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Wow....

Since he's suggesting a drone strike, he seems to think the President is not above doing that sort of thing.

He may have a point.
 
... If essentially urging the murder of a fellow journalist won't get you fired, what will?

http://www.salon.com/2013/08/18/times_michael_grunwald_tweets_for_assanges_death/

Unbelievable. Like the author of this piece, I have no love for Assange. I think rather than the altruistic motives he proclaims he is definitely motivated by other factors. BUT - that doesn't change the fact that people like Assange perform an essential role in society. They speak out consistently against the Government. What the hell has happened to this country when we no longer think that is a good thing? Its a very good thing. Letting people know what their Government is doing to them - is a VERY good thing.

Maybe, Arkady, this is the result of the stripping or rights away as you discussed last week.

connie
 
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Saying the "N" word.
Kind of funny, when you think about it. I avoid that word when I can do so without it sounding too ridiculous, because I know many people find it deeply offensive for reasons that are strongly justified by history. But in the array of legal-buthorrifying first amendment uses, using that most offensive of slang words bothers me a whole lot less than a journalist expressing eagerness to justify the murder of a fellow journalist by the government.
 
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Unbelievable. Like the author of this piece, I have no love for Assange. I think rather than the altruistic motives he proclaims he is definitely motivated by other factors. BUT - that doesn't change the fact that people like Assange perform an essential role in society. They speak out consistently against the Government. What the hell has happened to this country when we no longer think that is a good thing? Its a very good thing. Letting people know what their Government is doing to them - is a VERY good thing.

Maybe, Arkady, this is the result of the stripping or rights away as you discussed last week.

connie
Yep. This goes so far beyond where I thought we'd ever be in my lifetime. Even if someone dislikes Assange, as you do -- even if, unlike you, a person denies people like Assange are serving any useful purpose to society, even if a person sees them as criminals who should be brought to justice, the idea of applauding their extra-judicial killing (read: applauding their murder by the government) is STILL repulsive. This is about three steps beyond where I thought we'd be.

I think that people are naturally sheep-like, and so getting them to stand up against authority figures takes an extraordinary effort to raise them up with a sense of idealism and civic virtue. I think we used to do that. For all our deep faults as a nation -- falling short of our own ideals-- we at least tried to educate the younger generation with a sense of what it meant to live in a nation where citizens had inalienable rights and were expected to defend them. I think that when you instead raise generations of kids to think that their job is to pee into a cup or open their backpack any time someone in authority wants to pry, you can a regression into that sheep-like state.
 
Maybe, Arkady, this is the result of the stripping or rights away as you discussed last week.

connie

Less freedom is a prerequisite for big govt as they go hand-in-hand.

Big govt requires big regulations and as big govt consumes everything,, the only freedom you're left with is the right to do-as-your-told.
 
Less freedom is a prerequisite for big govt as they go hand-in-hand.

Big govt requires big regulations and as big govt consumes everything,, the only freedom you're left with is the right to do-as-your-told.
Big business and big government can both stamp your rights out. Big business can actually do so much more efficiently, since you have almost no right there to begin with (call the president a jackass and he can't throw you out of the country, but call your company's CEO a jackass and he can sure as hell throw you out of the company). Big government is a check and balance against the power of big business, and if we balance them properly, we can have more freedom.

Anyway, if you want to go back in time to a period when people had VASTLY less freedom, check out the Middle Ages. Yet, in any meaningful sense, government was also vastly smaller at the time. So, the notion that the growth of government necessarily means the shrinking of freedom doesn't hold up to historical scrutiny. Very small governments can still be very aggressive in stripping freedoms.
 
Big business and big government can both stamp your rights out. Big business can actually do so much more efficiently,

Big Business can't seize my property/seize my children/ and SWAT TEAM me for not buying their product or services, unless of course said business OWNS the govt and gets special interest laws passed forcing me to buy from them..(aka ObamaCare).

Then again, business have to have balanced budgets and follow standard accounting practices, something Uncle Sam Capone is incapable of doing.

Most importantly, if I don't like a business product and service, I can buy somewhere else, UNLIKE our crony democratic fascist monopoly system where a FALSE CHOICE of two Government Management Teams..BOTH OWNED BY THE TPTB is the only choice available.
 
Assange is the other side of the Rush Limbaugh coin. He does and says things that most people have the requisite honor to not do or say. And for that, he's hailed as some sort of hero.

Whatever.....I never shouted that Limbaugh should be kilt, so I won't be shouting that Assange should be kilt.
 
Assange is the other side of the Rush Limbaugh coin. He does and says things that most people have the requisite honor to not do or say. And for that, he's hailed as some sort of hero.

Whatever.....I never shouted that Limbaugh should be kilt, so I won't be shouting that Assange should be kilt.
What, in particular, has Assange done or said that you consider dishonorable?
 
I notice the usual cadre of liberal apologists and Obama Human Shields are staying away from this thread in droves. Now that Grunwald has said what they're all thinking, and been publicly shamed for it, is it time for a little backtracking?
 
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