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We DO have a Gun Violence Problem In The US

Zoar

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Denial cannot change this fact: WE DO have a GUN Violence problem in the US.

And no one is trying to take away our guns.

But we do have to take actions that help to end this tragic problem.

No can deny we have a Gun Violence problem.

Do any of you DENY we have a Gun Violence problem?

(The fact is: the Gun Violence Problem is the result of ALL OF IT: Anger issues, mental imbalance, easy access to assault weapon type of guns, a society that promotes guns, the NRA promoting the use of guns, especially assault weapons and semi autos for the purpose of shooting people. right wingers going crazy, crying fear and hatred toward the government, hoarding guns and ammo especially assault weapons and semi auto's and their high capacity magazines, violent video games promoting killing with guns, Hollywood movies promoting killing with guns....

IT IS ALL THE ABOVE!)
 
Denial cannot change this fact: WE DO have a GUN Violence problem in the US.

And no one is trying to take away our guns.

But we do have to take actions that help to end this tragic problem.

No can deny we have a Gun Violence problem.

Do any of you DENY we have a Gun Violence problem?

(The fact is: the Gun Violence Problem is the result of ALL OF IT: Anger issues, mental imbalance, easy access to assault weapon type of guns, a society that promotes guns, the NRA promoting the use of guns, especially assault weapons and semi autos for the purpose of shooting people. right wingers going crazy, crying fear and hatred toward the government, hoarding guns and ammo especially assault weapons and semi auto's and their high capacity magazines, violent video games promoting killing with guns, Hollywood movies promoting killing with guns....

IT IS ALL THE ABOVE!)
We have a problem with violence, period. If an alien species came to earth in search of the most peace-loving culture here, I doubt they'd end up in the US.
 
the NRA promoting the use of guns, especially assault weapons and semi autos for the purpose of shooting people.

Would you please direct me to the NRA material that promotes using "assault weapons" to shoot people? And also please link the official definition of assault weapon, since you use the term as if it describes something other than a semi-auto rifle and as if you know what it means. Thanks.
 
Would you please direct me to the NRA material that promotes using "assault weapons" to shoot people? And also please link the official definition of assault weapon, since you use the term as if it describes something other than a semi-auto rifle and as if you know what it means. Thanks.

Mrs H uses a rolling pin to assault me. Flying plates and lamps are a close second choice
 
Martian Man--- The NRA constantly and in virtually every communication promotes using guns to shoot people: they call it "defense", but it is still shooting people and yes they are ubiquitously promoting using guns to shoot people and also that everyone should own guns.... Everyone. Everyone!

And yes the NRA promotes using Assault weapons and semi auto weapons with HIGH capacity mags. Like we need MORE of these out there, increasing their availability to EVERYONE.

That is nuts. NRA has a lot of blood on their hands.

YOU can be in denial about this, but the NRA must share in the blame for the GUN VIOLENCE problem with the way they promote using GUNS to KILL. (call it defense but it is KILLING just the same and yes they also promote ANGER and HATING THE GOVERNMENT and INSURRECTION with GUNS, they sure as shitt do not promote using cricket bats for this insurrection or for killing people)
 
Martian Man--- The NRA constantly and in virtually every communication promotes using guns to shoot people: they call it "defense", but it is still shooting people and yes they are ubiquitously promoting using guns to shoot people and also that everyone should own guns.... Everyone. Everyone!

Fine, show me some!
 
i agree we have a gun problem, but "easy access to assault weapons" is NOT part of the equation.

there are 10,000 people annually killed with handguns, vs 300 with rifles of all types, including "assault rifles".

"right wingers going crazy" is probably not the largest problem behind the 10,000 handgun deaths, either. how about "drugs"; "50% inner city school dropout rate"; and "revolving door justice system"?
 
Martian Man--- The NRA constantly and in virtually every communication promotes using guns to shoot people: they call it "defense", but it is still shooting people and yes they are ubiquitously promoting using guns to shoot people and also that everyone should own guns.... Everyone. Everyone!

And that is a mischaracterization of the NRA. Are you actually trying to say people don't have a right to self defense?

And yes the NRA promotes using Assault weapons and semi auto weapons with HIGH capacity mags. Like we need MORE of these out there, increasing their availability to EVERYONE.

The NRA promotes several shooting sports in which semiautomatic rifles using "high" capacity magazines are used. That's a long way from encouraging someone like the Sandy Hook shooter. As for availability -- ownership of firearms is a civil right. Why should the exercise of a civil right be made more difficult for the millions of people who own firearms and harm no one?

That is nuts. NRA has a lot of blood on their hands.

Well, there's some nuttiness going around, but it comes from the sort of people who say the NRA has blood on their hands.

YOU can be in denial about this, but the NRA must share in the blame for the GUN VIOLENCE problem with the way they promote using GUNS to KILL. (call it defense but it is KILLING just the same and yes they also promote ANGER and HATING THE GOVERNMENT and INSURRECTION with GUNS, they sure as shitt do not promote using cricket bats for this insurrection or for killing people)

The NRA is no more to blame for gun violence than NASCAR is for drunk driving.
 
Denial cannot change this fact: WE DO have a GUN Violence problem in the US.

And no one is trying to take away our guns.

But we do have to take actions that help to end this tragic problem.

No can deny we have a Gun Violence problem.

Do any of you DENY we have a Gun Violence problem?

(The fact is: the Gun Violence Problem is the result of ALL OF IT: Anger issues, mental imbalance, easy access to assault weapon type of guns, a society that promotes guns, the NRA promoting the use of guns, especially assault weapons and semi autos for the purpose of shooting people. right wingers going crazy, crying fear and hatred toward the government, hoarding guns and ammo especially assault weapons and semi auto's and their high capacity magazines, violent video games promoting killing with guns, Hollywood movies promoting killing with guns....

IT IS ALL THE ABOVE!)

Although I agree we have a gun violence problem, I'm unwilling to just throw all offered explanations into a hopper and say "yeah, it's all of those things." As I've pointed out REPEATEDly, the violent video games explanation just doesn't fit with the known data.

Here's what the data tells us: violent video games, of the kind people worry about, first showed up in the early-to-mid 1990s. The first true "first person shooter" came out in 1992. Interestingly, in the year BEFORE that game came out, 1991, we had hit the all-time record for violent crime in this country. Since then, as violent video games became a multi-billion-dollar industries, with household-name shooters like "Call of Duty," and "Grand Theft Auto," outselling most Hollywood movies, do you know what happened to real-world violent crime rates? They fell by almost exactly half.

Let's restate that, since it just doesn't seem to be sinking in here. You were literally TWICE AS LIKELY to be a victim of violent crime in this country BEFORE the rise of violent video games as you are today.

I'm not saying that violent video games are responsible for the incredible improvement we've seen since 1991, or even some of it. I'm just saying that the data are consistent with that theory, and entirely inconsistent with the theory that violent video games were making things worse. And if you stop and think about it, maybe that makes sense. If you're an aggressive young man with some violent urges, revenge fantasies, etc., a video game gives you a place to work through those where nobody gets hurt. Would it really be that surprising to find that this "safe outlet" was acting as a release valve for urges that might otherwise build up until they exploded as real-world violence?

In the same sense, it seems quite likely that the rise of Internet porn (and the presumable increase in masturbatory release of sexual urges) has played a role in the dramatic drop of rape in recent years.

As for Hollywood movies promoting killing with guns, it's hard to draw any lines one way or the other on that one, since they've been doing so since the dawn of cinema. Check out 1915's "Birth of a Nation," for example. One way or the other, nearly every major nation watches the same movies as we do -- top-grossing American films, and particularly the violence-heavy action film, are typically among the biggest films in other wealthy nations, too. Usually at least half the annual top ten in places like Germany, the UK, etc., are films they share in common with the US top ten.

Check out the current Box Office champs around the globe:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/intl/

The latest gun-obsess Die Hard movie is dominating throughout Western Europe, and in Japan.

In Germany, so far in 2012 the top grosser is the violent Tarantino revenge fantasy Django Unchained. In 2012, the latest Bond flick was number two (beaten only by the Hobbit).

The point is that we're all watching more or less the same movies, including those Hollywood films that "promote killing with guns." Yet, the US is all alone, among major wealthy nations, with its extreme violence problem. There is a huge gulf between us and the rest of our peers, with our murder rate between four and sixteen times as high as Western European countries have. If we want to get serious in our search of things to blame that on, we need to identify things that are DIFFERENT between us and those other nations, not things that are the same. Hollywood movies and violent video games just don't fit the bill.
 
so is the right calling for more drugs to combat the drug problems we have. If everyone has all the drugs they need/want, there wouldn't be a need for drug dealers and drug cartells. It would cut down on crime if we just had more access to drugs.
 
so is the right calling for more drugs to combat the drug problems we have. If everyone has all the drugs they need/want, there wouldn't be a need for drug dealers and drug cartells. It would cut down on crime if we just had more access to drugs.
I agree; if some fool wants to fill his body with dope, it ought not to be Government business. Also, I live on the Tennessee/Kentucky state line and I have'nt seen any of these liquor salesmen settle any disputes with gunfire in quite some time, not since Prohibition ended, in fact. :)
 
We DO have a Gun Violence Problem In The US

but there's good news:

While the number of gun sales is steadily on the rise, according to several studies the amount of households with guns has actually been decreasing for several years - as are murders and crimes involving guns.

the same gun nuts are stockpiling, but they're not gaining recruits as the NRA/GOP would hope.
 
We DO have a Gun Violence Problem In The US

but there's good news:

While the number of gun sales is steadily on the rise, according to several studies the amount of households with guns has actually been decreasing for several years - as are murders and crimes involving guns.

the same gun nuts are stockpiling, but they're not gaining recruits as the NRA/GOP would hope.



So wait, "gun nuts" are stockpiling more and more guns, and the gun murder rate is decreasing? Wow, thanks for proving my point...
 
We DO have a Gun Violence Problem In The US

but there's good news:

While the number of gun sales is steadily on the rise, according to several studies the amount of households with guns has actually been decreasing for several years - as are murders and crimes involving guns.

the same gun nuts are stockpiling, but they're not gaining recruits as the NRA/GOP would hope.
I am surprised by that statistic, as I have been seeing a lot of new shooters at the ranges and gun stores. A lot of the guys are interested in military appearing weapons, as those are "tacticool", and a lot of women, whose chief concern is defense. The number of people who are getting into hunting does seem to be declining though.
 
I am surprised by that statistic, as I have been seeing a lot of new shooters at the ranges and gun stores. A lot of the guys are interested in military appearing weapons, as those are "tacticool", and a lot of women, whose chief concern is defense. The number of people who are getting into hunting does seem to be declining though.

hunting is a good example. the younger generation aren't interested in that old tradition.
heck, they're even less interested in cars and driving nowadays.

they're more open and tolerant......and maybe that explains their disinterest in guns. they don't believe the paranoia of their elders who stockpile guns in fear the govt.
 
hunting is a good example. the younger generation aren't interested in that old tradition.
heck, they're even less interested in cars and driving nowadays.

they're more open and tolerant......and maybe that explains their disinterest in guns. they don't believe the paranoia of their elders who stockpile guns in fear the govt.
I was saying that I am observing a serious upswing in the amount of people getting into gun ownership for the first time. A lot of young guys getting into shooting, military style carbines and pistols, for the "cool" factor, and the competition, (IDPA, 3-gun matches, etc.) and a lot of women who want to be able to defend themselves and find out how much fun shooting is in the process. I went to the concealed weapons course here recently, (I wasn't required to, my military qualifications would have sufficed but I wanted to thoroughly familiarize myself with all the local laws), and women outnumbered the men there.
 
you hang out where that's happening. I doubt your anecdotal information is moving the trend line that shows less gun owners overall for years now.
 
you hang out where that's happening. I doubt your anecdotal information is moving the trend line that shows less gun owners overall for years now.
I wasn't disputing your statement, I said it surprised me, because it didn't match my observations, thats all. I do know quite a few people, though, who if asked, (in a poll for instance), would deny they owned any firearms.
 
yeah, if they wouldn't even own up to owning guns in a g-d POLL......they're too paranoid to have a gun in their possession.
 
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