WE WON!!!

[Sgt Staples]

SCOTUS just issued its decision that a union can't force a person who doesn't wish to join to pay dues.

This is going to be disastrous for unions. They will lose many dues paying members, Good, they are communistic organizations anyway and we have more than enough labor laws to protect workers and more than enough lawyers to sue over violations. Who the hell needs unions too?

Just in! Hobby Lobby won; they don't have to provide insurance to their workers if it violates their religious belief.

Man, what a great day it is when the AHole Obama loses twice.
Maybe there is light at the end of the tunnel!

 

[Figjam]

...so hobby lobby gets to force their religious beliefs on their employees - and you call that a win - I suppose it is if you are a supporter of the taliban.

 

[Alinvegas]

...so hobby lobby gets to force their religious beliefs on their employees - and you call that a win - I suppose it is if you are a supporter of the taliban.

Why are you calling Hobby Lobby the Taliban? Why do you hate the supreme court?

 

[gigi]

...so hobby lobby gets to force their religious beliefs on their employees - and you call that a win - I suppose it is if you are a supporter of the taliban.

Please tell me how, up til the mandate was issued, Hobby Lobby forced their religious views on their employees.

 

[Dino]

SCOTUS just issued its decision that a union can't force a person who doesn't wish to join to pay dues.

This is going to be disastrous for unions. They will lose many dues paying members, Good, they are communistic organizations anyway and we have more than enough labor laws to protect workers and more than enough lawyers to sue over violations. Who the hell needs unions too?

Just in! Hobby Lobby won; they don't have to provide insurance to their workers if it violates their religious belief.

Man, what a great day it is when the AHole Obama loses twice.
Maybe there is light at the end of the tunnel!

I think the union ruling is a bit more limited...

Union officials say they have won higher wages and better benefits for 20,000 of these home-care assistants in Illinois. But anti-union lawyers sued the state, arguing these private assistants are not truly public employees and should not be compelled to pay fees to a union.

In keeping its ruling narrow, the court refrained from dealing an even greater setback to unions. Some had urged the court to rule that all public employees have a right to opt out of paying union dues, reversing its 1977 ruling that upheld mandatory union fees.
By law, public employees cannot be required by law to join a union and pay full dues as members. These dues may pay for lobbying and political spending.
But since 1977, the high court had upheld "fair share" fees, which require all the employees to pay a lesser amount to cover the cost of collective bargaining.

http://touch.latimes.com/#section/1780/article/p2p-80471607/

 

[Figjam]

...I don't hate the supreme court - in this instance I believe they are wrong - and I believe that a company should not have a right to limit access to health care based on their personal religious beliefs. So what's next? An employer who is a Christian Scientist refuses to allow their employees to have health coverage because, Christian Scientists fundamentally believe that diseases are not real, and can be healed with focused prayer from one of their “practitioners.”?

Why are you calling Hobby Lobby the Taliban? Why do you hate the supreme court?

 

[Sgt Staples]

...so hobby lobby gets to force their religious beliefs on their employees - and you call that a win - I suppose it is if you are a supporter of the taliban.

Nice spin. Hobby lobby isn't forcing their religious beliefs on anyone.

Their workers are perfectly free to use birth control if they choose. And Hobby Lobby can't be forced to provide it for them if they choose.

It's what we use to call "Liberty."

Kind of an old fashion concept, I know.

Fascists probably wouldn't understand it.



Maybe there is light at the end of the tunnel. Religious and financial liberty took a bit step in the right direction; being returned to us from the fascist Obama administration.

 

[Drumcollie]

...so hobby lobby gets to force their religious beliefs on their employees - and you call that a win - I suppose it is if you are a supporter of the taliban.

WOW !!! Figdish just showed his hatred for the Constitution....and ya cant take that back now....Busted!

P.S. its Taliban not "taliban". Better you keep your mouth shut and look like and idiot than to express yourself and prove it!

 

[Figjam]

...I call it ISIS, califate, taliban - forcing religious beliefs on others. No one has to use contraception if they don't want to but having the option as part of their health care should not be an issue.

Liberty is choice - removing the choice is a loss of liberty.

Nice spin. Hobby lobby isn't forcing their religious beliefs on anyone.

Their workers are perfectly free to use birth control if they choose. And Hobby Lobby can't be forced to provide it for them if they choose.

It's what we use to call "Liberty."

Kind of an old fashion concept, I know.

Fascists probably wouldn't understand it.



Maybe there is light at the end of the tunnel. Religious and financial liberty took a bit step in the right direction; being returned to us from the fascist Obama administration.

 

[Drumcollie]

Nice spin. Hobby lobby isn't forcing their religious beliefs on anyone.

Their workers are perfectly free to use birth control if they choose. And Hobby Lobby can't be forced to provide it for them if they choose.

It's what we use to call "Liberty."

Kind of an old fashion concept, I know.

Fascists probably wouldn't understand it.



Maybe there is light at the end of the tunnel. Religious and financial liberty took a bit step in the right direction; being returned to us from the fascist Obama administration.

No Figdish doesn't hate the S.C.O.TU.S...just the Constitution which it must abide by.

 

[Figjam]

...as usual, nothing to say I see.

WOW !!! Figdish just showed his hatred for the Constitution....and ya cant take that back now....Busted!

P.S. its Taliban not "taliban". Better you keep your mouth shut and look like and idiot than to express yourself and prove it!

 

[Drumcollie]

...I call it ISIS, califate, taliban - forcing religious beliefs on others. No one has to use contraception if they don't want to but having the option as part of their health care should not be an issue.

Liberty is choice - removing the choice is a loss of liberty.

That's what you call it but what you mean is...WAAAHHHH....WAAAAHHHHH!

 

[Craig]

SCOTUS just issued its decision that a union can't force a person who doesn't wish to join to pay dues.

This is going to be disastrous for unions. They will lose many dues paying members, Good, they are communistic organizations anyway and we have more than enough labor laws to protect workers and more than enough lawyers to sue over violations. Who the hell needs unions too?

Just in! Hobby Lobby won; they don't have to provide insurance to their workers if it violates their religious belief.

Man, what a great day it is when the AHole Obama loses twice.
Maybe there is light at the end of the tunnel!

Consider the various cans of worms.

Say...Apple or MicroSoft decides it's an organization based on the pacifist aspects of a religion, any religion. They then argue that their employees don't need to pay any moneys taxed for warring purposes, as it violates their religious belief. Cool?

 

[Drumcollie]

...as usual, nothing to say I see.

And as usual no denial...your free to live somewhere else you know.

 

[Drumcollie]

Consider the various cans of worms.

Say...Apple or MicroSoft decides it's an organization based on the pacifist aspects of a religion, any religion. They then argue that their employees don't need to pay any moneys taxed for warring purposes, as it violates their religious belief. Cool?

Yes if they can show where their religion says don't give to Caesar what is Caesars if making War.

 

[Figjam]

...oooo, but that would be un-American because republicans love war!

...you are right Craig, this "piecemeal" approach to who gets to allow what based on "religious" beliefs is a problem. As I noted to Al, what if they were Christian Scientists who fundamentally believe that diseases are not real, and can be healed with focused prayer from one of their “practitioners.”?

Consider the various cans of worms.

Say...Apple or MicroSoft decides it's an organization based on the pacifist aspects of a religion, any religion. They then argue that their employees don't need to pay any moneys taxed for warring purposes, as it violates their religious belief. Cool?

 

[Sgt Staples]

I think the union ruling is a bit more limited...

Union officials say they have won higher wages and better benefits for 20,000 of these home-care assistants in Illinois. But anti-union lawyers sued the state, arguing these private assistants are not truly public employees and should not be compelled to pay fees to a union.

In keeping its ruling narrow, the court refrained from dealing an even greater setback to unions. Some had urged the court to rule that all public employees have a right to opt out of paying union dues, reversing its 1977 ruling that upheld mandatory union fees.
By law, public employees cannot be required by law to join a union and pay full dues as members. These dues may pay for lobbying and political spending.
But since 1977, the high court had upheld "fair share" fees, which require all the employees to pay a lesser amount to cover the cost of collective bargaining.

http://touch.latimes.com/#section/1780/article/p2p-80471607/

I dunno; There is some question about it.

They argued that the government usually cannot force individuals to support private groups, yet the mandatory fees forced some government employees to support organizations they opposed.

We'll just have to wait on the question of non government unions.

It will probably appear in court now that this decision has been rendered.

Here in Tennessee you can't be forced to pay dues to any union, private or government. And you can't be penalized for it. We have very few union members in this state, needless to say.

 

[Figjam]

...I choose to live in America - you seem to favor religious oppression which we should not allow here.

And as usual no denial...your free to live somewhere else you know.

 

[IndependentinWis]

SCOTUS just issued its decision that a union can't force a person who doesn't wish to join to pay dues.

This is going to be disastrous for unions. They will lose many dues paying members, Good, they are communistic organizations anyway and we have more than enough labor laws to protect workers and more than enough lawyers to sue over violations. Who the hell needs unions too?

Just in! Hobby Lobby won; they don't have to provide insurance to their workers if it violates their religious belief.

Man, what a great day it is when the AHole Obama loses twice.
Maybe there is light at the end of the tunnel!

This is a huge loss to the workers of this country and another huge win by business. Of course this SCOTUS is owned by corporations, at least five of them. They have forced this country into "1984" where the corporations own and control the government. It is funny, people are afraid of the government invasion into their lives, but in reality it is the corporations that they should fear.

 

[Craig]

Yes if they can show where their religion says don't give to Caesar what is Caesars if making War.

Their religion makes no mention of Caesar. Just says no war.