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Gramps

Gramps

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Samo, samo that befalls most political, religious or other controversial sites. It imploded. What else could anyone expect to occur?

This is not a debate board. Far from it. It is an informational roundup of opinions that reek with hate. Far too many threads are posted for no other purpose than to attack opponents in harsh manners.

I doubt I am alone in my thoughts, The thinkers surely understand the futility of trying to debate serious issues when so many panelists thrive on unscrupulous barbs. It's not about issues. It's evolved into a shouting match of unsavory inuendoes.

Is this site a real example of how the political trends are veering out of control? If it is, then we are in a real hurt.

That is sad if you consider those on these sites who are just trying to make a point of view for consideration in the midst of chaos that is pointless.

Any serious breeder of race horse knows you don't run a good mount to death until it is dripping with foam and then tie him off in the barn to cool down. But the horses in these races to garner attention are a pitiful sight.

Gramps
 
Gramps, to make the ideology/partisan argument, when you have people calling neo-Eisenhowerian economics like President Obama's "socialism" and "Communism"....there's not much chance of actual debate.
 
Morning Gramps. I think I know what is wrong,but would porbably get in trouble if I told you. I think it is really sad because Dave,Chris and Jon gave us a really good board.

Both sides are guilty but the hate is obvious. This is a small example of what is wrong with our Country. We are sinking in a mire of hate with no one willing to give.
 
Don't bring a knife to a gun fight

I think that's how your president put it. And besides any breeder of mules knows you get their attention with a 2 x 4.
 
Well Gramps, maybe part of it is the fact that it's an election year. That's one possible rationale if you're trying to find reasons outside of a public that is such a reflection of the media that they are no longer thinking for themselves. Look at the political debates for example.

With all of the debates that have occurred you would think that the candidates would have had an ample opportunity to really expand on what their various policies are about. Instead, in almost every one of them the moderators deliberately try to get a fight going between the candidates themselves because that seems to offer more excitement and advertiser fees. Instead of doing nothing more than repeating talking points the candidates should actually be explaining how their policies would affect the whole country.

Perhaps people are simply following the patterns that are forming from people who are supposed to be vying for leadership.
 
I've noticed, over the years, that, in the US, political opinions are treated like a religion - with dissenters, of whatever that opinion is, considered to be heretics that should be burned at the stake.

Open mindedness, the ability to consider a reasoned argument against ones' opinion, should prevail amongst educated posters. Not the belief that anyone objecting to ones' opinion is automatically lying.

There's also the strawman argument, that we've all seen used so many times, that two wrongs, especially if one of the wrongs was committed by someone who could be viewed as belonging to the opposition viewpoint, makes the wrong committed by the favoured one, somehow right.

I guess it is up to us shining ones (ex KFSers) to show the barbarians (ex BBers) by example on how to conduct civilised debates. :)
 
that isn't how you change someone's mind.....I left the republican party because of the tactics....
 
Well good for you...but the gun/knife metaphor was your president's right. Could it be that the problem Gramps was bringing up starts with the policy of trickle down contempt, hate and divisiveness?
 
Its coming close to Civil War again, Gramps, only the 630,000 dead in the first one will be like a Sunday School picnic or a benign Chicago weekend in comparison. Its just a question of what's going to happen first, Mahmoud making Haifa and Tel Aviv dissappear in boiling black clouds or open revolt here, if not after Obama has the Bishops and clerics perp walked by the photographers in handcuffs, shackles, and leg irons, then there'll be something else shortly thereafter.
With Barry Hussein in charge its no longer the WWII era Uncle Sam caricature saying "I want you!", its Uncle Sam saying "I own you!"
 
It's not a debate board. That's true, Gramps. It's a board where people write editorials and other people comment on those editorials. There's nothing wrong with that in itself.

I think it's impossible to debate in this situation (writing messages back and forth). So we might as well see it for what it is, and that is what I described in the second sentence.

What has gone wrong with the board, or any of these boards, is that when an editorial is published and someone disagrees with it, their response and make up stories about the person writing the editorial rather than respond to the editorial. If responders would just respond to the material written, maybe the whole thing would be smoother and more acceptable.

That's just my opinion,of course.
Jen
 
1. the metaphor of bringing a gun to a knife fight isn't the same as using a 2 by 4 on your political rivals....the difference would be similar to defending yourself vs outright assault.

2. Go back to the Clinton death list and the Starr investigation if you want to contemplate hate and divisiveness. Then figure out how to stop the downward spiral when one party talks about the president killing people to save money on health care (death panels) or how everyone who voted for Obama must have been fooled by the media or apologizing for past racism....
 
Swish is sound of the net with a perfect shot. Swoosh is the sound of something going over your head. The mule 2x4 referred to PJ posting, the other came from the president referring to political tactics. Got it now?
 
exactly....I'm glad you got that far....now think about defense vs assault. Using a rhetorical 2 by 4 to "get someones attention" is an assault....
 
It's an opinion that I second. But it is also obvious that posters are beginning to change. We are starting to see more posters concentrate on proving or disproving the topic rather than attack the poster [or posters].
 
A simple matter of self-indulgent folks running with anonymity. When one is not accountable to normal social pressures (as is the case in web forums such as this), a greater measure of self-restraint is needed to check the baser impulse to insult and demean.

To put it bluntly, if character is defined as what one does when no one is looking - it should likewise be defined as how someone posts when there is no risk of social consequence. As I recall, the command was not "love thy neighbor unless you are electronically shielded".

Just a thought. Good post, Gramps. I appreciate the sentiment and share your desire for a kinder, more respectful and content-driven board.
 
reread my posts...now we are in agreement....using a 2 by 4 doesn't work. Harm? Do you really have that short of an attention span? Go back to the top of the thread and start again.
 
Yes, Cicero. We are evolving.

Cicero said:
It's an opinion that I second. But it is also obvious that posters are beginning to change. We are starting to see more posters concentrate on proving or disproving the topic rather than attack the poster [or posters].
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Speaking in anonymity gives a certain feeling of power.

RickWA said:
A simple matter of self-indulgent folks running with anonymity. When one is not accountable to normal social pressures (as is the case in web forums such as this), a greater measure of self-restraint is needed to check the baser impulse to insult and demean.

To put it bluntly, if character is defined as what one does when no one is looking - it should likewise be defined as how someone posts when there is no risk of social consequence. As I recall, the command was not "love thy neighbor unless you are electronically shielded".

Just a thought. Good post, Gramps. I appreciate the sentiment and share your desire for a kinder, more respectful and content-driven board.
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