countries Best And Worst Prepared For An Epidemic [Infographic]

As the coronavirus spreads beyond China's borders, which countries have the tools in place to effectively deal with and contain major outbreaks of disease?

www.forbes.com

 

[PNWest]

@PNWest @Spamature

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2019/10/24/none-these-countries-us-included-is-fully-prepared-pandemic-report-says/

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The Countries Best And Worst Prepared For An Epidemic [Infographic]

As the coronavirus spreads beyond China's borders, which countries have the tools in place to effectively deal with and contain major outbreaks of disease?

www.forbes.com

Damn right the country was prepared on it just like a car has a set of brakes that will stop it. In this case instead of hitting the brakes Trump floored the accelerator.

 

[resident_evil]

Damn right the country was prepared on it just like a car has a set of brakes that will stop it. In this case instead of hitting the brakes Trump floored the acceleratorView attachment 50700.

Just read your post. And you call Trump supporters stupid. ha ha

 

[Spamature]

@PNWest @Spamature

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2019/10/24/none-these-countries-us-included-is-fully-prepared-pandemic-report-says/

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The Countries Best And Worst Prepared For An Epidemic [Infographic]

As the coronavirus spreads beyond China's borders, which countries have the tools in place to effectively deal with and contain major outbreaks of disease?

www.forbes.com

The 2021 Global Health Security Index

The 2021 GHS Index measures the capacities of 195 countries to prepare for epidemics and pandemics.

www.ghsindex.org

The real page and one of the main stumbling blocks in the US was Trump himself. His big claim is category 3.7 travel restrictions, but in that category all countries but one or two are cited as most prepared. While communication of the threat category 3.5 is where Trump did horrible because he kept telling people it would go away and the 15 cases would soon be 0 cases.

 

[Spamature]

Damn right the country was prepared on it just like a car has a set of brakes that will stop it. In this case instead of hitting the brakes Trump floored the acceleratorView attachment 50700.

That's a good one !

 

[ObamacareForever]

@PNWest @Spamature

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2019/10/24/none-these-countries-us-included-is-fully-prepared-pandemic-report-says/

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The Countries Best And Worst Prepared For An Epidemic [Infographic]

As the coronavirus spreads beyond China's borders, which countries have the tools in place to effectively deal with and contain major outbreaks of disease?

www.forbes.com

Pandemic-preparedness is not graded on curve. Being the least unprepared still means you are unprepared.

 

[resident_evil]

Yeah, tell me @PhilFish how a business guy (i.e. Trump) being told America was the number 1 prepared country for a epidemic couldn't count on that? Tell me how Trump couldn't count on Fauci and his expert team to get this one right?

Also, tell me how states whose one of a dozen core competencies is supposed to be PUBLIC HEALTH weren't ready for something that was "predictable?" We have on record Gov. Cuomo in 2015 being told he was short on ventilators. How does that even come up in conversation with a governor if that isn't one of his core job functions to be prepared for?

Did anyone who need a ventilator not get a ventilator because of Trump?

I too am tired of Trump's used car salesman schtick but look at the alternative and look at the results some schmuck real estate contractor has been able to achieve despite head winds from ALL sides.

 

[PNWest]

Yeah, tell me @PhilFish how a business guy (i.e. Trump) being told America was the number 1 prepared country for a epidemic couldn't count on that? Tell me how Trump couldn't count on Fauci and his expert team to get this one right?

Also, tell me how states whose one of a dozen core competencies is supposed to be PUBLIC HEALTH weren't ready for something that was "predictable?" We have on record Gov. Cuomo in 2015 being told he was short on ventilators. How does that even come up in conversation with a governor if that isn't one of his core job functions to be prepared for?

Did anyone who need a ventilator not get a ventilator because of Trump?

I too am tired of Trump's used car salesman schtick but look at the alternative and look at the results some schmuck real estate contractor has been able to achieve despite head winds from ALL sides.

I'd say Trump actually put this best back in 2009:

 

[middleview]

1) Trump was told by the experts that the U.S. was the number 1 ranked nation able to deal with an epidemic.

2) Dealing with epidemics is supposed to be a core competency of the State and their governors.

so your #2 depends on epidemics that don't cross state lines.

 

[PNWest]

so your #2 depends on epidemics that don't cross stae lines.

He's just squirming like a little worm. Of course a pandemic is the responsibility of the Federal government. Even Lord Weemittens knew that back in 2009:

 

[resident_evil]

I'd say Trump actually put this best back in 2009:

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Feel free to answer the questions in post 10 rather than just trying to derail somebody else's conversation.

 

[resident_evil]

so your #2 depends on epidemics that don't cross stae lines.

Is public health of a state primarily the responsibility of governors or isn't it? Clearly governors plan for such an eventuality. Why did Cuomo get caught with his pants down despite reports advising him he was short on ventilators?

 

[BobbyT]

1) Trump was told by the experts that the U.S. was the number 1 ranked nation able to deal with an epidemic.

2) Dealing with epidemics is supposed to be a core competency of the State and their governors.

If Donald was told by the experts that the US was the number 1 ranked nation able to deal with an epidemic, why did Donald expect that the nation's response would be up to 50 individual governors? The nation, to Donald's undying regret, is Donald's responsibility. And the nation's status as "the number 1 ranked nation able to deal with an epidemic" is likewise his responsibility, even though he's claimed "I have no responsibility at all." How we do as a nation in response will be 100% due to the governors response, not Donald's, and those governors who fail will be 100% due to Donald's lack of Federal response during this crises, especially those governors who chose suck Donald's [Unwelcome language removed] and believe Donald's underplaying the seriousness of the epidemic, causing untold unnecessary death to their citizens. I understand your desire to protect the President of the United States from responsibility over the United States and the unnecessary deaths he's caused, but it's your pipe dream, not reality. Like it or not, the nation is Donald's responsibility and there is no excuse for the utter failure of his leadership.

 

[PNWest]

@middleview @PNWest

Answer these questions or you got nothing.

"https://www.politicaljack.com/threads/two-things-to-consider.131732/post-2705183"

The responsibility to handle a pandemic rests at the Federal level. This pandemic has shut down th ecountry , crippled the econonomy and killed more people than Pearl Harbor, 9/11 and the Iraq War combined. The fact that it got out of hand is 100% the responsibility of Donald Trump and his enablers. The question about ventilators is irrelevant. If we had a real President you wouldn't even need to ask it. Did anyone lack for a ventilator under Obama? No? So what?

 

[BobbyT]

Is public health of a state primarily the responsibility of governors or isn't it? Clearly governors plan for such an eventuality. Why did Cuomo get caught with his pants down despite reports advising him he was short on ventilators?

Public health? Sure. A global pandemic? Nope. That requires a coordinated federal response that has the latest intel from around the world and coordinates with global health advisors. States can't do that. No matter how you (and Donald) twist to and fro, this is Donald's to handle, and he's not doing it (as you know, or you wouldn't be desperately trying to shift the blame elsewhere).

Donald has had a few true tests of his presidency, and he's failed them all. He was miserable with Hurricane Maria, as Puerto Rico is still suffering unnecessarily; and he is horrific in his handling of the corona virus. Face it, he's been a failure at business, with multiple bankruptcies including casinos and steaks and water(?); a cheat and conman with his 'university'; and is currently assisting in murdering thousands of Americans with his haphazard, changing his message every day, blaming the governors then taking the credit then grabbing power then throwing it back on the governors, approach. And you know, you just know that if we have fewer deaths than expected he will grasp all the credit but if we have more than expected he will blame everyone in sight but himself.

Face it. He's the worst leader anyone could have wanted or expected in any situation, and definitely the absolute worst in this situation. But for you all suckers of Donald's [Unwelcome language removed], he will 1) come out smelling like a rose because there were fewer deaths than expected, or 2) come out smelling like a rose because there were more deaths than expected but it wasn't his fault.

 

[middleview]

Is public health of a state primarily the responsibility of governors or isn't it? Clearly governors plan for such an eventuality. Why did Cuomo get caught with his pants down despite reports advising him he was short on ventilators?

So a governor can order a halt to international travel?

 

[resident_evil]

so your #2 depends on epidemics that don't cross state lines.

Did you tell it to Rhode Island when they put State police to pull over NY'ers?