We need a pardon amendment...

[Halo]

... not to abolish pardons but to set up parameters of usage that are generous, the intent of the pardon power, but that cannot be abused in what we all see as egregious. We got to get after this before pardoning becomes a great scam.


Pardoning self should be barred.

Pardoning family or the family of family should be barred.

Blanket pardons should be very specific so the crimes being pardoned (whether prosecuted or not) are known by all (anything unsaid should be prosecutable even if it relies on crimes pardoned).

Any other ideas?

 

[Halo]

We could also add parameters for reprieves and commutations given they are under the power to pardon. But remain generous.

 

[as seen on tv]

We could also add parameters for reprieves and commutations given they are under the power to pardon. But remain generous.

top 10 amendments I'd rather see first.

1. require a balanced federal budget EXCEPT when a "supermajority" of both the house and senate (67%) agree to exceed this.

2. term limits/mandatory retirement age for senators and house members.

3. eliminate political contributions from unions, corporations, government agencies, non-profits, PACs and foreign sources. only registered US voters should be allowed to fund campaigns.

4. Eliminate all executive order by presidents.

5. Limit US foreign aid ONLY to UN nations which are multiparty democracies with freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and universal suffrage. No aid to kings, ayatollahs, generals, presidents-for-life, shah's, sultans, or people's provisional ruling councils.

6. Require a congressional supermajority to bail out any corporation, like we did during covid 19. cut off wall street, cruise lines, automakers, TV networks, newspapers, casinos, hotel chains.

7. No government funds to clone dead species, or incorporate animal DNA into humans

8. No government guaranteed loans for mortgages, tuition, or factory startups. Get your money from a bank or an angel investor, not taxpayers.

9. Return in person voting to election day only - not weeks or months in advance, at unattended kiosks. Require that voters already be registered at the time they vote, and have valid ID. Continue to allow vote by mail for military personnal, citizens working abroad, and medically disabled.

10. Prevent crypto currency from becoming "legal US tender". it's dollars, not some bits and bytes that are under the control of an algorithm nobody has seen or understands.

 

[Zam-Zam]

top 10 amendments I'd rather see first.

1. require a balanced federal budget EXCEPT when a "supermajority" of both the house and senate (67%) agree to exceed this.

2. term limits/mandatory retirement age for senators and house members.

3. eliminate political contributions from unions, corporations, government agencies, non-profits, PACs and foreign sources. only registered US voters should be allowed to fund campaigns.

4. Eliminate all executive order by presidents.

5. Limit US foreign aid ONLY to UN nations which are multiparty democracies with freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and universal suffrage. No aid to kings, ayatollahs, generals, presidents-for-life, shah's, sultans, or people's provisional ruling councils.

6. Require a congressional supermajority to bail out any corporation, like we did during covid 19. cut off wall street, cruise lines, automakers, TV networks, newspapers, casinos, hotel chains.

7. No government funds to clone dead species, or incorporate animal DNA into humans

8. No government guaranteed loans for mortgages, tuition, or factory startups. Get your money from a bank or an angel investor, not taxpayers.

9. Return in person voting to election day only - not weeks or months in advance, at unattended kiosks. Require that voters already be registered at the time they vote, and have valid ID. Continue to allow vote by mail for military personnal, citizens working abroad, and medically disabled.

10. Prevent crypto currency from becoming "legal US tender". it's dollars, not some bits and bytes that are under the control of an algorithm nobody has seen or understands.

Pretty good list - I really like the first two.

 

[middleview]

top 10 amendments I'd rather see first.

1. require a balanced federal budget EXCEPT when a "supermajority" of both the house and senate (67%) agree to exceed this.

2. term limits/mandatory retirement age for senators and house members.

3. eliminate political contributions from unions, corporations, government agencies, non-profits, PACs and foreign sources. only registered US voters should be allowed to fund campaigns.

4. Eliminate all executive order by presidents.

5. Limit US foreign aid ONLY to UN nations which are multiparty democracies with freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and universal suffrage. No aid to kings, ayatollahs, generals, presidents-for-life, shah's, sultans, or people's provisional ruling councils.

6. Require a congressional supermajority to bail out any corporation, like we did during covid 19. cut off wall street, cruise lines, automakers, TV networks, newspapers, casinos, hotel chains.

7. No government funds to clone dead species, or incorporate animal DNA into humans

8. No government guaranteed loans for mortgages, tuition, or factory startups. Get your money from a bank or an angel investor, not taxpayers.

9. Return in person voting to election day only - not weeks or months in advance, at unattended kiosks. Require that voters already be registered at the time they vote, and have valid ID. Continue to allow vote by mail for military personnal, citizens working abroad, and medically disabled.

10. Prevent crypto currency from becoming "legal US tender". it's dollars, not some bits and bytes that are under the control of an algorithm nobody has seen or understands.

To implement #3 you'd have to get rid of Citizens United...the republicans have fought to preserve dark money for years.

I'd like to see this in your amendment...you cannot donate to a race that you cannot vote in. A Colorado voter can't vote for a senator in another state.

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

... not to abolish pardons but to set up parameters of usage that are generous, the intent of the pardon power, but that cannot be abused in what we all see as egregious. We got to get after this before pardoning becomes a great scam.


Pardoning self should be barred.

Pardoning family or the family of family should be barred.

Blanket pardons should be very specific so the crimes being pardoned (whether prosecuted or not) are known by all (anything unsaid should be prosecutable even if it relies on crimes pardoned).

Any other ideas?

Yeah. Presidents shouldn’t be able to pardon their criminal co-conspirators.

Agreed?

 

[Halo]

To implement #3 you'd have to get rid of Citizens United...the republicans have fought to preserve dark money for years.

I'd like to see this in your amendment...you cannot donate to a race that you cannot vote in. A Colorado voter can't vote for a senator in another state.

I agree get rid of free speech for ALL corporations. NYTimes, NBC, Citizens United,.. you get the idea. They all need to be shuttered.

What a clown ass idea. ha ha

 

[Halo]

top 10 amendments I'd rather see first.

1. require a balanced federal budget EXCEPT when a "supermajority" of both the house and senate (67%) agree to exceed this.

2. term limits/mandatory retirement age for senators and house members.

3. eliminate political contributions from unions, corporations, government agencies, non-profits, PACs and foreign sources. only registered US voters should be allowed to fund campaigns.

4. Eliminate all executive order by presidents.

5. Limit US foreign aid ONLY to UN nations which are multiparty democracies with freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and universal suffrage. No aid to kings, ayatollahs, generals, presidents-for-life, shah's, sultans, or people's provisional ruling councils.

6. Require a congressional supermajority to bail out any corporation, like we did during covid 19. cut off wall street, cruise lines, automakers, TV networks, newspapers, casinos, hotel chains.

7. No government funds to clone dead species, or incorporate animal DNA into humans

8. No government guaranteed loans for mortgages, tuition, or factory startups. Get your money from a bank or an angel investor, not taxpayers.

9. Return in person voting to election day only - not weeks or months in advance, at unattended kiosks. Require that voters already be registered at the time they vote, and have valid ID. Continue to allow vote by mail for military personnal, citizens working abroad, and medically disabled.

10. Prevent crypto currency from becoming "legal US tender". it's dollars, not some bits and bytes that are under the control of an algorithm nobody has seen or understands.

Most of these are legislation more so than amendment ready.

 

[middleview]

I agree get rid of free speech for ALL corporations. NYTimes, NBC, Citizens United,.. you get the idea. They all need to be shuttered.

What a clown ass idea. ha ha

Reporting the news is not a political donation. Money is not speech and nothing I wrote was supporting shuttering companies.

 

[Halo]

Yeah. Presidents shouldn’t be able to pardon their criminal co-conspirators.

Agreed?

Maybe only after convictions. Blanket pardons for events and/or time frames just doesn't smack of justice. There will be government actors who get convicted who a president may well should commute or pardon. And know you guys you'd call that co-conspirators to the president.

Besides that kind of pardon puts the president at risk given his "co-conspirators" are set free and compelled to testify, right?

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

Maybe only after convictions. Blanket pardons for events and/or time frames just doesn't smack of justice. There will be government actors who get convicted who a president may well should commute or pardon. And know you guys you'd call that co-conspirators to the president.

Besides that kind of pardon puts the president at risk given his "co-conspirators" are set free and compelled to testify, right?

Hello? The President should be at risk when he and his cronies commit crimes.

But let’s face it - the rule of law is dead either way. Trump’s hack judges saw to that.

 

[Halo]

Reporting the news is not a political donation. Money is not speech and nothing I wrote was supporting shuttering companies.

Well, the NYTimes would have to shutter under your opinion that companies do not have an absolute right to free speech. Haven't heard you deny that. We all know that the NYTimes doesn't just report the news, but gives away alot of in kind political opinion and endorsements.

According to you all Boeing would have to do is set up a "newspaper" that could then freely promote its speech. Maybe all the corporations could get together and fund mega papers pushing their particular agendas.

Spending money to project your free speech to the public is indeed free speech. Corporations do that in behalf of their share holders who have been made a person i.e. corporeal by incorporating. You don't like capitalism? You certainly don't like rights.

 

[Halo]

Hello? The President should be at risk when he and his cronies commit crimes.

But let’s face it - the rule of law is dead either way. Trump’s hack judges saw to that.

I don't feel you're intellectually capable to appreciate how a president must have a degree of immunity. Even cops today still deserve that though racialists have worked hard to take that away.

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

I don't feel you're intellectually capable to appreciate how a president must have a degree of immunity. Even cops today still deserve that though racialists have worked hard to take that away.

Please. Only traitors think presidents should have immunity to commit crimes to reverse the outcomes of elections. And only hack judges completely concoct such “immunity” to keep such a criminal defendant from facing trial.

Your cult.

 

[middleview]

Well, the NYTimes would have to shutter under your opinion that companies do not have an absolute right to free speech. Haven't heard you deny that. We all know that the NYTimes doesn't just report the news, but gives away alot of in kind political opinion and endorsements.

According to you all Boeing would have to do is set up a "newspaper" that could then freely promote its speech. Maybe all the corporations could get together and fund mega papers pushing their particular agendas.

Spending money to project your free speech to the public is indeed free speech. Corporations do that in behalf of their share holders who have been made a person i.e. corporeal by incorporating. You don't like capitalism? You certainly don't like rights.

I deny that newspapers would have to shutter. We are talking about cash donations from dark money sources. Republicans have fought against limiting those sources.
Corporations are currently prohibited from political donations...so they engage in circumventing the law to influence elections.

Kind of funny that in another post you condemned the 51 former intelligence officials of election interference....f*ck their free speech rights...eh?

 

[Halo]

I deny that newspapers would have to shutter. We are talking about cash donations from dark money sources.

We are talking about corporate free speech.

Republicans have fought against limiting those sources.
Corporations are currently prohibited from political donations...so they engage in circumventing the law to influence elections.

As an investor the companies I've invested in speak in my behalf with my full free speech rights delegated in the matter. I spend money to project my speech more widely as should the corporations that represent my invested interests.

Kind of funny that in another post you condemned the 51 former intelligence officials of election interference....f*ck their free speech rights...eh?

I'm not sure you're remembering quite right. Remind me with a link.

 

[Halo]

Please. Only traitors think presidents should have immunity to commit crimes to reverse the outcomes of elections. And only hack judges completely concoct such “immunity” to keep such a criminal defendant from facing trial.

Your cult.

You're a literal little d democracy child. We live in something that is a little more complicated and useful called a republic. Learn to live in one or start your Marxist indoctrination post haste so that you can go along to get along. ha ha

 

[Halo]

@middleview but thanks for screwing up my thread by hijacking it along with @as seen on tv

I'd imagine if a corporation gave money to a candidate it would be subject to the same limits as a person such as you or I. These question represent a reasonable balance that your claims seem to be lying about.

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

You're a literal little d democracy child. We live in something that is a little more complicated and useful called a republic. Learn to live in one or start your Marxist indoctrination post haste so that you can go along to get along. ha ha

Your tangential speeches are trite and boring.

Respond to what I said, if you can.

 

[middleview]

We are talking about corporate free speech.



As an investor the companies I've invested in speak in my behalf with my full free speech rights delegated in the matter. I spend money to project my speech more widely as should the corporations that represent my invested interests.


I'm not sure you're remembering quite right. Remind me with a link.

The people who run a corporation have first amendment rights...the corporation does not. You have the right to free speech...it is not delegated to a company you invest in, the grocery store where you buy beer, the gas station where you get gas or your barber. The suggestion is laughable. Does the corporation contact you about an intended political donation? Hell no...the donation itself would be illegal.

A corporation may send out statement supporting one thing or another...but may not donate money...that is why they set up PACs.