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War on Terror

Minotaur

Minotaur

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The only difference in an American Terrorist and a Middle East Terrorist is we are unable to recognize the same thing when it happens here. Middle East Terrorists are different because we recognize them by the carnage in their wake and vow to end it even as they kill masses of children in schools, kill shoppers in the marketplace and blow up or shoot crowds of people attending sporting events in the public square.

Our solution to resolve American Terrorism according to some Americans is demand more guns, more weaponry, less registration, fewer controls. It is much easier to resolve the same thing currently if we are able to keep the focus on mental illness here and confront the brutality of Terrorism abroad.

These so called "insane" people thank you for that fine thought process of more sophisticated weaponry and less regulations as they lead perfectly sane and law abiding lives until they come out of the woodwork to kill you.

I would venture to say they fight side by side with you in this lofty goal - What? You thought they were merely crazy?
 
The mental illness angle unfortunately takes the "reasonableness" the Gun Right claim to support....and puts it in opposition to the Paranoid Right's fears.

Anybody reasonable would say "Don't let a psychotic have a gun"....but the fearful on the Gun Right think that they'll be targetted as "mentally ill" and have their right taken away.

So the NRA is left in another paradox of its public relations....and still trying to defend its supporters.
 
Minotaur said:
The only difference in an American Terrorist and a Middle East Terrorist is we are unable to recognize the same thing when it happens here. Middle East Terrorists are different because we recognize them by the carnage in their wake and vow to end it even as they kill masses of children in schools, kill shoppers in the marketplace and blow up or shoot crowds of people attending sporting events in the public square.

Our solution to resolve American Terrorism according to some Americans is demand more guns, more weaponry, less registration, fewer controls. It is much easier to resolve the same thing currently if we are able to keep the focus on mental illness here and confront the brutality of Terrorism abroad.

These so called "insane" people thank you for that fine thought process of more sophisticated weaponry and less regulations as they lead perfectly sane and law abiding lives until they come out of the woodwork to kill you.

I would venture to say they fight side by side with you in this lofty goal - What? You thought they were merely crazy?
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About a week ago, I pointed out that right-wing conservatives and Al Qaeda were in complete agreement on the 'evils' of gun control, and boy, did I stir up a hornet's nest. Our local conservatives went ballistic.
 
The NRA is trapped in its own web on this. Oddly the subjects of crime and punishment are two different issues and they have helped set the confusion. Where mass murder across this nation are concerned we are charged with finding solutions. Where murder is concerned we are charged with seeking the humanities of it ie were they insane, or what degree exists if they are sane.

On the subject of the crimes, obviously crime is impacted by regulations in all areas of crime, guns are no exception and necessary regulations are not without precedence. The NRA and their fanatic followers have turned guns into a religion that they pretend is untouchable. They are not just wrong but they are the carnage they fight for and the victims as well.

Mental illness is a serious subject and deserves serious attention. Murder and terrorism deserves the same attention. If the two meet somewhere in the middle of gun resolutions it is predictable but in reality we do not call anti-government and KKK types crazy, we call them neighbors. Any sociology study recognizes the makeup and ingredients of cruelty in the study of the humanities.
 
There is no difference. Those who think the same are one and the same. I know right wing folks who do want controls and solutions so all is not lost but it is the loudest who certainly take on the protective thoughts and identity of an al Queda terrorist.
 


Anybody reasonable would say "Don't let a psychotic have a gun"....but the fearful on the Gun Right think that they'll be targetted as "mentally ill" and have their right taken away.

Perhaps this hangup on the right's side to own an arsenal of their own is a "mental" problem. Just a thought and not intended to be nasty. Mental illnesses come in many guises.

Gramps
 
passion is the driver whether the person is sane or insane.

McVeigh wasn't insane, but he was passionate in his anti-govt beliefs. same with abortion doc killers and clinic bombers or radical Muslims defending their "faith" or estranged spouses in the heat of passion shooting the wife.
 
Gramps there is a difference in clinical mental illness and egocentricity or cruelty. The humanities finds all levels of these traits in so-called sane humans. That makes pretending all carnage is from clinically insane people void. I think that is what makes this subject so jumbled and the flawed argument is what is keeping the NRA in business until we do recognize that just because someone blows up innocents in a public square because he is anti-government for instance, it does not necessarily make him insane if he is sane but egocentric enough to demand more Freedom by removing everyone else's Freedom by taking their lives. May be more related to the residue of the "Me" generation or simply the traits of human kind gone amok.
 
Amen. Makes the argument against gun control void for me as the excuse of mentally ill buoying the need for no regulations is just bogus. I won't pretend all terrorism is simply mental illness. Regulations are needed and they are running out of logical arguments.
 
we're conflataing "domestic terrorism" and "adam lanza" here.

lanza was insane, with no political motives that have come to light so far. this might be a failure of the mental health system to identify the severity of his dementia, and the risk it posed. it might also be a problem with his momma, who was giving him assault weapon training at the same time she was trying to get the courts to declare him incompetent.

most of the "domestic terrorism" cases - if you define that politically - don't involve mass shootings or huge gun arsenals. the olympics bomber, the oklahoma city bombers, the Unabomber - had political ends. their views might be dubbed "crazy" too, but they act with forethought, care, and sought to avoid detection.

deranged mass shooters typically don't have an escape plan, let alone a political motive.

kudos to everyone (in congress) who is claiming that boston proves we need stiffer gun controls. their remarks prove them to be absurd and fuzzy thinkers. the pressure cookers in boston prove no more about guns than they prove about immigration, tax rates, or unrestricted sales of nails and ball bearings.
 
You do know that your argument is that based on a pressure cooker freeing up all other forms of mass murder weaponry with a free pass.

Sorry but I do not buy the Bend-Over-And-Kiss-Your-Ass-Goodbye argument. It is just lacking critical thought.
 
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