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Tom Brady earned his team a Super Bowl victory - with an asterisk:

Tom Brady: Unbelievable.


The 243-page report on "Deflategate" came out Wednesday and stopped barely short of calling the Patriots star quarterback a cheater. It did, however, call some of his claims "implausible" and left little doubt that he had a role in having footballs deflated before New England's AFC title game against Indianapolis in January and probably in previous games.


In his report, attorney Ted Wells said the quarterback "was at least generally aware" of all the plans to prepare the balls to his liking, below the league-mandated minimum of 12.5 pounds per square inch. Wells said it was "more probable than not" that two Patriots employees - officials' locker room attendant Jim McNally and equipment assistant John Jastremski - executed the plan.


For his trouble, McNally asked for expensive shoes and signed footballs, jerseys and cash. He brokered the deals over a series of salty text messages with Jastremski that portray Brady as a hard-to-please taskmaster. "F--- Tom," one read.


For the biggest home game of the season, McNally came through, taking the footballs from the officials' locker room into a bathroom before delivering them to the field, the report said.


The footballs - measured by officials at halftime- somehow lost pressure between being tested by the referee and the break.


As for Brady's claims that he didn't know of efforts to deflate game balls and didn't know anything about what McNally did: "We found these claims not plausible and contradicted by other evidence," Wells wrote.

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Are deflated footballs the end-of-the-world? No. Is it cheating? Yes - And for the New England Patriots, it's not the first time they've been down that road. Legacy officially tarnished. Sad.

The good news is, with ethics like that, should Brady retire, he is sure to have a job waiting for him at the Clinton Foundation*.



*According to Charity Navigator, not a charity.
 
The Lions had a good year...but got slaughtered by the Patriots! Makes you wonder how many times he did this. Well, I should say he did since it isn't proven, but it sure looks like it. I hope if they find him guilty he gets fined big time and removed in shame!
 
There's a big difference between what you know and what you can prove......which is why there aren't more politicians in prison. Tom Brady might not even be so much as fined, but he'll never be looked upon in quite the same way either.
 
It is true that Brady prefers footballs slightly deflated. It is also true that as a professional quarterback you should be able to pick up just about any football and tell if it is inflated correctly. As for Brady being involved directly in this episode, I seriously doubt he was, he may have known about it but I do not believe he was directly involved. Was he cheating, yes of course he was, and if he knew the footballs were under inflated he should have brought that to the attention of an official on the field of play immediately.

To be sure the NFL will take disciplinary action against the Patriots as well as Tom Brady as they should. But Tom Brady does not need deflated footballs to win games, he is a premier quarterback and has proven himself many, many times. Did he make a mistake, yes he did, but his mistake was in poor judgement and not being directly involved in the act of deflating these footballs. Again, was he cheating, Yes he was, but many players cheat during games and if you are an avid football fan and watch the games you have seen it with your own two eyes. I do not think this is a very serious incident, it will pass, and Tom Brady will go to the Football Hall of Fame despite this incident.
 
American Patriot said:
It is true that Brady prefers footballs slightly deflated. It is also true that as a professional quarterback you should be able to pick up just about any football and tell if it is inflated correctly. As for Brady being involved directly in this episode, I seriously doubt he was, he may have known about it but I do not believe he was directly involved. Was he cheating, yes of course he was, and if he knew the footballs were under inflated he should have brought that to the attention of an official on the field of play immediately.

To be sure the NFL will take disciplinary action against the Patriots as well as Tom Brady as they should. But Tom Brady does not need deflated footballs to win games, he is a premier quarterback and has proven himself many, many times. Did he make a mistake, yes he did, but his mistake was in poor judgement and not being directly involved in the act of deflating these footballs. Again, was he cheating, Yes he was, but many players cheat during games and if you are an avid football fan and watch the games you have seen it with your own two eyes. I do not think this is a very serious incident, it will pass, and Tom Brady will go to the Football Hall of Fame despite this incident.
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I think if he knew about it and said nothing, then he was directly involved. Just because he didn't deflate the balls himself doesn't make him any less guilty. I'm sure many do cheat, but if they get caught they need to pay for it.
 
American Patriot said:
It is true that Brady prefers footballs slightly deflated. It is also true that as a professional quarterback you should be able to pick up just about any football and tell if it is inflated correctly. As for Brady being involved directly in this episode, I seriously doubt he was, he may have known about it but I do not believe he was directly involved. Was he cheating, yes of course he was, and if he knew the footballs were under inflated he should have brought that to the attention of an official on the field of play immediately.

To be sure the NFL will take disciplinary action against the Patriots as well as Tom Brady as they should. But Tom Brady does not need deflated footballs to win games, he is a premier quarterback and has proven himself many, many times. Did he make a mistake, yes he did, but his mistake was in poor judgement and not being directly involved in the act of deflating these footballs. Again, was he cheating, Yes he was, but many players cheat during games and if you are an avid football fan and watch the games you have seen it with your own two eyes. I do not think this is a very serious incident, it will pass, and Tom Brady will go to the Football Hall of Fame despite this incident.
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I have no doubt that Tom Brady is Canton-bound. I also have no doubt this affects his reputation and legacy, and is another black eye for the Patriots. The sad part is, there really was no good reason to cheat - the Colts really never had much of a chance in 2015 to beat a veteran Patriots team.
 
my suggested penalty -

make brady (the entire patriots team, actually) play the 2015 season with a severely OVER inflated football, whenever its their possession. Their opponents can still use a legal ball.

Next season (2016) if they don't break any more rules, the patriots can use a regulation ball again.

fair enough?
 
Zam-Zam said:
I have no doubt that Tom Brady is Canton-bound. I also have no doubt this affects his reputation and legacy, and is another black eye for the Patriots. The sad part is, there really was no good reason to cheat - the Colts really never had much of a chance in 2015 to beat a veteran Patriots team.
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It'll affect his legacy, but probably not that much. Cheating for an edge in sports is so commonplace that I don't think people think much about it. Take just about any championship team and you'll find examples of cheaters. I'm a Broncos fan, so I can speak to that one. As I recall, when they won back-to-back championships, Bill Romanowski was using banned performance-enhancing drugs, and Shanahan was fined for not complying with league rules about listing player injuries (which gave the Broncos an unfair competitive edge by depriving opponents the chance to game-plan to take advantage of a hampered player or understaffed position). There was also the time that the Broncos were accused of having their groundskeepers intentionally over-water the field, to make it a slow surface, which made it easier to deal with the Raiders, who were stacked with speedy receivers the Broncos DBs couldn't keep up with. You hear stories of teams piping stadium noise through the speaker systems to make it harder to audible, or intentionally shutting down the heating in the visitor's locker room to mess with their heads, and then there are the players with stickum on their hands, or DEs who smear vaseline on their jerseys to slide by offensive linemen, or signing some scrub off the waiver wire just ahead of a game because he was on the opponent's team recently and you can pump him for playbook cues and inside info.
 
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Arkady said:
It'll affect his legacy, but probably not that much. Cheating for an edge in sports is so commonplace that I don't think people think much about it. Take just about any championship team and you'll find examples of cheaters. I'm a Broncos fan, so I can speak to that one. As I recall, when they won back-to-back championships, Bill Romanowski was using banned performance-enhancing drugs, and Shanahan was fined for not complying with league rules about listing player injuries (which gave the Broncos an unfair competitive edge by depriving opponents the chance to game-plan to take advantage of a hampered player or understaffed position). There was also the time that the Broncos were accused of having their groundskeepers intentionally over-water the field, to make it a slow surface, which made it easier to deal with the Raiders, who were stacked with speedy receivers the Broncos DBs couldn't keep up with. You hear stories of teams piping stadium noise through the speaker systems to make it harder to audible, or intentionally shutting down the heating in the visitor's locker room to mess with their heads, and then there are the players with stickum on their hands, or DBs who smear vaseline on their jerseys to slide by offensive linemen, or signing some scrub off the waiver wire just ahead of a game because he was on the opponent's team recently and you can pump him for playbook cues and inside info.
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In baseball, the big deal was "steroids"...but before that, it was cocaine...and before that, dexedrine. Corked bats, spitballs...it goes on and on.

Competition often brings out the worst in folks.
 
Zam-Zam said:
They labeled it as an "atypical business model" and declined to evaluate it as a charity.

Your apology accepted.
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You must remember that PJ lefty is bought and paid for by the DNC. We must forgive their zealotry.
 
Zam-Zam said:
I hold no grudges. I'm just trying to set the record straight.
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I understand. I was just explaining that many folks here are heavily vested in a narrative of unique virtue of one side over the unique banality of the other. It has reached cartoonish proportions.

Some try to conceal it by making very occasional, tiny, infinitesimal observation of blemish, but it's obvious nonetheless.

The Patriots cheating thing bugs me. Not because it shocks me that teams/athletes would cheat, but because sports is one of the things I turn to when I want escape from the garbage of this world - especially from unethical and dishonest pols.

I'm more of a college sports guy, though.
 
Zam-Zam said:
I have no doubt that Tom Brady is Canton-bound. I also have no doubt this affects his reputation and legacy, and is another black eye for the Patriots. The sad part is, there really was no good reason to cheat - the Colts really never had much of a chance in 2015 to beat a veteran Patriots team.
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Agreed, the Colts laid down for the Pats, probably a hangover from playing so well against the Broncos the week before.

However, my question is about the Divisional playoff game for the Patriots. In case you don't remember, they squeaked by the Ravens 38-35, and I even noticed during the game how hard Brady was rocketing 2-3 yard passes into the hands of his receivers, and was amazed at how these guys were catching these laser beams. I was saying during the game that the Patriots receivers have the best hands in the NFL. Well, a deflated ball certainly helps in that department.

I think the Ravens game is the ticket, and was won by deflated balls (insert joke here). Baltimore should feel cheated, and Brady should be labeled as someone without the moral compass to follow the rules.

Guarantee you Peyton Manning never participated in anything like that. He actually has class.
 
Mr. Friscus said:
Agreed, the Colts laid down for the Pats, probably a hangover from playing so well against the Broncos the week before.

However, my question is about the Divisional playoff game for the Patriots. In case you don't remember, they squeaked by the Ravens 38-35, and I even noticed during the game how hard Brady was rocketing 2-3 yard passes into the hands of his receivers, and was amazed at how these guys were catching these laser beams. I was saying during the game that the Patriots receivers have the best hands in the NFL. Well, a deflated ball certainly helps in that department.

I think the Ravens game is the ticket, and was won by deflated balls (insert joke here). Baltimore should feel cheated, and Brady should be labeled as someone without the moral compass to follow the rules.

Guarantee you Peyton Manning never participated in anything like that. He actually has class.
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The cover-up may be the bigger deal than the actual act. If Brady would admitted to this early on, this would have blown over by now. Instead he chose the Bill Clinton path of righteous indignation, with the same result.
 
Caroljo said:
The Lions had a good year...but got slaughtered by the Patriots! Makes you wonder how many times he did this. Well, I should say he did since it isn't proven, but it sure looks like it. I hope if they find him guilty he gets fined big time and removed in shame!
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I am sure he did it throughout the season.
 
Zam-Zam said:
The good news is, with ethics like that, should Brady retire, he is sure to have a job waiting for him at the Clinton Foundation*.



*According to Charity Navigator, not a charity.
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You must mean with the Koch brothers; politically and ethically that would make sense.
 
Mr. Friscus said:
Agreed, the Colts laid down for the Pats, probably a hangover from playing so well against the Broncos the week before.

However, my question is about the Divisional playoff game for the Patriots. In case you don't remember, they squeaked by the Ravens 38-35, and I even noticed during the game how hard Brady was rocketing 2-3 yard passes into the hands of his receivers, and was amazed at how these guys were catching these laser beams. I was saying during the game that the Patriots receivers have the best hands in the NFL. Well, a deflated ball certainly helps in that department.

I think the Ravens game is the ticket, and was won by deflated balls (insert joke here). Baltimore should feel cheated, and Brady should be labeled as someone without the moral compass to follow the rules.

Guarantee you Peyton Manning never participated in anything like that. He actually has class.
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We do feel cheated, trust me.

I will also say this attitude that people are displaying that cheating is no big deal and everyone does it - is so wrong, I barely have words to describe it.

THAT attitude is what is wrong with this unethical, anything goes society. Where not only do people cheat -but when they get caught cheating it is rationalized away by everyone. It is wrong. Dishonesty is WRONG. It is wrong all the time. And not only should we hold others to that standard, we should hold that standard for ourselves. And anyone who brushes this under the rug, should be ashamed of themselves. Its not about the stupid game or the integrity of the game. It is about the integrity of the individual and how we have lost that. And, with it, something every vital and necessary.

connie
 
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