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We Really Need This!

I think our entire prison system needs an overhAul. We have two prisons sitting empty and others overcrowded.

The number of prisosners in lockup would astound people and if you think that's a shocker try figuring the costs every year of housing, feeding and caring for prisoners.

There are more than one category of them. But, basically, the primary difference is sort of between telonous criminals and those who screw-up once. And several levels betwix the two.

Maybe the old timers from the days of yore had the right idea.......find a remote island and put the bad-asses there. With today's technology it wouldn't be difficult to guard such a place.

The costs the our legal system is something rarely talked about but the figure is astronomical.

Perhaps we have too many laws on the books that walk a tightrope over rather they are even inforcable.

I am not for turning criminal loose to harass the masses but I can see where we could benefit from making some institutions more of a self-sudfficient type of punishment.

Of course there'd aslways be those who complained like the guy who spent years on a chain gang breaking-up rocks with a sledge who was upset when the prison bought a rock crusher.

Actually, I would love to have a single dollar bill for every building sitting empty in this country. Now there's a waste. Not just of space not untilized but that of keeping them heated in cold weather etc and maintianing them for appearance in case a suitable user comes along who needs space. The only drawback I see against solving the vacancy rate would be the taggers loss of walls to decorate.

Good Morning, MAryAnne. Are we having fun yet with our news owners?

Gramps
 
Not sure how they are taking us yet,Gramps.

I am sitting out the snow storm you had. 6 to 8 inches and still coming down,hard.
 
MaryAnne said:
Why not transfer them to all the prisons built in this country that are standing empty? Guess that is too simple for the Military Complex.

http://atwar.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/03/21/pentagon-wants-to-build-new-prison-at-guantanamo/
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Because the states object to doing so and the projects can't be funded. That's what happened when the DoD suggested moving those in confinement to an empty prison in Thomson, Ill. The Illinois delegation feared it would draw terrorist activity to the area and was sufficiently influential to stop funding for the move.
 
MaryAnne said:
Why not transfer them to all the prisons built in this country that are standing empty? Guess that is too simple for the Military Complex.

http://atwar.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/03/21/pentagon-wants-to-build-new-prison-at-guantanamo/
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You mean.....Guantanamo's still open? I'm shocked!



June 24, 2007: The Associated Press's Elizabeth White reports on a speech by Presidential hopeful Barack Obama, then a junior Illinois Senator, to a crowd in Texas. "We're going to close Guantanamo. And we're going to restore habeas corpus," Obama says. "We're going to lead by example—not just by word but by deed. That's our vision for the future."

January 22, 2009: Freshly inaugurated President Obama signs an executive order to close the Guantánamo Bay Detention Facility within one year. He says the action is meant to "restore the standards of due process and the core constitutional values that have made this country great even in the midst of war, even in dealing with terrorism." In the summer of 2009, he grants a six-month extension to the Guantánamo closing commission.

December 15, 2009: The President tells federal authorities to acquire a prison in Thompson, Illinois as Guantánamo's replacement. The idea is to transfer Gitmo prisoners to this super-maximum security facilites and shut down the controversial Cuban prison. Not-in-my-backyard rage and fear over terrorists within U.S. borders ensues.

May 19, 2010: The House Armed Services Committee rejects the Obama administration's plan to bring Guantánamo detainees into domestic prisons by approving legislation that prohibits detention centers inside the U.S.

March 7, 2011​: President Obama signs another executive order, this one focussed on creating a review process for detainees. The goal is to "establish, as a discretionary matter, a process to review on a periodic basis the executive branch's continued, discretionary exercise of existing detention authority in individual cases." In the same breath, he re-institutes military tribunals for detainees.

April 23, 2011: The plan to prosecute September 11th mastermind Khalid Sheik Mohammed in federal court falls apart, with Attorney General Eric Holder informing the president that KSM would be returned to Guantánamo Bay for trial. A report in The Washington Post claims this move will "mark the effective abandonment of the president's promise to close the military detention center."

Septemberg 29, 2012: The last westerner held at Guantánamo, Omar Khadr, is sent back to Canada after serving eight years for murder in violation of the law of war and other charges.

January 28, 2013: The State Department shuts down the office of the envoy for closing the prison at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba.



http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2013/01/obama-closing-guantanamo-timeline/61509/



Promises, promises....
 
I know,Zam,and when they tried to close it , Trap just gave you the answer! Liver lilied cowards are costing us billions.
 
trapdoor said:
Because the states object to doing so and the projects can't be funded. That's what happened when the DoD suggested moving those in confinement to an empty prison in Thomson, Ill. The Illinois delegation feared it would draw terrorist activity to the area and was sufficiently influential to stop funding for the move.
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Thank you,Trapdoor! that is the problem.
 
MaryAnne said:
I know,Zam,and when they tried to close it , Trap just gave you the answer! Liver lilied cowards are costing us billions.
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It appears the President had a change of heart:

But Bush - and, later, Obama - reportedly determined that the value of extracting information from terrorists and their confederates outweighed the reputational damage caused by Americans holding prisoners indefinitely under circumstances that would be unconstitutional if the detainees were US citizens.

In January the Obama White House reassigned Daniel Fried, the special envoy for closing the Cuban prison, and determined that it would not replace him.

The administration created Fried’s job in 2009, shortly after Obama took office and promised to close Guantanamo within a year. The envoy negotiated the repatriation of 31 low-level detainees to their own countries, and convinced other nations to accept about 40 more whose release was approved, but who feared government oppression or other abuse if they returned home.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ion-dollars-renovations-new-construction.html


As for the renovation project, the ball is in Chuck Hagel's court:

But new Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel is instead considering a proposal from his top commanders to spend $195.7 million renovating it and erecting a new prison building.



Whether he approves or not remains to be seen.
 
May 19, 2010: The House Armed Services Committee rejects the Obama administration's plan to bring Guantánamo detainees into domestic prisons by approving legislation that prohibits detention centers inside the U.S.

LeRoy: So Republicans in Congress STOPPED President Obama from closing Guantanamo. Exactly what we've been saying all along.
 
LeRoy_Was_Here said:
May 19, 2010: The House Armed Services Committee rejects the Obama administration's plan to bring Guantánamo detainees into domestic prisons by approving legislation that prohibits detention centers inside the U.S.

LeRoy: So Republicans in Congress STOPPED President Obama from closing Guantanamo. Exactly what we've been saying all along.
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Check the date. Which party was the majority in Congress in May of 2010? (Hint: Nancy Pelosi was Speaker of the House).
 
If those prisons can keep mass murders from escaping,they can hold a few war criminals. And,we do not even know they are. They have not been convicted.

The Blind Sheik has been imprisoned here for years!
 
there are empty prisons in america? live and learn.

every time i open a newspaper i encounter an article about "prison overcrowding"

please name an "empty prison" that is suitable for use in the short term - i.e, ,something contstructed after the civil war.
 
as seen on tv said:
there are empty prisons in america? live and learn.

every time i open a newspaper i encounter an article about "prison overcrowding"

please name an "empty prison" that is suitable for use in the short term - i.e, ,something contstructed after the civil war.
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I think Bo gave several links,and I know those in Illinois begged for the Prisoners,so they could keep an almost new prison open.
 
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