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Arkady

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I was reading a story about Iraq-War proponents in the press and their comments today, looking back at that catastrophic invasion. It made me think that it would be a healthy exercise for people to call out their own political mistakes and, if they're able, to identify the cause of those mistakes.

I stand by most of my recent political decisions. I was a gay marriage supporter and an Iraq War opponent before most Americans caught up on those issues. I don't regret voting for Obama either time, even though he's been a train wreck on civil liberties (I still think he was the lesser of the two evils in each election). I stand by my Krugmanite economic views. I'm trying to think of any really big political mistakes lately (on the scale of supporting the Iraq War), and am not coming up with any.

Most of what's occurring to me is minor. For example, I twice underestimated Obama as a candidate. In 2008, I thought Hillary Clinton would beat him, because I doubted anyone as inexperienced as him could be such a wiley campaigner, and in 2012, although I expected him to win the overall election, I didn't expect him to win the second and third debates so handily (though I've got bragging rights for being one of the few on the left who wasn't at all surprised by his extremely weak showing in the first debate). The last significant political mistake that comes to mind for me was supporting Edwards in 2008 -- I see now that I was dazzled by his charisma and his class-consciousness, and that if he'd won the nomination it might have been disastrous for the Democratic Party and the nation.

Another fairly significant error was opposing the bailout of GM. I was overly concerned with the moral hazard, and thought it should be allowed to fail, but since then I've developed a more sophisticated understanding of the importance of regional economic systems, and I see how a failure by GM might have set off a regional death spiral for heavy industry, in a region that's already suffering horribly. I was also wrong to be so skeptical of Romneycare in Massachusetts. I was worried that it would drive away business and attract the poor and sick, and that turned out not to be a serious problem -- I simply overestimated the mobility of people and businesses.

Prior to that, I'd also stupidly supported Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe in Maine. After they stood up as two of the only Republican senators (along with Specter and Chaffee) to oppose removing Clinton from office, I idealized them in a way that just wasn't justified. I was so eager to find some example of a "good Republican" that I saw their vote as an act of courage, rather than just political calculus by a pair of veteran politicians who knew they had a fairly liberal electorate to face. It took me years to realize what a cynical pair they really were, and now, looking back, I'm mortified I could have fallen for them in the first place.

There are lots of other dumb political things I used to believe, but most of them are from many decades ago, when I was still a kid. No more recent ones are occurring to me.
 
I really thought "govt insured deposits" was safe for savers, even when banks made bad loans (like Cyprus Banks investing billions in Greek Bonds). Turns out I was wrong.

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With the exception of backing Hillary over Obama, I cannot think of a single thing. :)And I still think she would be a wonderful President!
 
I'd be particularly curious to hear who, for example, thought that Bush's tax cuts wouldn't result in massive deficits, who thought invading Iraq could be done at fairly low cost, who thought McCain or Romney would win, and things like that. Which brings me to another item in my own failures, I was sure the Bush v. Gore decision would come out in favor of Gore, since ruling in favor of Bush would require inventing a wholly new and ultra-broad reading of equal protection, to trump state laws and traditional state control of the election process, and I couldn't see that coming from a court dominated by conservatives who'd spent their entire careers railing against exactly that kind of judicial activism. I was still very idealistic about the law, back then -- I thought that Rehnquist, Scalia, Thomas, Kennedy, and O'Connor were honest conservatives who might disagree with me on how the law should be viewed, but who would at least apply their principles fairly and honestly. It wasn't until after that case that I realized they were nothing but robed conservative operatives who thought the law said whatever they needed it to say to enforce their preferred political outcome. I did a lot of growing up very quickly as I read that vile, indefensible legal decision.
 
In 1976, I voted for Jimmy Carter. Oops.

More recently, I thought the Niners were going to beat the Ravens easily. Oops again.
 
I was reading a story about Iraq-War proponents in the press and their comments today, looking back at that catastrophic invasion. It made me think that it would be a healthy exercise for people to call out their own political mistakes and, if they're able, to identify the cause of those mistakes.

I stand by most of my recent political decisions. I was a gay marriage supporter and an Iraq War opponent before most Americans caught up on those issues. I don't regret voting for Obama either time, even though he's been a train wreck on civil liberties (I still think he was the lesser of the two evils in each election). I stand by my Krugmanite economic views. I'm trying to think of any really big political mistakes lately (on the scale of supporting the Iraq War), and am not coming up with any.

Most of what's occurring to me is minor. For example, I twice underestimated Obama as a candidate. In 2008, I thought Hillary Clinton would beat him, because I doubted anyone as inexperienced as him could be such a wiley campaigner, and in 2012, although I expected him to win the overall election, I didn't expect him to win the second and third debates so handily (though I've got bragging rights for being one of the few on the left who wasn't at all surprised by his extremely weak showing in the first debate). The last significant political mistake that comes to mind for me was supporting Edwards in 2008 -- I see now that I was dazzled by his charisma and his class-consciousness, and that if he'd won the nomination it might have been disastrous for the Democratic Party and the nation.

Another fairly significant error was opposing the bailout of GM. I was overly concerned with the moral hazard, and thought it should be allowed to fail, but since then I've developed a more sophisticated understanding of the importance of regional economic systems, and I see how a failure by GM might have set off a regional death spiral for heavy industry, in a region that's already suffering horribly. I was also wrong to be so skeptical of Romneycare in Massachusetts. I was worried that it would drive away business and attract the poor and sick, and that turned out not to be a serious problem -- I simply overestimated the mobility of people and businesses.

Prior to that, I'd also stupidly supported Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe in Maine. After they stood up as two of the only Republican senators (along with Specter and Chaffee) to oppose removing Clinton from office, I idealized them in a way that just wasn't justified. I was so eager to find some example of a "good Republican" that I saw their vote as an act of courage, rather than just political calculus by a pair of veteran politicians who knew they had a fairly liberal electorate to face. It took me years to realize what a cynical pair they really were, and now, looking back, I'm mortified I could have fallen for them in the first place.

There are lots of other dumb political things I used to believe, but most of them are from many decades ago, when I was still a kid. No more recent ones are occurring to me.

You wrote this entire long-ass post just to tongue-bathe the Democrats?? Are you looking for a job at MSNBC? And you claim to be "mortified" at falling for cynical politicians? LOL!!
 
wordly naturally would never admit a true error.....like his prognostications about gold prices.

Well, in the spirit of the exercise, I was wrong about gold. I thought it was a bubble set to burst as soon as it cracked $1000 per ounce, in 2009. Although it's been coming down, it's still way above that.

That said, most of my investment calls have been pretty good. I moved mostly out of domestic stocks and into international stocks in the Bush years, because I thought the US economy would do relatively poorly under his leadership, and that had me beating the S&P 500 year after year. Then, when Obama took office, I sold off a lot of my foreign stock and moved domestic, while shrinking my emergency cash reserves to invest more heavily in domestic markets, so I've taken full advantage of the run-up in domestic stocks since the start of 2009. I've also made some good sector calls. My one dumb recent investment was inaccurately calling the "bottom" for APPLE (I thought it would bounce back and it kept drifting down), which lost me some money.
 
I was wrong twice recently. The first time was n 2008 when I thought that although I couldn't agree with his liberal politics and didn't vote for him that Obama would be a good President to unite all people of this country regardless of their skin colors. He is not a uniter.

The second time was when I thought that since Obama said he would have the most transparent administration ever that he would. He didn't and hasn't.

All of my most recent errors were when I decided that even though I didn't vote for President Obama that I would believe him. I won't make that mistake again. I believe that we all make mistakes but we should learn from them.

I was correct for not supporting either Al Gore or GW Bush in 2000. Both were proponents of things I do not agree with: big spending, environmental wasteful spending (Gore), wars to spread democracy (Bush). I was correct for not agreeing that we should topple Saddam Hussein in Iraq. That just freed Iran up to mess with us (and did a host of other bad things in the world).

And eeek. I just saw ZamZam's post. I, too, voted for Jimmy Carter in 1976. That was perhaps the biggest mistake of ever.
 
In 1976, I voted for Jimmy Carter. Oops.

More recently, I thought the Niners were going to beat the Ravens easily. Oops again.

I picked the Ravens in that one, but thought the Broncos would beat them two rounds earlier, so what do I know.
 
I picked the Ravens in that one, but thought the Broncos would beat them two rounds earlier, so what do I know.


That game was unbelievable. I don't know the name of the Broncos defensive back who let the ball sail over his head, but I imagine he's the Colorado equivalent of Scott Norwood or Bill Buckner.......
 
I also thought that Hillary Clinton would be the Democratic nominee in 2008.

I was wrong about the outcome of the SCOTUS decision regarding Obamacare.

I was for the invasion of Iraq and I remain in favor of it. While it is true that the WMD were not found there, the world is better off without Saddam Hussein running a country.
 
I was wrong twice recently. The first time was n 2008 when I thought that although I couldn't agree with his liberal politics and didn't vote for him that Obama would be a good President to unite all people of this country regardless of their skin colors. He is not a uniter.

The second time was when I thought that since Obama said he would have the most transparent administration ever that he would. He didn't and hasn't.

All of my most recent errors were when I decided that even though I didn't vote for President Obama that I would believe him. I won't make that mistake again. I believe that we all make mistakes but we should learn from them.

I was correct for not supporting either Al Gore or GW Bush in 2000. Both were proponents of things I do not agree with: big spending, environmental wasteful spending (Gore), wars to spread democracy (Bush). I was correct for not agreeing that we should topple Saddam Hussein in Iraq. That just freed Iran up to mess with us (and did a host of other bad things in the world).

I never thought Obama would be a uniter. I was convinced the conservatives would hate absolutely any Democrat, no matter what, and that they'd do so with their customary blind fury. I even argued that on chat boards, against those Obama supporters, in the 2008 primary, who were convinced he could start to heal the nation's wounds. I feel like I was completely right about that. The last few years went EXACTLY as I pictured them, in terms of mindless, hate-fueled opposition to absolutely anything Obama supports.

However, I'm with you on the transparency thing. Even back when I was supporting Hillary Clinton against Obama in the primary, part of me wanted to support Obama because he spoke so often about transparency, and I thought we'd become dangerously opaque, and really needed that sunlight. I took him seriously on that topic, and I was wrong to do so. You could make a decent argument his has been the LEAST transparent administration.

As for 2000, who did you support?
 
I knew Rehnquist began his career stopping blacks from voting. He had a long,sordid history. Knowing Jeb was in charge in Florida, I was not surprised.

I have to admit John Roberts vote fooled me completely on the Health Care bill. I did not expect that!
 
I was wrong twice recently. The first time was n 2008 when I thought that although I couldn't agree with his liberal politics and didn't vote for him that Obama would be a good President to unite all people of this country regardless of their skin colors. He is not a uniter.

The second time was when I thought that since Obama said he would have the most transparent administration ever that he would. He didn't and hasn't.

All of my most recent errors were when I decided that even though I didn't vote for President Obama that I would believe him. I won't make that mistake again. I believe that we all make mistakes but we should learn from them.

I was correct for not supporting either Al Gore or GW Bush in 2000. Both were proponents of things I do not agree with: big spending, environmental wasteful spending (Gore), wars to spread democracy (Bush). I was correct for not agreeing that we should topple Saddam Hussein in Iraq. That just freed Iran up to mess with us (and did a host of other bad things in the world).

And eeek. I just saw ZamZam's post. I, too, voted for Jimmy Carter in 1976. That was perhaps the biggest mistake of ever.




Who knew you were old enough to remember Carter, let alone vote for him?.....:>)
 
That game was unbelievable. I don't know the name of the Broncos defensive back who let the ball sail over his head, but I imagine he's the Colorado equivalent of Scott Norwood or Bill Buckner.......

I'm a Broncos fan, and for me the coach's name is mud. He made repeated ultra conservative calls that gave the game away. And it's not like he was just "playing the numbers" (taking the statistically correct move, even if it's uninspiring). He was essentially playing them the wrong way. If going for it gave you 60% chance of winning and punting gave you 40%, he'd go for the punt. It was agonizing.
 
I'd be particularly curious to hear who, for example, thought that Bush's tax cuts wouldn't result in massive deficits, who thought invading Iraq could be done at fairly low cost, who thought McCain or Romney would win, and things like that. ....

Umm Arkady, virtually EVERY Conservative or so called Libertarian (actually right wingers in disguise) on this forum were all strong supporters of these policies or actions you ask about.

But they have Right Wing AMNESIA.
 
I have a couple.

1: I thought that America wouldn't re-elect Bush after invading Iraq. Never underestimate the stupidity of the American electorate.

2: I never thought a neophyte like Nerobama would ever get elected. Never underestimate the stupidity of the American electorate.
 
Jen,Al Gore cut wasteful spending in the Government drastically. one of the reasons they balanced the budget. But he was a priggish man,who refused to let Clinton help him. That made the election close enough for Bush to steal
 
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