Will Trump shut down his own government over his "wall" funding?

[sear]

Trump threatens to veto omnibus spending bill over DACA and the border wall
CNBC 46m ago

Unhappy today over lack of border wall funds, Trump threatens veto and government shutdown
In Depth Dallas News (blog) 34m ago

"Drain the swamp"?

Trump campaigned on his promise that:
- Trump would build a wall, &
- Mexico was going to pay for it.

Well, it was a bad idea when Mexico was ostensibly going to pay for it.
It's a horrible idea if the U.S. $tax $payer is going to have to $pay for it.

And now it seems President Trump threatens to shut down his own government, unless his fellow Republicans in congress do Trump's bidding on wall funding.

Will Trump refuse to sign Majority Leader McConnell's & Speaker Ryan's spending bill?

 

[connieb]

Trump threatens to veto omnibus spending bill over DACA and the border wall
CNBC 46m ago

Unhappy today over lack of border wall funds, Trump threatens veto and government shutdown
In Depth Dallas News (blog) 34m ago

"Drain the swamp"?

Trump campaigned on his promise that:
- Trump would build a wall, &
- Mexico was going to pay for it.

Well, it was a bad idea when Mexico was ostensibly going to pay for it.
It's a horrible idea if the U.S. $tax $payer is going to have to $pay for it.

And now it seems President Trump threatens to shut down his own government, unless his fellow Republicans in congress do Trump's bidding on wall funding.

Will Trump refuse to sign Majority Leader McConnell's & Speaker Ryan's spending bill?

Hopefully, yes he will. I doubt that he will actually do it. But he totally and completely SHOULD do it. This bill completely sucks.

 

[sear]

Thanks c #2

And what would you have our president require, before he agree to sign?

 

[connieb]

Thanks c #2

And what would you have our president require, before he agree to sign?

Massive spending cuts to all pork barrel spending, decreases in HUD, Education, Energy and other nonorginalist departments to provide for the increase in military financing, increase in immigration enforcement spending, and spending on the border wall - with a commitment to future spending of at least 20 billion, defunding of all sanctuary cities.

 

[sear]

Nice idea.
I'm not sure it would balance the budget though.

And what would you do about our crumbling infrastructure?

Our bridges are collapsing.
Our water supplies are poisoning our countrymen.

Too bad?
Skroom?

Or should congress consider helping to lift our ostensible first world nation out of these obvious third-world conditions?

Ever been to Europe?
Ever drive the autobahn?
Ever take a close look at any bridge at all in Switzerland?
Any reason you have for thinking the U.S. shouldn't elevate itself to nearer those levels of public safety?

 

[connieb]

Nice idea.
I'm not sure it would balance the budget though.

And what would you do about our crumbling infrastructure?

Our bridges are collapsing.
Our water supplies are poisoning our countrymen.

Too bad?
Skroom?

Or should congress consider helping to lift our ostensible first world nation out of these obvious third-world conditions?

Ever been to Europe?
Ever drive the autobahn?
Ever take a close look at any bridge at all in Switzerland?
Any reason you have for thinking the U.S. shouldn't elevate itself to nearer those levels of public safety?

States and localities are first and foremost responsible for their infrastructure. THEIR failure to plan is no one else's fault. The Gov't should continue to fund the interstate highway system of course, and help in projects that faciliate that system. THAT is the Fed's contribution to infrastructure. Bad Governance should't be bailed out by the rest of us. Assess fees, have tolls, take out bonds - whatever - that is on the localities and states to take on.

 

[sear]

"States and localities are first and foremost responsible for their infrastructure." c #6

To some degree.

BUT !!

The obvious counter-example is federal highway funds.
Yes, sometimes the United States federal government sometimes feeds back some of what the States pay. But often it's with strings attached, for example, the 0.08% BAC standard. Some States wanted to stick to the previous 0.1% standard, but were coerced into surrendering their own preference, for the more punitive federal preference.
AND !!
It seems we're soon to undergo another round of that, with further reduction to the new 0.06% standard.

"THEIR failure to plan is no one else's fault." c #6

Tidy, but gratuitously self-serving.
Perhaps you're not aware that if it were THEIR option to painlessly derive the amount of revenue necessary to install and maintain world-class infrastructure, they'd probably have thought of it themselves. Such revenue simply isn't available in some parts of rural Mississippi.

 

[connieb]

To some degree.

BUT !!

The obvious counter-example is federal highway funds.
Yes, sometimes the United States federal government sometimes feeds back some of what the States pay. But often it's with strings attached, for example, the 0.08% BAC standard. Some States wanted to stick to the previous 0.1% standard, but were coerced into surrendering their own preference, for the more punitive federal preference.
AND !!
It seems we're soon to undergo another round of that, with further reduction to the new 0.06% standard.

Tidy, but gratuitously self-serving.
Perhaps you're not aware that if it were THEIR option to painlessly derive the amount of revenue necessary to install and maintain world-class infrastructure, they'd probably have thought of it themselves. Such revenue simply isn't available in some parts of rural Mississippi.

And thus -aside from the interstate highway system, their infrastructure should reflect their ability/ interest in paying for it. here is the thing - it actually doesn't bother rural people - to drive on dirt roads, stone roads, country roads. That is how they roll. Its the elitists snobs that call it "third world" who aren't willing to accept that. its a good lesson in just letting people be.

Now the highway system is another animal. OTHER places depend on that. Our economy depends on it, and our national defense in large part depends on that. Those structures should be kept up at a shared cost to the states.

 

[Winston]

Trump threatens to veto omnibus spending bill over DACA and the border wall
CNBC 46m ago

Unhappy today over lack of border wall funds, Trump threatens veto and government shutdown
In Depth Dallas News (blog) 34m ago

"Drain the swamp"?

Trump campaigned on his promise that:
- Trump would build a wall, &
- Mexico was going to pay for it.

Well, it was a bad idea when Mexico was ostensibly going to pay for it.
It's a horrible idea if the U.S. $tax $payer is going to have to $pay for it.

And now it seems President Trump threatens to shut down his own government, unless his fellow Republicans in congress do Trump's bidding on wall funding.

Will Trump refuse to sign Majority Leader McConnell's & Speaker Ryan's spending bill?

No need the wall is being built already

 

[Dino]

Trump threatens to veto omnibus spending bill over DACA and the border wall
CNBC 46m ago

Unhappy today over lack of border wall funds, Trump threatens veto and government shutdown
In Depth Dallas News (blog) 34m ago

"Drain the swamp"?

Trump campaigned on his promise that:
- Trump would build a wall, &
- Mexico was going to pay for it.

Well, it was a bad idea when Mexico was ostensibly going to pay for it.
It's a horrible idea if the U.S. $tax $payer is going to have to $pay for it.

And now it seems President Trump threatens to shut down his own government, unless his fellow Republicans in congress do Trump's bidding on wall funding.

Will Trump refuse to sign Majority Leader McConnell's & Speaker Ryan's spending bill?

He’s sold out his country, his party and his promises if he signs it.
Pelosi and co could have written this budget. It should be unacceptable.

 

[sear]

"Now the highway system is another animal. OTHER places depend on that. Our economy depends on it, and our national defense in large part depends on that. Those structures should be kept up at a shared cost to the states." c #8

I surely don't deny your sharp points about economy & national defense.

BUT !!

Our national defense also depends on intelligent citizens to populate our professional armed services. And neuro-toxic heavy metals reportedly can degrade mental ability.
So Lead in our drinking water is a threat to U.S. national security.

"He’s sold out his country, his party and his promises if he signs it." D #10

A "Hobson's choice" perhaps.