Wrong Man Executed...

[connieb]

I think there should be higher standards for the evidence used in a death penalty case. But, some people deserve to die for their crimes. Those people in Connecticut I think who during a home invasion raped and murdered the mother and daughter and set the house on fire.. yep, death too good for them. The sniper killer in MD and VA a few years back - yep deserved to fry. Thank you VA for getting the job done that MD couldn't. Ted Bundy..... yep - electricity well spent.

BUT - it is applied unfairly, no doubt. And, people are convicted of capital crimes on too little evidence and it disproportionaly affects the poor and minorities, primarily because of the lack of access to adequate counsel. There is a real problem there that we need to address. And, I don't think a sentence by 12 fairly average people should be enough to hand down that sentence. I don't think that it should be left up to a single judge with re-election on his mind either. Perhaps we need death penalty cases reviewed throughly by experienced, independent prosecutors and defense attorney's.

 

[Craig]

As long as it's not a middle class or wealthy white person...I think a good hunk of the Right is in the "Well, they were probably guilty of SOMETHING" category and have no problem with "a few mistakes".

Yeah...we're ALL sinners, so hey...what's a few erroneous deaths committed in haste...it's uh..."win win"...

:noidea:

 

[GordonGecko]

Yeah...we're ALL sinners, so hey...what's a few erroneous deaths committed in haste...it's uh..."win win"...

:noidea:

If the wrong "pro-lifer" were executed for killing an abortion-providing doctor....THEN they'd be outraged.

 

[Craig]

I think there should be higher standards for the evidence used in a death penalty case. But, some people deserve to die for their crimes. Those people in Connecticut I think who during a home invasion raped and murdered the mother and daughter and set the house on fire.. yep, death too good for them. The sniper killer in MD and VA a few years back - yep deserved to fry. Thank you VA for getting the job done that MD couldn't. Ted Bundy..... yep - electricity well spent.

BUT - it is applied unfairly, no doubt. And, people are convicted of capital crimes on too little evidence and it disproportionaly affects the poor and minorities, primarily because of the lack of access to adequate counsel. There is a real problem there that we need to address. And, I don't think a sentence by 12 fairly average people should be enough to hand down that sentence. I don't think that it should be left up to a single judge with re-election on his mind either. Perhaps we need death penalty cases reviewed throughly by experienced, independent prosecutors and defense attorney's.

I disagree. We need to end the death penalty. "Deserved to fry" is a statement based in revenge, not justice. MD found Muhammed...tried him, and found him guilty on 6 counts of murder...They got the job done.

 

[connieb]

Yes, revenge for what he did to his innocent victims. Some children. Justice is part and parcel with revenge.

 

[Craig]

Yes, revenge for what he did to his innocent victims. Some children. Justice is part and parcel with revenge.

I appreciate your honesty. Few actually state that revenge is a motive. Won't bring anybody back though.

 

[ya-ta-hey]

I suggest you're trying to lessen the horror of an execution for no reason. Lose lose...

Mr. Craig,

You can't cry over spilt milk, my friend. No guaruntee this guy did do the crime since we're only going on the word of Monday morning quarterbacks.

You should be happy that justice was served on the guy you think did the murder, I, that justice was served on the one who did.

 

[ya-ta-hey]

Are you condoning or excusing the execution of an innocent man? It sure seems that way.

Mr. Gaffer,

who says he's innocent. Twelve thoughtful peers who were actually there at the trial and heard the evidence say he wasn't.

 

[GordonGecko]

Mr. Craig,

You can't cry over spilt milk, my friend. No guaruntee this guy did do the crime since we're only going on the word of Monday morning quarterbacks.

You should be happy that justice was served on the guy you think did the murder, I, that justice was served on the one who did.

So IGNORE that an innocent man may have been executed...because the actual guilty party died???

 

[NinaS]

Mr. Craig,

On the plus side, the supposed real kill, Hernandez, died in prison. I calls that justice served, would not you?[/QUOTE

Sorry, no. I do not consider the execution the wrong man justice. The fact that Hernandez also was later killed in no way mollifies the horror of the execution of DeLuna.

That's the typical mind set of the con. If it's not them or theirs..then a life means squat. Just like in the Trayvon Martin MURDER. Just because Zimmerman "didn't know whether or not the kid had a weapon (which I find odd since he supposedly was right on top of him when shot) it means squat that a young life was ended for naught. Odd how the "Christian" right seem to have no empathy for others. (unless it's the unborn and then that is obviously just partisan spin)

 

[Craig]

Mr. Craig,

You can't cry over spilt milk, my friend. No guaruntee this guy did do the crime since we're only going on the word of Monday morning quarterbacks.

You should be happy that justice was served on the guy you think did the murder, I, that justice was served on the one who did.

I'll decide what I'm happy happy about. I'm far more upset a man who did not commit the crime was executed for it than I am delighted the one who did the crime later died. It is a vile use of state force and you are simply telling folks to get over it.

OK...tell you what. You offer up any one (1) of your immediate family members for such false death penalty...and I'll let it go. Deal?

 

[ya-ta-hey]

So IGNORE that an innocent man may have been executed...because the actual guilty party died???

Mr. Gecko,

Who says an innocent man may have been executed? I was simply trying to make Craig feel better that the one he thought did the crime died.

 

[LeRoy_Was_Here]

NinaS: Odd how the "Christian" right seem to have no empathy for others. (unless it's the unborn and then that is obviously just partisan spin)

LeRoy: And don't forget the stem cells! George W CRIED for the stem cells!!

 

[ya-ta-hey]

I'll decide what I'm happy happy about. I'm far more upset a man who did not commit the crime was executed for it than I am delighted the one who did the crime later died. It is a vile use of state force and you are simply telling folks to get over it.

OK...tell you what. You offer up any one (1) of your immediate family members for such false death penalty...and I'll let it go. Deal?

Mr. Craig,

I just saying obsessing over something that you have no power to change is an unhealthy habit. And since people in my family are not criminals, they don't get themselves into situations like you suggest ever would come up, so that is hardly a deal.

 

[LeRoy_Was_Here]

Ya-Ta-Hey: Since people in my family are not criminals....

LeRoy: Well, how do we know that? They certainly look like criminals to me....

 

[ya-ta-hey]

Ya-Ta-Hey: Since people in my family are not criminals....

LeRoy: Well, how do we know that? They certainly look like criminals to me....

Mr. Leroy,

You mean by the way they are law abiding?

LOL, sorry to ruin what you thought was a witty retort, but seriously, it wasn't much of one and far from witty, would you not say?

 

[Craig]

Mr. Craig,

I just saying obsessing over something that you have no power to change is an unhealthy habit. And since people in my family are not criminals, they don't get themselves into situations like you suggest ever would come up, so that is hardly a deal.

I'm not obsessing. I'm anti death penalty...and this case shows why.

I don't know your family isn't criminals. I don't know they aren't guilty of the same crimes the wrongly executed man was...Indeed, I assume your family, like all families, has broken a law or two. That's good enough for me...so...offer one up for wrongful execution...and we're good.

 

[LeRoy_Was_Here]

Apparently, you are not aware of this, so I am glad to be the one to let you know: Down through history, LOTS of innocent people have been arrested, for crimes that they did not commit. Your notion that this could NEVER happen to ANYONE in your family is, well, just stupid.

Interesting, but stupid.

 

[Craig]

Apparently, you are not aware of this, so I am glad to be the one to let you know: Down through history, LOTS of innocent people have been arrested, for crimes that they did not commit. Your notion that this could NEVER happen to ANYONE in your family is, well, just stupid.

Interesting, but stupid.

Channeling Arte Johnson?



[video=youtube;QczyNaIu9Mo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QczyNaIu9Mo[/video]

 

[ya-ta-hey]

Apparently, you are not aware of this, so I am glad to be the one to let you know: Down through history, LOTS of innocent people have been arrested, for crimes that they did not commit. Your notion that this could NEVER happen to ANYONE in your family is, well, just stupid.

Interesting, but stupid.

Mr. Leroy,

Though history, yes, but thankfully, we have a system of law and appeal that makes that possibility nearly nil.