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Rand Paul thwarting the authoritarians...

zzigzzag said:
Bernie Sanders has a better chance.

The "terra" Rand is "stomping" is his own party and their leadership....not the road to the White House.
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If people really really really want change, Rand Paul and Bernie Sanders represent real change. Paul's is a path to more freedom, stronger personal liberties and a better economy. Bernie's is a path to Venezuela. I know which way I'd rather go...
 
Lukey said:
If people really really really want change, Rand Paul and Bernie Sanders represent real change. Paul's is a path to more freedom, stronger personal liberties and a better economy. Bernie's is a path to Venezuela. I know which way I'd rather go...
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Bullshit. He just wants government to stop impeding the plutocrats while they plunder the environment. His path leads to Beijing.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/heather-taylormiesle/rand-paul-and-the-big-pol_b_7183532.html

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zzigzzag said:
Bullshit. He just wants government to stop impeding the plutocrats while they plunder the environment. His path leads to Beijing.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/heather-taylormiesle/rand-paul-and-the-big-pol_b_7183532.html

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That, quite frankly, is the "bullshit."

http://www.paul.senate.gov/news/pre...fense-of-environment-and-property-act-of-2015

He is simply against ever bigger government in control of ever more of the economy. That doesn't mean he is "pro" pollution. There's better ways to deal with the issue, as his proposal suggests.

This meme of yours is just part of the left's fear and loathing of the free market capitalism inherent in libertarianism. And it is as intellectually bankrupt as the notion we get from you guys that Somalia is a "libertarian paradise." More bullshit - Somalia is a failed socialist state. You guys have to get a better patter because this "libertarian boogy man" argument is starting to be seen as the comical canard that it is.
 
Lukey said:
If people really really really want change, Rand Paul and Bernie Sanders represent real change. Paul's is a path to more freedom, stronger personal liberties and a better economy. Bernie's is a path to Venezuela. I know which way I'd rather go...
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Like the freedom to refuse to have black people eat in your restaurant or stay in your hotel?
 
Lukey said:
That, quite frankly, is the "bullshit."

http://www.paul.senate.gov/news/pre...fense-of-environment-and-property-act-of-2015

He is simply against ever bigger government in control of ever more of the economy. That doesn't mean he is "pro" pollution. There's better ways to deal with the issue, as his proposal suggests.

This meme of yours is just part of the left's fear and loathing of the free market capitalism inherent in libertarianism. And it is as intellectually bankrupt as the notion we get from you guys that Somalia is a "libertarian paradise." More bullshit - Somalia is a failed socialist state. You guys have to get a better patter because this "libertarian boogy man" argument is starting to be seen as the comical canard that it is.
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Paul's bill would allow you to use whatever poison you want on your own land....even if that ends up in the wells of your neighbors....since their drinking water would not be "navigable"....and you see that as a reasonable standard?
 
Lukey said:
If people really really really want change, Rand Paul and Bernie Sanders represent real change. Paul's is a path to more freedom, stronger personal liberties and a better economy. Bernie's is a path to Venezuela. I know which way I'd rather go...
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Agreed, however I think human nature is to roll the dice on the "tried and true", meaning they'll vote for less controversial candidates.

Better for Libertarians to focus on smaller or local elections such as city councils, state representatives and Congressional Representatives before expending an entire treasure chest on the Brass Ring.
 
Lukey said:
That, quite frankly, is the "bullshit."

http://www.paul.senate.gov/news/pre...fense-of-environment-and-property-act-of-2015

He is simply against ever bigger government in control of ever more of the economy. That doesn't mean he is "pro" pollution. There's better ways to deal with the issue, as his proposal suggests.

This meme of yours is just part of the left's fear and loathing of the free market capitalism inherent in libertarianism. And it is as intellectually bankrupt as the notion we get from you guys that Somalia is a "libertarian paradise." More bullshit - Somalia is a failed socialist state. You guys have to get a better patter because this "libertarian boogy man" argument is starting to be seen as the comical canard that it is.
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You have the collectivists in a frenzy. One's playing the "pro-pollution" and "cater to the oligarchs/plutocrats" card while another sprinted straight to the "race card".

The remarkable dishonesty of the left is exceeded only by its lack of imagination.

...must be the pot.
 
RickWA said:
You have the collectivists in a frenzy. One's playing the "pro-pollution" and "cater to the oligarchs/plutocrats" card while another sprinted straight to the "race card".

The remarkable dishonesty of the left is exceeded only by its lack of imagination.

...must be the pot.
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Rand Paul confounds them (and I think scares the heck out of them). He polls really well against Hillary. As he should - a guy who actually demonstrates his stands for less government and more freedom against a gal who stands for absolutely nothing, and shows it every chance she gets.
 
RickWA said:
You have the collectivists in a frenzy. One's playing the "pro-pollution" and "cater to the oligarchs/plutocrats" card while another sprinted straight to the "race card".

The remarkable dishonesty of the left is exceeded only by its lack of imagination.

...must be the pot.
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And he has the insult troll butting in to say nothing about the topic again.

You may cry now. Try, "Oh yeah? You're the troll!" I love that one.
 
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Lukey said:
That, quite frankly, is the "bullshit."

http://www.paul.senate.gov/news/pre...fense-of-environment-and-property-act-of-2015

He is simply against ever bigger government in control of ever more of the economy. That doesn't mean he is "pro" pollution. There's better ways to deal with the issue, as his proposal suggests.

This meme of yours is just part of the left's fear and loathing of the free market capitalism inherent in libertarianism. And it is as intellectually bankrupt as the notion we get from you guys that Somalia is a "libertarian paradise." More bullshit - Somalia is a failed socialist state. You guys have to get a better patter because this "libertarian boogy man" argument is starting to be seen as the comical canard that it is.
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You addressed nothing in the link. I guess calling it a "meme", ignoring it and suggesting that he has offered some tempered "proposal" was the best you could do. If his voting record makes him a "boogy man", so be it. Call it whatever you have to in order to avoid addressing his actual record.

Sen. Paul earned the title of "dirty-air villain" for voting against clean air 100 percent of the time in our WhoVotesDirty.com vote tracker. Among his worst votes, he voted to attack EPA's Clean Power Plan, to block cuts in mercury pollution, and to block standards for dirty boilers and incinerators.Paul hasn't just been a loyal foot soldier, voting in lockstep with the dirty-energy industry that has funded his campaigns to the tune of $235,890. He's been a leader of dangerous efforts to roll back long-overdue clean-air protections, and of efforts to permanently hamstring the government agencies that set standards to protect public

Attempt to Overturn Good Neighbor Rule

In November 2011, Paul led the effort in the Senate to void EPA's Cross-State Air Pollution Rule, which will reduce smog and soot pollution from dirty coal-burning power plants that travels across state lines. If Paul's effort had succeeded, the rule's projected benefits -- preventing up to 34,000 premature deaths and avoiding 15,000 nonfatal heart attacks and 400,000 cases of asthma attacks -- would never have been realized. The $280 billion in annual benefits of the rule outweigh the rule's costs by 116 to 1.

REINS Act

Earlier in 2011, Paul was the Senate sponsor of a bill nicknamed the REINS Act. Rather than target any particular lifesaving regulation, the REINS Act targeted the entire process that produces every lifesaving regulation. The bill would have turned the current regulatory process upside down by allowing a majority in any single chamber of Congress to stop a regulation it didn't like.

Just last week he introduced a new bill that would essentially repeal the Clean Water Act.
 
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zzigzzag said:
You addressed nothing in the link. I guess calling it a "meme", ignoring it and suggesting that he has offered some tempered "proposal" was the best you could do. If his voting record makes him a "boogy man", so be it. Call it whatever you have to in order to avoid addressing his actual record.

Sen. Paul earned the title of "dirty-air villain" for voting against clean air 100 percent of the time in our WhoVotesDirty.com vote tracker. Among his worst votes, he voted to attack EPA's Clean Power Plan, to block cuts in mercury pollution, and to block standards for dirty boilers and incinerators.Paul hasn't just been a loyal foot soldier, voting in lockstep with the dirty-energy industry that has funded his campaigns to the tune of $235,890. He's been a leader of dangerous efforts to roll back long-overdue clean-air protections, and of efforts to permanently hamstring the government agencies that set standards to protect public

Attempt to Overturn Good Neighbor Rule

In November 2011, Paul led the effort in the Senate to void EPA's Cross-State Air Pollution Rule, which will reduce smog and soot pollution from dirty coal-burning power plants that travels across state lines. If Paul's effort had succeeded, the rule's projected benefits -- preventing up to 34,000 premature deaths and avoiding 15,000 nonfatal heart attacks and 400,000 cases of asthma attacks -- would never have been realized. The $280 billion in annual benefits of the rule outweigh the rule's costs by 116 to 1.

REINS Act

Earlier in 2011, Paul was the Senate sponsor of a bill nicknamed the REINS Act. Rather than target any particular lifesaving regulation, the REINS Act targeted the entire process that produces every lifesaving regulation. The bill would have turned the current regulatory process upside down by allowing a majority in any single chamber of Congress to stop a regulation it didn't like.

Just last week he introduced a new bill that would essentially repeal the Clean Water Act.
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He hasn't voted against "clean air." He has voted against ever bigger government exerting ever more control over the economy via ever more useless regulation that (typically) just makes our economy less efficient than the ones we compete with in the world markets. And, hahahahaha, "every life saving regulation?" Give me a break! Most of government regs, including (perhaps especially) those the left has deemed "life saving" are really just anti-capitalism dressed up in a faux cloak of "safety." We're done playing your games with the economy. We frigging need jobs, man...
 
Lukey said:
He hasn't voted against "clean air." He has voted against ever bigger government exerting ever more control over the economy via ever more useless regulation that (typically) just makes our economy less efficient than the ones we compete with in the world markets. And, hahahahaha, "every life saving regulation?" Give me a break! Most of government regs, including (perhaps especially) those the left has deemed "life saving" are really just anti-capitalism dressed up in a faux cloak of "safety." We're done playing your games with the economy. We frigging need jobs, man...
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US unemployment hits record lows since GFC

According to the latest Non-farm payroll report on Friday, 295,000 people got jobs in February, shocking the global markets as the average forecast sat only at 235,000. Considering the recent severe cold storm in the Northeast, the result is unbelievably great. The Dollar Index surged to 97.70 after the release as all major peers surrendered in front of the unparalleled strength of the US Dollar. Now, it seems like Fed officials have no reason to delay the rate hike as the unemployment rate has also fallen to 5.5%, reaching the long-term unemployment rate target set by FOMC. It is the first time since the financial crisis.

http://www.fxstreet.com/analysis/forex-market-report/2015/03/08/

Now, go to Zerohedge or Weaselzippers for your alternate reality "indicators".
 
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zzigzzag said:
US unemployment hits record lows since GFC

According to the latest Non-farm payroll report on Friday, 295,000 people got jobs in February, shocking the global markets as the average forecast sat only at 235,000. Considering the recent severe cold storm in the Northeast, the result is unbelievably great. The Dollar Index surged to 97.70 after the release as all major peers surrendered in front of the unparalleled strength of the US Dollar. Now, it seems like Fed officials have no reason to delay the rate hike as the unemployment rate has also fallen to 5.5%, reaching the long-term unemployment rate target set by FOMC. It is the first time since the financial crisis.

http://www.fxstreet.com/analysis/forex-market-report/2015/03/08/

Now, go to Zerohedge or Weaselzippers for your alternate reality "indicators".
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We've been around and around this mulberry bush and the facts are still the facts - job creation during the Obama "recovery" is substandard by virtually every measure (save, of course, the "unemployment" rate which has declined due to ten million people leaving the work force because there just aren't enough jobs for them - but that never stops you from hyping the meme that we're swimming in employment strength).

Some facts - hedonics and "seasonal" adjustments make these reports complete bullshit. If job creation was really that strong for that long wages would be going up (and they are not). I know you're a big fan of "official" government statistics, being a good sheeple and all, but I have to tell you that the bureaucrats, if not lying by design, do so through incompetence:

http://www.smarteranalyst.com/2015/05/22/top-3-economic-lies-of-the-u-s/

http://www.ijreview.com/2015/05/317...ly/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

And just for the record, the stock market gains aren't "proof" of a true, robust recovery:

http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/wall-street-r-i-p-the-bubble-is-dying-at-the-zero-bound/
 
Lukey said:
He hasn't voted against "clean air." He has voted against ever bigger government exerting ever more control over the economy via ever more useless regulation that (typically) just makes our economy less efficient than the ones we compete with in the world markets. And, hahahahaha, "every life saving regulation?" Give me a break! Most of government regs, including (perhaps especially) those the left has deemed "life saving" are really just anti-capitalism dressed up in a faux cloak of "safety." We're done playing your games with the economy. We frigging need jobs, man...
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When he voted against regulations that would have an impact on cross border air pollution he did exactly that. I'd bet the Koch brothers are supporting Paul...they've been trying to kill off EPA interference in their businesses for years. They want to be free to pollute the air and water around their refineries....I'm sure that will make them so much more efficient.
 
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Lukey said:
We've been around and around this mulberry bush and the facts are still the facts - job creation during the Obama "recovery" is substandard by virtually every measure (save, of course, the "unemployment" rate which has declined due to ten million people leaving the work force because there just aren't enough jobs for them - but that never stops you from hyping the meme that we're swimming in employment strength).

Some facts - hedonics and "seasonal" adjustments make these reports complete bullshit. If job creation was really that strong for that long wages would be going up (and they are not). I know you're a big fan of "official" government statistics, being a good sheeple and all, but I have to tell you that the bureaucrats, if not lying by design, do so through incompetence:

http://www.smarteranalyst.com/2015/05/22/top-3-economic-lies-of-the-u-s/

http://www.ijreview.com/2015/05/317...ly/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

And just for the record, the stock market gains aren't "proof" of a true, robust recovery:

http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/wall-street-r-i-p-the-bubble-is-dying-at-the-zero-bound/
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That may be the most oblivious, self-defeating statement I've ever seen out of you.

Thanks for the chuckle.

Posting Zerohedge again via an even more discredited source is a nice touch, though. One with some kid named "Bubba" in charge of the blog whose only brag is that he has a degree in accounting from the College of Charleston....whatever the hell that is.

http://about.ijreview.com/team/

Aaaahhhh....here we go:

On March 19, 1785, the College of Charleston was chartered to "encourage and institute youth in the several branches of liberal education."

Hahahahahahaha!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_of_Charleston
 
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