Wait, what?

[Raoul_Luke]

Samuel Tunick, an Atlanta resident and US citizen, was charged under 18 U.S.C. § 2232(a), which makes it a crime to destroy or damage property to prevent the government from seizing it. The offense carries up to five years. He has pleaded not guilty and is seeking to suppress the government's evidence, arguing the search and seizure that produced it were unlawful. A ruling is not expected before the end of October.

Tunick was returning from vacation on January 24, 2025, when Customs and Border Protection pulled him into secondary inspection at Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport. According to his motion to suppress, agents demanded access to his phone on the stated suspicion that it contained child exploitation imagery, without offering evidence to support that suspicion. They told him they did not need a warrant because he had not yet crossed into the country - the government's long-standing position that arriving travelers are not on US soil until admitted.

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So an American citizen is not "inside" the country until "admitted" but an illegal migrant who manages to get his pinky toe on US soil is? How the f*ck does that work? What would stop us from applying that standard to illegals - you aren't inside the USA until admitted? No "asylum hearing" unless "admitted." Problem solved - you aren't admitted so get the f*ck out!

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

Samuel Tunick, an Atlanta resident and US citizen, was charged under 18 U.S.C. § 2232(a), which makes it a crime to destroy or damage property to prevent the government from seizing it. The offense carries up to five years. He has pleaded not guilty and is seeking to suppress the government's evidence, arguing the search and seizure that produced it were unlawful. A ruling is not expected before the end of October.

Tunick was returning from vacation on January 24, 2025, when Customs and Border Protection pulled him into secondary inspection at Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport. According to his motion to suppress, agents demanded access to his phone on the stated suspicion that it contained child exploitation imagery, without offering evidence to support that suspicion. They told him they did not need a warrant because he had not yet crossed into the country - the government's long-standing position that arriving travelers are not on US soil until admitted.

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So an American citizen is not "inside" the country until "admitted" but an illegal migrant who manages to get his pinky toe on US soil is? How the f*ck does that work? What would stop us from applying that standard to illegals - you aren't inside the USA until admitted? No "asylum hearing" unless "admitted." Problem solved - you aren't admitted so get the f*ck out!

The lawless Trump stooges have been applying that “rule” to avoid asylum petitions for years.

 

[Raoul_Luke]

The lawless Trump stooges have been applying that “rule” to avoid asylum petitions for years.

Well that's great if true but I believe they have really just closed the border so the migrants can't set foot on US soil. In this interpretation, you can be in Atlanta GA and not be "admitted" to the USA until the federal authorities "admit" you. So, is it okay if we apply that same standard to illegals who make it across the border in the back of a truck and encounter ICE in San Antonio 2 months later? Sorry dude, you haven't been "admitted" so no federal laws apply to you - we'll be giving you a lift back to the border and sending you back to Mexico.

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

Well that's great if true but I believe they have really just closed the border so the migrants can't set foot on US soil. In this interpretation, you can be in Atlanta GA and not be "admitted" to the USA until the federal authorities "admit" you. So, is it okay if we apply that same standard to illegals who make it across the border in the back of a truck and encounter ICE in San Antonio 2 months later? Sorry dude, you haven't been "admitted" so no federal laws apply to you - we'll be giving you a lift back to the border and sending you back to Mexico.

Again, it depends on whether you want our laws followed by our government. The Trump approach has been to ignore the laws, especially the asylum laws. The laws could be changed but Trump prevented that too.

 

[Raoul_Luke]

Again, it depends on whether you want our laws followed by our government. The Trump approach has been to ignore the laws, especially the asylum laws. The laws could be changed but Trump prevented that too.

This one is a "long standing" interpretation of the law. I'm sure it also applies to foreigners with visas who fly into America or arrive on a ship the same as it does Americans. I'm simply asking why we don't apply the same rules to illegals - I believe we could.

 

[EatTheRich]

Well that's great if true but I believe they have really just closed the border so the migrants can't set foot on US soil. In this interpretation, you can be in Atlanta GA and not be "admitted" to the USA until the federal authorities "admit" you. So, is it okay if we apply that same standard to illegals who make it across the border in the back of a truck and encounter ICE in San Antonio 2 months later? Sorry dude, you haven't been "admitted" so no federal laws apply to you - we'll be giving you a lift back to the border and sending you back to Mexico.

In this interpretation, you can be born in Atlanta, GA, never leave the country, and forfeit your claim to Bill of Rights protection because the government says the magic words, “You aren’t admitted.”

 

[Raoul_Luke]

In this interpretation, you can be born in Atlanta, GA, never leave the country, and forfeit your claim to Bill of Rights protection because the government says the magic words, “You aren’t admitted.”

No, I believe the guy was returning from overseas, if I'm not mistaken.

 

[Raoul_Luke]

Looks like maybe someone in the Trump administration is thinking like I am on this:

The Trump administration launched a plan Tuesday to channel hundreds of thousands of asylum seekers directly into deportation proceedings, a change that some attorneys said could lead to people being removed from the United States without a hearing.

MSN

 

[middleview]

Well that's great if true but I believe they have really just closed the border so the migrants can't set foot on US soil. In this interpretation, you can be in Atlanta GA and not be "admitted" to the USA until the federal authorities "admit" you. So, is it okay if we apply that same standard to illegals who make it across the border in the back of a truck and encounter ICE in San Antonio 2 months later? Sorry dude, you haven't been "admitted" so no federal laws apply to you - we'll be giving you a lift back to the border and sending you back to Mexico.

Then change the asylum law.
Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespective of such alien’s status, may apply for asylum in accordance with this section

8 U.S. Code § 1158 - Asylum

www.law.cornell.edu

 

[EatTheRich]

No, I believe the guy was returning from overseas, if I'm not mistaken.

This particular guy was. But once you establish the principle that there is no hearing to adjudicate a question like that, you have taken due process away from everyone.

 

[EatTheRich]

Looks like maybe someone in the Trump administration is thinking like I am on this:

The Trump administration launched a plan Tuesday to channel hundreds of thousands of asylum seekers directly into deportation proceedings, a change that some attorneys said could lead to people being removed from the United States without a hearing.

MSN

No doubt you are thinking of it because their propagandists fed you the bait in preparation for another wave of illegal ethnic cleansing (war crimes).

 

[Raoul_Luke]

Then change the asylum law.
Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespective of such alien’s status, may apply for asylum in accordance with this section

8 U.S. Code § 1158 - Asylum

www.law.cornell.edu

So Samuel Tunick, an Atlanta resident and US citizen was not "physically present in the United States?"

Any normal person would agree that you have to be allowed to be here in order to ask for asylum, and that is almost certainly implied in the law you posted. Anyone who thinks an invading army of chinese commandos or muslim jihadis would be able to request asylum has sh*t for brains.